I often have very deep and spiritual talks with my dad. Recently we talked about "feeling alone as a soul". When I mentionned to my dad that, on a higher level, I sometimes feel alone and clueless, he said: "But you have me...and mom, and your sister right?" I replied, that on a higher level,.. he is not my dad... my mom is not my mom... but basically "just" another soul, trying to find out what it is he or she is supposed to learn in this life.

We all do our thing every day. Some people are more focussed on carreers, others on raising their kids, others on gaining wealth or perhaps power. Whatever the reason is for each and every one of us to "chase" after what it is we find important in this life, I often look or feel beyond that,..and who it is I want have become by the time it is time for me to "go back" again.

My intention is not to discuss the "Why are we here" or "What is the meaning of life" topics, but I would like to know wether people "feel" beyond their "life" at times and "feel like a soul" on this planet.

Perhaps it sounds crazy, perhaps you are an atheist and you believe there is nothing after this life... That is fine too. I respect your opinion, whatever it is. I am just curious as to WHAT your opinion is. Anyone?

billyjackbitch said:

Your Dad's words are deep, very metaphysical. I subscribe to similar philosophies. However, it's difficult to attain such higher states of consciousness to become one with that notion, esp. in the methods and surroundings we (society) live today.

senik said:

Yeah, I hear what you're saying. My dad is the only one who can accompany me to that level, when we so happen to have a deep conversation.

Yet he often says: "I have spend time thinking about that, but I have never gone as deep as you are rightnow. Interesting."

Which is why we have such special bond. He doesn't always agree with me, but always tries to c my point of view and either learn from it as an equal or just accept the fact that we are not agreeing. But never telling me it is a load of crap.

But yeah... it is not something that keeps me busy 24/7, however sometimes when I spend time with my Self on purpose, I do tend to look at other people as "just any other soul" who chose to experience this life at this present time and who will go back eventually, just like me.

And when it comes to that... it is solely up to you. Nobody can help you there. You are born alone (soul and body are connected and live in this life)
You die alone (body is worn out and the soul decides to go back with all the knowledge gained)

Nobody can help you there or do it for you...and that is the level I am talking about. There are just some questions I have at times, nobody can answer for me. On that level my dad is just another soul, trying to figure it out for himself!

You know?

billyjackbitch said:

I find myself agreeing with you again. I also believe the soul gathers knowledge from previous life experiences but each time it intertwines itself in a material body that knowledge becomes "locked" in a way, without access, until one can tap into "higher states of consciousness" within their bodies to liberate that knowledge. Not easily achieved.

Interesting though (for me, anyway).

senik said:

My point exactly. And that knowledge/experience of previous lives brings scars to the soul as well... and I believe that the soul is trying to heal it's "scars from the past". That is why people could just have a fear for heights or fear for darkness or fear of commitment, from as early as they can imagine. It has to come from something. But if you do try and be "still" now and then. Live in solitude at the time... rest your soul...write in a journal or simply just talk to some1 who you can relate to and discuss this matter with, then yes,.. you will be able to tap into a higher state of conciousness.

Being aware of your life and others around you and trying to be aware without being judgemental,..that is interesting to me. With that awareness comes appreciation as well,...is my own experience.

It is 12:30 pm now here in Holland,..so most of our fellow American prince.orgers are still asleep or just getting ready for their day... but I can't wait for more opinions to follow Always interesting!

billyjackbitch said:

i feel we come back... different times, in different ways to learn ... to teach

to share and to be alone

Mach said:

Yes, that is what I mean. It is not like we only have this life, in my opinion. I guess that is why it is important to be aware of ourSelves.

I think this is the first thread where I agree with everything everyone has said so far. It's funny because I have that same relationship with my father. We always get into theological discussions as well as discussions on metaphysics.

I do believe we are constantly recycled. I mean where would we get all these child prodigies if they hadn't experienced things before. I have been really soul searching for the past 10 years. I pay attention to everything, my feelings, my habits, my idiosyncracies and my phobias. I believe they come from somewhere.

I mentioned on another thread that my relationship with my father seems reversed. I feel he was my son at one time. My mother was my best friend. My best friend was my nemesis and my cousin Maria was my sister or brother.

Senik was my long lost football buddy.


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MIGUELGOMEZ said:

Interesting!

I can relate to all that is said here.

It seems to me that I have been through this journey for 30 years. It never stops, and each, and everyday brings a new opportunity to grow, and to learn from everything that touches my life.

Whether it be plant, animal, or human..

Happy Journey BB.

I couldn't agree more...

And, yes, there are often times when I find myself "aware" of the reality of my existence, both physical and as a soul...it's a pretty profound thing to experience. The first time that awareness overcame me was when I was about 14 years old, sitting up against the house in my backyard. It was almost like an out-of-body experience...but it was more mental/emotional than physical.

I've always felt as if our souls were eternal, our time here in the physical only transitory, but so very purposeful...this existence serves a much greater purpose. What our souls are able to attain here, that they do not have anywhere else, are experiences...that's why what we gain from experiences, and how we act/react to them, is far more important than the experiences themselves, whether they be good or not-so-good. It's also why I try not to avoid things out of the fear that I "might" experience this or that...if experience is our soul's reason for being here in the first place, then telling yourself "but what if..." negates that very reason...it diminishes "experience" as less important than "avoidance". Giving into doubts harms the soul, in my mind...listening to what your heart and soul together tell you is right, feels right, seems beautiful...that's the guide to use...because nothing within this world will ever be certain, so don't require it or look for it when making decisions. Looking for certainty negates the purpose of Life.

Feeling alone is nothing new to me...it's been a part of my experience practically all my life. I sometimes wonder if I'm supposed to feel alone, that I was meant to...could be.

billyjackbitch said:

Life lessons

Byron said:

Hey Byron, are you an only child by the way? I am. I understand that "feeling alone" feeling. I do have to differentiate being along and feeling alone. I've never really felt lonely. Sometimes yeah but I have my 4 or 5 friends that I really care about.


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I often feel alone. Not that I do not have friends or family or relationships but just that I realize that none of us truly have anyone else but ourselves. I feel like it makes the connections I make more special because I realize the fleetingness of what we call "life" as we are currently experiencing it. It is but a flash in the pan. I truly feel there is more waiting beyond.

I don't know how I really feel about whether or not we come back again and again but if we do, I might have been a mean and cruel person because sometimes that seems to be the only explanation for how much horror has come my way in life. That I somehow needed to be subjected to the things I may have subjected others to. It would make me feel alot better about many of the things that have happened to me. And in experiencing what I may have done to others I have learned the biggest lessons one can in this life. And that knowledge will be my biggest asset in this life and the life beyond.

I've never felt any of that....I believe we're solely of a physical nature and a previous life? How can you feel it? What do you feel? And afterlife?...Hmmmm...has anyone that has died come back and told you what is next for you...? I haven't had any experience of that kind at all...I think you are all witches!

Sike....Just don't feel it like you all do...when I am dead...THAT'S IT! See ya! My legacy is the impressions I have made on those in my midst while I was here.

Just my opinion.

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

That's me, exactly...feeling lonely is somewhat rare...but feeling alone is almost contant...always has been. And, like you, I have a handful of truly close people in my life...for which I'm eternally greatful for their existence and what they continuously give of themselves to me.

But I'm not an only child..lol..I'm the youngest of four children. Although that can make you feel even more alone, to be honest...

we've had these discussions in the past loni if u remember , i always believe we have a Higher self, who is always somewhat searching as well are destined to find what its all about. we always come back and learn new things that we didnt before.

... i dont feel lonely either... but often feel alone

it's very hard to explain to those that dont feel that way

billyjackbitch said:

I truly understand. I just wrote this long post and my account expired, I usually copy before I click the post response and I forgot.

I lost all that I wrote.

Your sense of awareness is a similar one I have had in past years. I have long accepted my souls position in this so called life. I have nothing to prove... yet so much to always give.

Byron said:

This is why I love you.

True Awakening.

I believe that the aloneness that much of us (if not all of us) feel is very prevalent. It’s a side affect of each of our delusions of a separate self. We feel that we are “this person” or “that person”, or that I am “me”, rather than realizing that what is going on at a deeper level is a process of circumstances and conditions.

There is nothing that makes me so unique that cannot be broken down into conditions and circumstances. When viewed this way I realize that I’m not separate from anyone else really—nor any other living creature. Each “thing” is a condition of “things” which are themselves conditioned. By mentally collecting these dependent co-arising things together we formulate the idea that we somehow are substantially unique, and thus—isolated.

Belief in a separate self—a unique soul—as some wise mendicant once said is like “grasping desperately to a glass of water, when outside there is a lake.”





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Sweeny79 said:

...You know this about me as well as anyone... (12 hour phonecalls tend to do that...lol)

I so much appreciate all of you taking the time to share your opinions on this thread! Thank you! Every one of you. Wether you agree or not (although I do see that there is only one respons that is not agreeing with this thread and all the rest of the comments seem to "feel" what I'm trying to express).

This is so wonderful.

The whole vibe of this thread feel so good to me. It is like, beneath all the fooling around and having fun on threads in here,..we ARE all souls. We all know it,..but this thread now shows it. We all want to know what else is there.

The comment about grasping for a glas of water while there is a lake next to you makes sooooo much sense to me!

That is how I see it: as drops of water from the same lake. Perhaps we even know eachother on "the other side" but in this world we don't. However,sometimes we do feel like we know some1 so well... and that is when we refer to the "soulmate"-concept. That is fine. I think we have more soulmates. A group of people we know. From where? I don't know... I don't think it is something I have to find out in this life, because you simply don't bring all the knowledge you do have "there."

Anyway, I have been having these thoughts about my past and the person I was in the past (in this life,..yes ) and I have been feeling like I have been changing. "Growing up?" Well, it sure feels like puberty, but this time I am aware of what is happening. I had these dreams. Very clear dreams. And one of my girls so happens to be very "open" to certain vibes/feelings.... you know what I mean...

And when she explained what she felt they meant, and the gave arguments about what she thinks I have been pondering over,... all of what she said was sooooo accurate. Basically I feel I am growing spiritually. It is really exciting. It's like something is about to happen. Not like a big thunder and a flash and explosions, but I have come more and more to a higher state of awareness and it is just amazing to me. There is so much more and that is why I felt like a soul. I had so many questions and I was thinking: "call mom & dad?" and that is when this feeling came to me: "What r they gonna say? What can they do? The're a soul just like me!" THAT is the "alone" (not lonely) feeling I am talking about.

So now I just try to be as aware of my feelings, thoughts, behavior, reactions, observations etc. as possible.

Life is just so great. It has all these little hidden messages in it. Like last night, I was online trying to fix my computer. A friend, and co-prince.orger was helping me through yahoo. As I was installing and uninstalling some software we killed time by talking. And this person gave me some of his own advice and views...and I just sat there.... looking at my computer thinking: "Our paths crossed....we discuss a matter that is on my mind these days...and here you are giving me your opinion (read: confimation of what I was feeling/thinking all along). I don't read into everything life shows me... but these moments are clear to me. We don't just cross paths for no reason. Some people you meet in the street or at a busstop and you have this short, yet very intense and deep conversation with... or that person just so happens to say something that is the EXACT answer to this question you been walking around with... : those are angels to me. Just little messengers sent by our Universe (God, if you will)

Anyway, I would love to get more into this if anyone feels like it. Preferably in here, because then other people can read it too. I can just go on and on.

Life is great. I love it. And I feel so blessed to wake up every morning.

I run by my soul, alwayz havez

You know you've hit it, when you realise dat what you want in anything has nuffin 2 do with another'z opinion, rather how you feel and what you want and exploring dat.

You it'z very hard 2 do dat in a whole kinda way when you live in a situation dat holdz you back. i can speak for myself...i've come 2 da conclusion dat all will feel rhythmically more natural in my sense of being once im outta home ...it'z true though. Meaning i will not feel like i'm in a box someone has created for me, but in a whole sense of self dat i have created for myself and 2 sharez.

DexMSR said:

Don't you think there is more than life than this? I know you read "Conversations with God" What is your opinion as to what is stated in the 3rd book of the trilogy?