BorisFishpaw said:

Luke; Do you remember you mother.
Leia; Vaguely.
Luke; What was she like?
Leia; Sad.

Leia had a VERY good memory.

BorisFishpaw said:

His 'NOooo!"was perfect; it is the hate for losing Padme that has fuled his hate until Luke reaches his heart in VI.

I thought his first steps were the real funny stuff.

Okay. The bad moments to me;
- a shot of some helm-less stormtroopers looking TOO fake.
- The fact you do not get too see some more torment on Vader's face when he is about to butcher the little padawans, and then the fact you do not get to see this slaughter. To me that would have made him much more evil than he is now.
- During the fight between Vader and Kenobi they balance on a sort of beam while battling, all of a sudden a droid comes out of the fumes and then continues on it's way. Thought that was VERY irritating.
- Several CSG (is that what it's called?) shots of R2D2 flawlessly taking ramps and C3P0 running after Padme, also on a ramp.
- And the animal Kenobi rides just before Order 66 is issued, is it's head a wink to bleedin' Harry Potter's Hyppogrif? I mean; PLEASE!

I know, mere details, but still.

The overall movie is STILL Lucas going overboard with the CSG. Love the space battles, but when it comes to multitudes of Wookies or Stormtroopers, I rather see them in real life. Jeez, build a SET, will ya?

My thoughts:


Does the title actually refer to the revenge of the Sith that Sidious spoke of in the movie that had the power to control the midochlorians? I take it that it was Sidious that killed this Sith in his sleep and perhaps it was this Sith that created Anakin by controlling the midochlorians to create life. Anakin's fate was to destroy Sidious; therefore, the true "revenge of the sith" is Anakin's ultimate fate that was controlled by Sidious' former master. Any thoughts on this?

What were Padme's last words? I could not recognize them.

In Episode II, Yoda and Windu indicated that someone had uncovered the secret weakness of the Jedi which allowed the Sith to hide things from the Jedi. What was this secret and who uncovered it and how? Was it Dooku?

Who was Master Sepha Dious that was referred to in Episode II? The people that made the clones referred to him. Also, who killed him and why?

How did Anakin get that scar above his eye?

donnyenglish said:

Sadly George Lucas didn't answer all the questions. The Sifo Dias question remains unanswered, as does the Jedi's ability to appear as ghosts in later films (although this is made clearer in an outtake which featured Liam Neeson).

The whole Anakin's Dad thing is unknown. Personally, I don't think that the film is suggesting his dad was either Sidious or his old sith master.

Sidious is a liar, so he was pretending to Anakin that the force could be used to prevent create or keep life. This was his way of blackmailing him over to the dark side.

This would also make sense for the Vader suit scene, because the Emperor lies about Padmes death. It gets him off the hook for not saving her life, and punishes Vader for his betrayal all in one sweep.

The Emperor never had the power (he admitted it after Anakin became Vader in the office). He lied to win Anakin. Thats what Sith do....and political figures....

donnyenglish said:

Padme's last words were something along the lines of "there's still good in him. I know it."

HamsterHuey said:

CarrieMpls said:

Thing is; IT IS AN INCONSISTENCY!

Just back.

I dont know what to think.
A special effects extravaganza,fills in a lot of gaps.

One thing that bothers me is why didnt Obi recognize R2-D2 and C3-PO in ANH?
We know that they both got their memories erased so they wouldnt have recognized him.
Secondly i found the dialogue to be really confusing at some parts and to be honest a few times i totally lost track of what they were saying.
As for Palpatine's saber fight i also picked up on that it was shot too close,but i just put it down to the fact Iam Macdairmid is no spring chicken anymore maybe if they had invested in a CG palpatine that would have worked,i mean they had already did a really good CG of Dooku and his fight scenes were amazing.
I thought it was a bit silly of them making Chewie look a bit younger i mean he is over 300 years old he surely wouldnt have aged that much in appearance.

This sounds as though i am really slating this but over all i really enjoyed the film.
Im going again tonight with some friends so i cant wait to pick up on the things that i missed.I didnt see the millenium falcom .

ooh another thing i thought it was really quite cool to see Peter Cushions character with Darth Vader and the Emperor at the end.
twas a very clever touch.
ooh and i thought it would have been a nice touch to maybe see Yoda touching down in Dagobah.
[Edited 5/20/05 7:56am]

SquirrelMeat said:

didnt Yoda tell Obi that he was going to train how to do it when he was in Tattooine?
[Edited 5/20/05 7:57am]

SquirrelMeat said:

But yoda mentions to Obi just before the end that Qui-gon has learned to come back from the netherworld and that they can commune with him and that yoda will teach him how. I assumed that this is how they later appear as ghosts.

Neversin said:

What a beautiful world you propose….

* If you want something---take it
* If you want to do something---just do it.

I wonder if you are big and strong enough to defend yourself in a world of total anarchy?
Are you really suggesting this?

BorisFishpaw said:

I think that is an urban legend.
I don't believe you will ever find evidence of VII-IX.

Re: Leia's memory of her mother. sadly she's more than likely remembering Bails wife, NOT Padme.

Re:"Nooooo!" i do agree it could have been executed a little better, but if you read or listen to the (audio)book, Vader really wants to kill Palps at that point, he's been tricked and now he's trapped in that suit, he's lost a great deal of his power and he's good for destroying a few droids with his mind and nothing more at that point.

he's a slave again.

the audio book likens him to an artist gone blind or a composer gone deaf. He's not even half what he could have been.

PS, his staggering off the table was great, i've seen it twice now and nobody has laughed at all, i thought it was well done and fully understandable. With his new legs and all.

Marrk said:

You know them stumps were hurtin'

Leia's memory. I was thinking that too.

CarrieMpls said:

Correct.

donnyenglish said:

Help me if I’m wrong, but….

I don’t think Sidious killed that powerful Sith leader mentioned.

A) Sidious said that this powerful Sith leader knew how to control the midochlorians
B) Sidious mentioned that the Sith leader had taught his apprentice everything.
C) And Sidious said he didn’t know how to control the midochlorians yet. (but that together (he and Vader) they might find out)

And just for fun…If this powerful Sith Leader can create life….why did Vader have a mom?---By that logic I can create life if you give me a woman.

(I will note however, I really like the idea you are proposing.)

Yoda mentioned the return of Qui Gon, but did not explain about the Jedi ghost powers. It was a pretty poor attempt at trying to answer it.

One of the outtakses features Liam Neeson, as a ghost, explaining it to yoda. I think this should have remained.

By the way, the first draft of the script actually mentioned that Palpatine was Anakins father, but Lucas dropped the whole idea by draft two.

Marrk said:

But luke asks her "Tell me of your mother, I mean your real mother".....

SquirrelMeat said:

Is this sequence in the reworked DVD versions? Or did Lucas leave i out to be able to kill off Padme earlier?

DuckPurple said:

Gl interview in 1983 in the "Icons" - the Dark Side Of George Lucas book...

"In the sequel Luke would be a sixty-year-old Jedi knight. Han Solo and Leia would be together"

The sequel focuses mainly on Luke, and Lucas says Mark Hamill will have first crack at the part if he is old enough. ‘If the first trilogy is social and political and talks about how society evolves, ‘ Lucas says,’Star Wars is more about personal growth and self realization, and the third deals with moral and philosophical problems.. The sequel is about Jedi knighthood, justice, confrontation, and passing on what you have learned.'”

HamsterHuey said:

It still in Return of the Jedi, in all its cock up glory!

SquirrelMeat said:

Woohooooo!

I love cock ups!

DuckPurple said:

Oh, it's not just an urban legend, I've heard it from Lucas' own mouth.

The question is how far he ever really got with the story for the final trilogy. Personally, I believe that it never got further than some rough ideas for the
general story arc, and certainly never got as far as 3 scripts.

muirdo said:

From what I understood is that only the protocol droid's (C3-PO) memory got erased...

Neversin.

SquirrelMeat said:

You didn't give me much to work on. I ran the quote you provided through Google, and came up with only ONE hit. From EPinions.com
The quote you provided:

Is a quote from Ms. Worrell---the person that wrote the book, NOT George Lucas himself.

You want George's own words...just look here.

From CNN: George Lucas: Mapping the mythology (direct quotes)


So...do you listen to rumor, or from the man himself?

BorisFishpaw said:

Show me the money....because I don't believe you.

DuckPurple said:

I don't know where you get that idea from but whatever floats your boat I guess...


Something we'll never know... But if push comes to shove it's still humans you're dealing with so I wouldn't have a single problem in dealing with them accordingly...


No, it's just how I work, I don't care what the rest does, that's their problem...
I only say stick up for you and yours and if someone gets in the way of your happiness or could be the cause of your or yours death then remove them by any means necessary...

Neversin.

Neversin said:

That is my understanding as well...which plays into the idea that R2-D2 always knew more than it was telling. (I like that)

SquirrelMeat said:

So? She just doesn't know at that point. She doesn't know luke is her brother or Vader is her father. she's totally oblivious to all this.

In Star Wars she assumed General Kenobi served her father (Bail Organa) in the clone wars. We all know that aint right.

the scene in Jedi is just not a problem. It's fine.

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[Edited 5/20/05 9:23am]

Neversin said:

Simple...it came from this statement you made:


From that statement, I think we can pull the following:
1) You choose your own well being and happiness above all others
2) "Pussy" is something you would destroy worlds for (We ARE talking Vader here)

Now, if you are willing to upset the peace of the universe...
Killing worlds of innocents in the process
And doing it all...for "pussy"?

I don't think it's a stretch to my comments at the top.