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2the9s

Trump's Plans for Ground Zero

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Reply #1 posted 05/18/05 7:13pm

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Trump pushes own Ground Zero plan
Site planners reject mogul's criticism of World Trade Center site
From Phil Hirschkorn
CNN
Wednesday, May 18, 2005 Posted: 10:04 PM EDT (0204 GMT)

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Officials in charge of rebuilding the World Trade Center site Wednesday were quick to dismiss real estate developer Donald Trump's proposal to scrap their plan and instead build "reincarnated" twin towers similar to the originals.

"Donald Trump is entitled to his opinion, just like the millions of people who actually involved themselves in the public planning process which resulted in the master plan," said a spokesperson for the Lower Manhattan Development Corp., the agency overseeing rebuilding on the 16-acre site hit by the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

That master plan, designed by Daniel Libeskind and David Childs, features a 1,776-foot "Freedom Tower" and a 4.5-acre area for a memorial to 9/11 victims.

But Trump told reporters at a news conference: "Throw it all away."

The agency spokesperson said, "It would be a mistake to ignore the democratic process that resulted in a consensus about planning for the site. We will continue to move forward with the master site plan."

Already, the cornerstone for the Freedom Tower has been laid on the site, though earlier this month New York Gov. George Pataki announced that the iconic tower would be tweaked to accommodate security concerns raised by the New York Police Department. A revised tower design is to be unveiled next month.

The Freedom Tower design was chosen in February 2003 after some of the world's best-known architects submitted proposals. Its height is symbolic of the year of American independence, and its 276-foot spire is meant to echo the arm of the Statue of Liberty.

The torqued glass-and-steel design includes a steel cable netting, more than 60 floors for offices, an indoor observation deck, a restaurant and wind-harvesting turbines to supply some of the building's power.

Trump made it clear he doesn't like it.

"It's a building that's essentially a skeleton," he said.

Trump said the plan "looks like a junkyard."

"You take a look at a the roofs of those buildings, they're all at different angles, different shapes," he said. "It is the worst pile of crap architecture I have ever seen in my life."

Trump's alternative would be replicas of the original 110-story towers, only a bit taller. The design and model by architect Ken Gardner, embraced by Trump, offered buildings that would be 1,474 feet -- more than a hundred feet taller than the original towers, once the world's tallest buildings.

"What we need is support to build a bigger and better version of two buildings and more that were taken down by people that were animals," Trump said. "If something happened to the Statue of Liberty, you wouldn't rebuild it as something other than the Statue of Liberty."

Trump's plan would also mean scrapping the memorial plaza that was also chosen after an international design competition.

In a written statement sent to CNN, Libeskind said, "The site plan is not just about commercial buildings. The memorial is its crucial centerpiece. It is there for a reason. The museums are there for a reason. The performing art center is there for a reason. The public open space is there for a reason. The transportation hub is there for a reason.

"Together they reflect the rich tapestry of our national spirit. They respond to the loss of 3,000 lives on this sacred ground but also reaffirm with optimism and determination of our democratic values and the true American dream.

"The master plan provides a context for these elements to coexist as a forceful, coherent and enduring whole -- both respectful of history and also defiantly alive."

Charles Wolfe, whose wife, Catherine, was killed on 9/11 while working on the 97th floor of the center's North Tower, attended the news conference to inspect the model.

"This thing scared me at first. It scared me because you are confronting almost like a ghost," said Wolfe, who has been active in the rebuilding debate. "Some people will not like this because it brings up too much pain. And some people will like it because it flushes pain."

Trump said he hoped that World Trade Center leaseholder Larry Silverstein, who is slated to construct the Freedom Tower, would get behind his plan.

But Silverstein indicated otherwise, saying his "only concern right now is designing a safe and spectacular Freedom Tower in keeping with the well-established master plan for the site."

Silverstein already has $4 billion in insurance proceeds and the backing of the state's political establishment, led by Pataki.

"I only have the power of persuasion," Trump said.

Trump is responsible for a number of tall apartment and office buildings around Manhattan -- all with his name emblazoned on them. They include his headquarters, 5th Avenue's Trump Tower, and the tallest residential building in North America, Trump World Tower, which rises 861 feet across the street from the United Nations.

"I think the challenge of Ground Zero goes beyond anyone's individual ego, and the problem of Donald Trump is he's never gone beyond his own individual ego," said Paul Goldberger, dean of Parsons School of Design and the architecture critic for The New Yorker.

"Everything he's produced is ultimately about Donald Trump, and we need a solution at Ground Zero that's going to be about New York, about America and about healing of the city -- and Trump I don't think is suited to that," Goldberger said.

Goldberger, who chronicled the rebuilding debate of the past three years in his book "Up From Zero," said Trump's proposal was technically achievable but ill-advised.

"It's possible to rebuild some version of the original twin towers. But why would anyone want to? They were not particularly beloved buildings. They were powerful symbols," Goldberger said.

However, Goldberger thinks the design for the Freedom Tower also is flawed, "because two talented architects who had different visions of what the skyscraper should be were forced by the governor to collaborate."

CNN's Lauren Rivera contributed to this report.


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Reply #2 posted 05/18/05 7:14pm

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SECOND!!! headbang
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Reply #3 posted 05/18/05 7:39pm

2the9s

Trump pushes own Ground Zero plan
Site planners reject mogul's criticism of World Trade Center site


~~snicker snicker~~ @ "mogul" giggle

From Phil Hirschkorn
CNN
Wednesday, May 18, 2005 Posted: 10:04 PM EDT (0204 GMT)


I think we should change it from Eastern Standard Time to Trump Standard Time: TST.

smile

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Officials in charge of rebuilding the World Trade Center site Wednesday were quick to dismiss real estate developer Donald Trump's proposal to scrap their plan and instead build "reincarnated" twin towers similar to the originals.


wtf? Did he really use the word "reincarnated"?

"Donald Trump is entitled to his opinion, just like the millions of people who actually involved themselves in the public planning process which resulted in the master plan,"




said a spokesperson for the Lower Manhattan Development Corp., the agency overseeing rebuilding on the 16-acre site hit by the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.


Where was Trump when all this planning was going on? It's not like it was a secret. He wants to be a big tv star and suddenly he gets interested in this thing?

That master plan, designed by Daniel Libeskind and David Childs, features a 1,776-foot "Freedom Tower" and a 4.5-acre area for a memorial to 9/11 victims.


Whereas Trump's master plan includes a golden relief of his head carved into the slurry wall. smile

But Trump told reporters at a news conference: "Throw it all away."


disbelief

The agency spokesperson said, "It would be a mistake to ignore the democratic process that resulted in a consensus about planning for the site. We will continue to move forward with the master site plan."


Hey, I'm not in love with the Libeskind design, but the idea of Trump getting his paws all over this just makes my skin crawl.

Already, the cornerstone for the Freedom Tower has been laid on the site, though earlier this month New York Gov. George Pataki announced that the iconic tower would be tweaked to accommodate security concerns raised by the New York Police Department. A revised tower design is to be unveiled next month.


At a ceremony during which Donald Trump will be sitting in the cheaps seats and blowing an air horn.

The Freedom Tower design was chosen in February 2003 after some of the world's best-known architects submitted proposals. Its height is symbolic of the year of American independence, and its 276-foot spire is meant to echo the arm of the Statue of Liberty.


I admit, it sounds corny as hell.

The torqued glass-and-steel design includes a steel cable netting, more than 60 floors for offices, an indoor observation deck, a restaurant and wind-harvesting turbines to supply some of the building's power.


Okay, now that all sounds cool!

Trump made it clear he doesn't like it.




"No sir, I don't like it."

"It's a building that's essentially a skeleton," he said.

Trump said the plan "looks like a junkyard."


Is it a junkyard or a skeleton? make up your damn mind!!

"You take a look at a the roofs of those buildings, they're all at different angles, different shapes," he said. "It is the worst pile of crap architecture I have ever seen in my life."


Whoa. Not so technical there, big guy. smile

Trump's alternative would be replicas of the original 110-story towers, only a bit taller. The design and model by architect Ken Gardner, embraced by Trump, offered buildings that would be 1,474 feet -- more than a hundred feet taller than the original towers, once the world's tallest buildings.


The guy's got a tin ego.

"What we need is support to build a bigger and better version of two buildings and more that were taken down by people that were animals," Trump said. "If something happened to the Statue of Liberty, you wouldn't rebuild it as something other than the Statue of Liberty."


Why not? Wouldn't you be ruining the uniquness otherwise? confuse

Trump's plan would also mean scrapping the memorial plaza that was also chosen after an international design competition.


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In a written statement sent to CNN, Libeskind said, "The site plan is not just about commercial buildings. The memorial is its crucial centerpiece. It is there for a reason. The museums are there for a reason. The performing art center is there for a reason. The public open space is there for a reason. The transportation hub is there for a reason.


Trump retorted: "Crap! Scarp it! Junk! Ooga Booga!"

"Together they reflect the rich tapestry of our national spirit. They respond to the loss of 3,000 lives on this sacred ground but also reaffirm with optimism and determination of our democratic values and the true American dream.


Trump replied:



You're fired, Deutschy.

"The master plan provides a context for these elements to coexist as a forceful, coherent and enduring whole -- both respectful of history and also defiantly alive."


Am I the only one uncomfortable with this whole "master plan" mantra? confused

Charles Wolfe, whose wife, Catherine, was killed on 9/11 while working on the 97th floor of the center's North Tower, attended the news conference to inspect the model.

"This thing scared me at first. It scared me because you are confronting almost like a ghost," said Wolfe, who has been active in the rebuilding debate. "Some people will not like this because it brings up too much pain. And some people will like it because it flushes pain."


So it will be divisive. neutral

Trump said he hoped that World Trade Center leaseholder Larry Silverstein, who is slated to construct the Freedom Tower, would get behind his plan.


"...and to ensure Silverstein's support he plied him with cheeseburger pizza in the Green Room at the Ed Sullivan theater."

But Silverstein indicated otherwise, saying his "only concern right now is designing a safe and spectacular Freedom Tower in keeping with the well-established master plan for the site."


woot!

Although again, there's that "master plan" thing... confused

Silverstein already has $4 billion in insurance proceeds and the backing of the state's political establishment, led by Pataki.


Ka-ching!

"I only have the power of persuasion," Trump said.


You say potato, I say a Godzillean-like ego.

Trump is responsible for a number of tall apartment and office buildings around Manhattan -- all with his name emblazoned on them. They include his headquarters, 5th Avenue's Trump Tower, and the tallest residential building in North America, Trump World Tower, which rises 861 feet across the street from the United Nations.


btw, I remember hearing after 9-11 that Trump scraped some plans for another skyscraper he had in the works because he was scared to build it or something. Anyone remember that?

"I think the challenge of Ground Zero goes beyond anyone's individual ego, and the problem of Donald Trump is he's never gone beyond his own individual ego," said Paul Goldberger, dean of Parsons School of Design and the architecture critic for The New Yorker.


woot!

"Everything he's produced is ultimately about Donald Trump, and we need a solution at Ground Zero that's going to be about New York, about America and about healing of the city -- and Trump I don't think is suited to that," Goldberger said.


woot! woot!

Goldberger, who chronicled the rebuilding debate of the past three years in his book "Up From Zero," said Trump's proposal was technically achievable but ill-advised.

"It's possible to rebuild some version of the original twin towers. But why would anyone want to? They were not particularly beloved buildings. They were powerful symbols," Goldberger said.


It's true. You never heard anyone praising the design of the buildings.

However, Goldberger thinks the design for the Freedom Tower also is flawed, "because two talented architects who had different visions of what the skyscraper should be were forced by the governor to collaborate."


Hmmm...I need to read his book... hmmm

CNN's Lauren Rivera contributed to this report.


Thank you Laura. Lauren. Whatever.

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Reply #4 posted 05/18/05 10:20pm

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I have wet dreams of Osama Bin Laden getting ahold Of Trump and lighting him on fire in front of the world and saying "You're fired, you arrogant son of beetch" biggrin
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Reply #5 posted 05/19/05 5:13am

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LiveWithIt said:

I have wet dreams of Osama Bin Laden getting ahold Of Trump and lighting him on fire in front of the world and saying "You're fired, you arrogant son of beetch" biggrin


And then grinding up Bin Laden and mixing him into the foundation of the new Freedom Tower?

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Reply #6 posted 05/19/05 5:24am

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I like Libeskind! He designed a bit of the building I work in nod they should stick to his plans.
Happy is he who finds out the causes for things.Virgil (70-19 BC). Virgil was such a lying bastard!
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Reply #7 posted 05/19/05 5:34am

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2the9s said:


"Donald Trump is entitled to his opinion,




i'm not so sure. neutral
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Reply #8 posted 05/19/05 6:30am

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I've always supported the idea of the rebuilding of the twin towers - I was happy to read this but mixed on the idea of DOnald behind this project.
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Reply #9 posted 05/19/05 8:28pm

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I'm not sure about rebuilding the Twin Towers...however I am not happy with the "Freedon Tower".

The WTC used to give New York City a VERY unique profile, which was recognized internationally. Same as the Eiffel Tower identifies Paris, Big Ben for London, St. Basil's Cathedral for Moscow, The Petronas Towers for Kuala Lumpur...etc., etc.

That stupid spire isn't going to have the same effect. I recognize it's significance...but there had to be a better way to design it.
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Reply #10 posted 05/19/05 8:29pm

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PurpleJedi said:

I'm not sure about rebuilding the Twin Towers...however I am not happy with the "Freedon Tower".

The WTC used to give New York City a VERY unique profile, which was recognized internationally. Same as the Eiffel Tower identifies Paris, Big Ben for London, St. Basil's Cathedral for Moscow, The Petronas Towers for Kuala Lumpur...etc., etc.

That stupid spire isn't going to have the same effect. I recognize it's significance...but there had to be a better way to design it.


I agree!

But Donald Trump is NOT the answer!
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Reply #11 posted 05/19/05 8:33pm

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Fuck the Feedom Tower, bring back the deuce!

"You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "

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