namepeace said:

Agreed.
I also think Hayden was looking a lot more comfortable this time around. Lucas gave him the opportunity to let loose and Hayden took advantage of it.
I cared for him in this film. In Episode II, he came off as a cocky lil' punk that needed his a$$ kicked. This time, I found myself rooting for him for the majority of the film, then feeling bad for him. I can't explain why I felt bad for a guy that killed younglings and choked his wife with the force, but I did.

Totally agree! I couldn't stand Hayden in AOTC (Even though I liked the movie), but I actually found myself really enjoying his performance in this films (other than a couple of times where he delivered lines in his "wooden" manner).

OdysseyMiles said:

I can echo a lot of what you said! I don't think Christensen is a special talent, but I think his portrayal of Anakin was good. I mean, really, if Anakin was going to turn, he wasn't going to be Julius Caesar. He was going to be a young punk who could be petulant, impatient, jealous and angry. He'd have to be ripe for manipulation. And that's the way Christensen played him in Ep II. In III, Christensen plays him as someone more comfortable in his own skin but still hostage to his fear, resentment and jealousy.

Which raises another question: Were Anakin's nightmares ginned up by Sidious?

namepeace said:

Not in my opinion. I think Sidious could search Anakin's feelings and know what was going on after the fact, but I don't think he initiated them. Anakin told Palpatine about his mother and the sand people and Palpatine played on that.
I believe Anakin's nightmares are brought on by his own fear of loss combined with his affinity to the force. A Jedi who is strong in the force can see slightly into the future, so Anakin's fears and strong attachment could have caused him to have nightmares about his mother's impending death and that of his wife.
I think it would cheapen Anakin's turn to the dark side if he were just being controlled as opposed to simply making bad choices.

OdysseyMiles said:

That all makes sense. I just wonder sometimes. There is really no explanation why Anakin's mother was kidnapped and tortured. It seemed eerily similar to Ep V, where Vader tortured Han. Chewie and Leia without explanation to tap into Luke's senses and prod him into a trap.

Man, Palpatine would make a great Satan.

Come to think of it . . .

As much as I've always loved Star Wars, I'm a lil upset at the portrayal of the Jedi in these prequels. They seem so... stupid. Anakin tells Mace that Palpatine is really Darth Sidious and Mace takes three Jedi with him to arrest him? STUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPID!!!

As heraled as the lightsaber duel with Qui-Gon/Obi/Darth Maul is watch it very closely and you'll be surprised that the two heros didn't get their heads lopped off, with all that stupid spinning and turning (and, yes, I am aware that QuiGon and Obi Wan were using lightsaber Form IV, the "acrobatic" form. Good thing Obi-Wan lurned his lesson and started to be a faithful disciple of Form III instead.)

Obi and Anakin get their asses kicked by Dooku in EPII...quickly then it ends in a draw with Yoda. Why? Because Yoda was too stupid to use the force to pull Obi and Anakin out of the way. Instead he wasted time and energy using the force to hold up the big whatchamacallit.

In EPII Mace makes some grand entrance in Geonosis, pointing his lightsaber at the neck of Jango Fett. Dumb.

Anyway, I liked EPIII a lot. I think all the Bush "references" that the media picked out was a little silly. You could say those references apply to a lot of politicians (and businessmen) past and present.

Adisa said:

Well, Adisa, remember: there are only 2 Sith, so they must be pretty formidable to be able to take on the Jedi. It makes sense that it would take 4 Jedi to take the Sith Master out. And he killed 3 of them in 15 seconds flat!

Adisa said:

Well, Palpatine is the Supreme Chancellor. Little hard to just go in intending to kill him.



Disagree. It was pretty cool.



Whether he pulled them out of the way, or stopped the thing from falling, it was still the distraction that Dooku had intended, since he was getting his ass handed to him by Yoda. As for Obi Wan and Anakin, you have to remember that Dooku was a whole lot older, and stronger, than either of them. Had Anakin worked with Obi Wan, as he should have, they would have had a chance.



Why is it dumb? Mace Windu is trying to stop Dooku, not start a war. He is demanding the release of the hostage Jedi, and is putting on a show of force, without actually initiating hostilities himself.



I agree. The Bush simiarities can also apply to countless other figures throughout history, from Hilter to Nixon.

The Sith master who started the "two-at-a-time" rule...

Darth Bane

Gawd...they sorta took the villian out of Darth Vader.....


I was really feeling for him.


Loved the movie

Adisa said:

Also consider that they believed the Sith had been extinct for a millenia, so they may not have known exactly what it would take to defeat one Sith. It only took two to defeat Maul. Add in that they didn't have too many Jedi left on Coruscant (minus the children) at that point, and four Jedi was all that could be spared. Yoda was on Kashyyyk, Kenobi at Utapau, and Anakin left behind at the temple.
[Edited 5/23/05 16:52pm]

HamsterHuey said:

I thought the same thing!
I was talking with one of my friends about it and he said that Leia was talking about her adopted mother.
I'm so confused!

applekisses said:

Take a look back at my post regarding this.

The movie is incredible and it makes all other 5 episodes even better. I saw episode IV today and i felt like seeing for the first time. Especially on the parts Kenobi, C3PO or luke's uncle talk about the past and luke's father.

TMPletz said:

Dude...they went to arrest him.

Adisa said:

It is not the Jedi way to be the agressor and go to purposely kill him. Like Yoda said back in TESB, "A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense. Never for attack." ...dude.

Did Palpatine know that Anakin was on Tatooine?
Could he have somehow manipulated them into going there?

OdysseyMiles said:

Right on!
Of course this is no brilliant new idea from Lucas, in fact it's a classic story element, but it still works so well.
I will (propably) see this one on Thursday again. Really cannot wait, now that I know how much I like it!

Man, there's some people on here really stretching for logical answers to the "inconsistencies" and outright stupidity of some of the aspects of this film. Kinda reminds me of the P&R forum...

How, in the name of all that's science fiction, does one go about arresting a Sith Lord? Do you really think he's going to allow himself to be apprehended, read his rights, seek representation in the form of a protocol droid, stand trial, go to "Jedi jail" and wait for his opportunity for parole? Maybe he'll get out on good behavior if he turns to the good side of the force. Give me a f#ckinkg break! Like I said (and namepeace mentioned it first in a slightly different context), Lucas made the Jedi look like some stupid (if not weak) beeyatches in this prequel. They got that ass kicked for all the reasons mentioned on this thread, which sums up to just being stupid.

Adisa said:

That's your opinion. Yes, they would go to arrest him. He's the Supreme Chancellor (the SW universe equivilant of the President). If US president was proven to be guilty of the same crimes, you can bet that whatever agency was in charge of removing him would ARREST him. They wouldn't show up to kill him, even if W could shoot Force lightening from his fingers and weild a lightsaber (and I'll leave you with that hilarious image).

JediMaster said:

So it's illegal to be a Sith Lord!! My bad. And I get what you're saying about the crimes he committed, but he committed those crimes cause he's Sith, not because he's a Bush (which is just as bad, IMHO)
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Adisa said:

Its illegal to use your office to create a war that kills millions...


...maybe W IS a Sith Lord!

you know, i think there are only just so many geeky things that i can fit into my geeky brain, and i guess i'm full-up on He-Man and comic books and CD's and Buffy and broadcasting history.... because i've just never gotten this Star Wars thing.
[Edited 5/24/05 10:20am]