TMPletz said:

Believe me I REALLY wanted this one to be amazing and I really thought it would be, hell I even liked "Attack Of The Clones" somewhat...
And you can't change the fact that Darth Vader was just 1 minute in the movie (the whole trilogy was hyped around him...) and didn't do anything significant to show what kind of killer fuck he is...

Neversin.
[Edited 5/19/05 9:15am]

CarrieMpls said:

I actually thought that they did well throughout the film. I was particularly paying attention to this since reading that critics were giving bad reviews of their performances, and I'd have to disagree with them.

My only problem with the movie was the ad-libbing by the Separtist droids during the initial battle. It seems they were given the lines just to lighten things upduring the first 30 minutes or so. "Dumb droid!"

I would have liked to see Yoda's conversation with Qui-Gon. Maybe that'd be one of the extra DVD scenes if Mr. Neeson was actually filmed for a minute or two.

Where was Mon Mothma? I know scene(s) were filmed with her and she was still in the credits, yet I didn't see her at all during the course of the film. Maybe this is another DVD extra. I would have liked to see the senators' secret meeting (Mothma, Organa, Padme) and Organa's line about staying in the senate even though it may seem like he's selling out.

The story did well as it did through the book. Of course, the book is better, but the movie brought out the emotional ending a lot better than the book did. Heck, even I almost had a tear or two as Padme was dying and later during the funeral procession and beyond as the children were taken to their new homes.

Damn. I wish I could take today off from work and watch all the movies again.

Neversin said:

Actually Darth Vader is in the movie a lot longer than that. The armor does not make the man. He was evil a lot more in the movie before he even had the armor.

The absolute WORST scene in the new movie: Darth Vader’s Frankenstein impression when the Emperor informs him of his wife’s death. (Laughter throughout the theater…)

BEST part of the movie….the excellent portrayal of Palpatine by McDiarmid. Though his dialog was weak in a couple of places, this is the best character in the movie-- hands down!
You can really feel this character…when he says he’ll bring peace to the galaxy, you believe him because he believes himself. (Best villain I’ve seen in a movie in quite a long time…The transformation from Senator to Emperor is better than Vader’s own journey.)

And plenty of eye-candy. Some great looking characters, creatures, and effects.
(I agree with an earlier comment that some of the fight scenes were cut too close the characters faces, and the editing sometimes a bit too choppy. When will American directors understand how cool it is to actually SEE the fight, not just a close-up of Obi-Wan with a light-saber flashing in front of his face?)

I’m pretty hard on the Star Wars movies in general---but this was pretty good. MUCH better than the last two/three Lucas made.

AND….I have a temporary +10 modifier to my geek score for seeing it at 12:01.

All the theaters were sold out….Lucas made a mint last night! (What about those geeks that dressed up?—We had Wookies and Storm Troopers, and more than a dozen Jedi dorks playing with their light-sabers.)

DuckPurple said:

I forgot one of the pieces to my costume and would have had to make a drive back home after work but found out from my friend who was already at the theater that they had already started seating people, so I said what the heck and forgot about retrieving the missing part to my Jedi costume and wearing it altogether. Dammit.

TMPletz said:

Yeah I get that, but to me Darth Vader is personified by that suit, voice and breath and being a hardass evil dude just for the fuck of it not by that pussy Anakin (who wasn't that evil to begin with he just did what he thought was best for himself, there's nothing evil about taking care of yourself or your loved ones...)
It's just like the end of "Return Of The Jedi", the mask comes off and there's this weak ass old guy in it who is all lovey-dovey...
And what was even more pathetic was that whole "Frankenstein" bit...

Neversin.
[Edited 5/19/05 9:38am]

Neversin said:

When he looked up and started yelling "NOOOO!", I couldn't help but think back to that Energizer commercial a few years back where he did the same thing.

Neversin said:

Taking care of yourself and your loved ones at the expense of everyone else….you don’t think that’s a little evil?

I don’t want to be your fucking neighbor!

DuckPurple said:

Well, if I had to choose between me and my loved ones and the rest, well, then fuck the rest... Nothing evil about that...
I'm not going to choose someone I don't give a fuck about anyway over myself or my loved ones, maybe you would, but I'd call that rather fucking idiotic...
All Anakin did was what any sane (heterosexual) man would do: choose for his option to have more pussy from the woman he truly loved instead of the respect of a bunch of "law upholders" who don't trust him anyway and even disrespected him by not giving him the rank of "Master" (and that smug bastard Obi Wan Kenobi smirking at that...)

Neversin.

Question 1: The transformation from Chancelor to Emperor ... Just what was going on there? He was using his power that made him all week and disfigured or Mace reflecting it back at him? What the heck was going on there?

Question 2: Why is General Grevious all weezy? Didn't see the cartoons and I was told it was explained there. Also, is there a rendering out there of what he looked like under the armor?

Question 3: We see the first stages of the Death Star. Does it really take all that time between then and when Luke grows up before it is completed or is it around a while before it's actually discovered by the rebels? It just seemed like they got the 2nd Death Star up and running (and it was supposed to be larger, right) in just a few years between ESB and ROTJ. And just how old is Luke supposed to be in IV?

I know some of you guys have read some of the books that expand on some of this. I'm kinda tempted to go get some of this stuff myself to fill in the blanks now.

Comment: I dug the film as I have all of them. I didn't find it to be a GREAT or BEST film to me, but it was a fun one for sure. Just like I find the rest of them to be now. In my opinion, there is a boyish desire to recapture that feeling you got when you saw the other ones for the first time. Well ... that was a long time ago. I mean, it's like having an affair with the girl you lost your virginity too after you've grown up, got married and have children. It's just not the same or will be. I do see other kids that are the age I was when I saw the original three and they seem to be reacting the way I did, so George must still be doing it right.

There's still magic in these films, but we are different too. I remember watching the Death Star blow up Alderane (sp) in "A New Hope" and feeling really overwhelmed that all those people just died suddenly. We just saw a burst of sparks against a black screen, yet it left an emotional impression. Now we've seen years of CGI films that actually show some graphic detail of earth getting blown up, hit by astroids and global weather distruction and they didn't move me one bit. Funny how so much of this leaves less to the imagination. I think my favorite scenes in this one was the dialoge of Palpentine telling the story of that sith lord getting killed in his sleep by his apprentice and that was just face time. But these films WERE MADE TO BE VISUALLY OUTSTANDING and the Lucus crew did just that.

ALSO: The trailer for "War of the Worlds" looks promising.
[Edited 5/19/05 10:39am]

SW Geek Confession ... I bought a plastic sword for my son, (2 years old) but probably more for me when I think about it. I didn't take it to the movie, but I thought about it ... a lot.

I will probably watch this at least one more time at the movies. Maybe when my brother comes down next week. Maybe I'll even bring the plastic sword.

We called each other last night before going in to see the movie; him in East Tennessee and me in South Florida. That was kinda touching. Then again we both had a few beers and I'm sure that put some emotional steroid in our system.

I swear, I sat at the bar outside the movie house looking at 1200 people lined up a good 100 yards. Let's see, beer or stand in line? I waited until all 1200 of them mo'-fo's went in first. AND I STILL GOT A GREAT SEAT because 600 people went into other lines for popcorn and soda.

yamomma said:

Not me! 2nd row center sucks at the movies! Those seats don't even need to be there! I need a chiropractor!

yamomma said:

1. I'm not sure about this myself, it looked like Mace was deflecting lightning back at him, but at the same time Palps was expending a hell of a lot of darkside energy whereas as previously he was possibly using it just to hide his appearance from everyone. I think this one is up in the air.

2. While escaping onboard a ship with the Chancellor at the end of the Clone Wars cartoons, Mace Windu crushes Grevious mid section with the force. his internal organs are damaged but he gets away. (his entrance in the film is immediately after this event)

Grevious is basically a brain, a face and internal organs, the rest is artificial.

3. Originals always take longer to construct, so it's entirely feasible that Death Star 1 took the best part of twenty years to construct. Perhaps Death Star 2 was being built while the original still existed. I could easily imagine Palpatine fancying a fleet of those things.

I believe Luke is supposed to be 20 in ANH, though i could be wrong. 18 is nagging at me for some reason.

Who knows how long is a year on Tatooine anyway?

Marrk said:

Thanks man!
Did they show what Grevious looked like in the clone cartoons or are you going by something else?

yamomma said:

I can't remember if it was really explained in the cartoon, but Grevious' background was gone into in considerable detail in the "Labyrinth of Evil" 'official prequel novel'

purpledoveuk said:

I agree

This movie was sad

It was fucking awesome

the story is so good

it overshadows the acting

just Sad

CarrieMpls said:

OK, I've got this one figured out. There is an allusion to palpatine being anakin's "father" by creating life from the meta-chlorians (or however that might be spelled).

yamomma said:

They weren't using independent contractors when building the first Death Star. *

* see Clerks

TheBatman said:

I think i agree. Just got back from seeing it again, it really is a great film. Infact it was even better second time around. My Mum and Dad took me to see the original as a 7yr old in '77, so i took them this time and they really loved it (despite them not liking the previous two very much)

Another circle is complete.

Episode 3 was wonderful. I have to admit that I was a little bothered by the fact that AOTC had changed Yoda to CGI, but I'm pretty glad they did now seeing Revenge of the Sith...he kicked major butt.

And there is just one thing I have to say about the Emperor. Scary. Especially just after he is disfigured and his voice is changing.

Oh, and one more thing. Natalie Portman is HOT! And I have to say, there was something pretty exciting about that little maternity number she had on at the end of it.

Just got back from the movie - great stuff! I put Sith on the same level as A New Hope, four stars. It's a notch below Empire, the best of the series(five stars).


I also saw the previews for Batman Begins, War of the Worlds and Fantastic Four. It's going to be a great f-n summer!

I just saw it. Definately the best of the "new" trilogy (though Empire remains my favorite of all six). I think George Lucas and company knew that EpIII would be a real dark one, so they used a lot of comedy in Episodes I+II to make up for it. It was like a nightmare vision of Star Wars and I loved it!

When Anakin finally turns into Darth Vader and asks The Emperor what happened to Padme - when he does the really cheesy/chiché "Nooooo!" - I couldn't help but giggle a little

I loved the little montage at the end that fills in the blanks to lead into Episode IV

Overall: 4.5 stars

That "NNNOOOOO!!!" even got a slight chuckle from the fans at the Premiere with Lucas in attendnance.

However (slightly in defence of why it happens) you haveto remember that Anakin has just sacraficed EVERYTHING (friends,love, freedom etc) for one goal and that has been snatched away

I think that NOOOOO is the point where Anakin totally turns to the Darkside and is consumed by hate...before there was always hope for him.

I notice Palpatine didnt admit "actually mate Ive been trying to bump off your mrs for years!!"

Neversin said:

Uh, what?

Hey, Purpledoveuk and I were both at the marathon showing on monday!

I've had time to reflect on the movie now.

I saw it at the cinema on Monday, and Tuesday, Midnight Wednesday and on DVD yesterday.

Its good, but it has slipped in my original estimations. Its comes in Third for me, behind The Empire Strikes Back and Attack Of the Clones.

I felt the ending was far too rushed, they left too many contradictions against Episode 4, 5 and 6, and most of all, they cocked up the entire end scenes with Darth Vader. The "Nooooo!" scene was comical, and it should have been left out. They should have ended it with his first breath.

Its better to leave some things unanswered, than to try and fail to tie up everything nicely.

Overall though, a great ride!

.
[Edited 5/20/05 4:32am]

calldapplwondery83 said:

Exactly...

Neversin.

Yeah, Vader's "Nooooo!" was a bit obvious and cliched (though it is in keeping
with the whole Saturday Morning Serial theme that Star Wars is based on). It might
have been better to have him collapse silently in despair or something instead.

All in all though, there were very few things in Episode III that I thought
were mistakes or bad choices compared with the other prequels (and in fact the
series as a whole).

My only gripe now is that if Lucas is going to leave Star Wars as a 6 part story
(and not do Episodes VII-IX), Return Of The Jedi just seems a little too 'low
key' as a finale when compared to the spectacle of the earlier episodes.

BorisFishpaw said:

I know what you mean. Return Of The Jedi looks a little lacklustre as a finale.

I was against Lucas altering the orginals, but now I think he needs too, to make them work more seemlessly.

First, cut the Empire strikes back luke kissing Leia thing!

Then cut Leia explaining her memories of her real mother.

Then cut Vader saying, "Thats it, the rebels are there, and I'm sure skywalker is with them!".

And cut out The Emperor saying "Ah, the weapon of a Jedi Knight".

And put back Sebastian Shaw as vader in Return Of The Jedi!


Roll on the 6 film box set in Hi Def!