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Printablepaintsprayer said: nakedpianoplayer said: i've addressed this several times on this thread. someone who is high should not supervise children. Someone who is drunk should not supervise children. someone can have a drink and not so much as buzz. Very few people smoke just for the taste and enjoyment, and don't get at least a smal buzz off it IT IS ALL FUCKING RELATIVE!! You mean to tell me NONE of you have ever drank, smoke or whatever and got behind the wheel of a car?? I know I have cause I can be real here! You muthafuckas think because it is the politically correct answer and pretend to fuckin' swear by your profound lies to hide behind! There are accountability issues yes, but don't you sit here and tell me you have never EVER placed yourself or anyone else in jeopardy for the sake of drinking, smoking, or whatever your vice may be. 
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DexMSR said: paintsprayer said: someone who is high should not supervise children. Someone who is drunk should not supervise children. someone can have a drink and not so much as buzz. Very few people smoke just for the taste and enjoyment, and don't get at least a smal buzz off it IT IS ALL FUCKING RELATIVE!! You mean to tell me NONE of you have ever drank, smoke or whatever and got behind the wheel of a car?? I know I have cause I can be real here! You muthafuckas think because it is the politically correct answer and pretend to fuckin' swear by your profound lies to hide behind! There are accountability issues yes, but don't you sit here and tell me you have never EVER placed yourself or anyone else in jeopardy for the sake of drinking, smoking, or whatever your vice may be.
Carry ON! yes dex, i have... then i grew up 
JUST KIDDING !!!! no, seriously, i would love to fast forward time a few years and see you with a little one of your own THEN rediscuss this issue. im seriously wondering if it would change your way of looking at things  i know it did for me, and i didnt even TRY ... it just kinda happened - right about the same time my doctor said 'youre pregnant'.One of the best days of my life... http://prince.org/msg/100/291111
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nakedpianoplayer said: AliG said: What if you lived somewhere where pot is legal. would it be ok then to smoke it in front of kids?
THATS A GREAT QUESTION !!!! my answer, im gonna look like a real prude here 
my answer is still NO... i dont want my babies to think that it is ok to do PERIOD. pot is labeled a 'gateway' drug for a reason.... although i never experimented with any other drugs besides pot - and many dont - there is still the opportunity to crave a more serious high. lets face it, the way the world is today, there are so many pitfalls just waiting to suck your child in... i am trying my best to keep my kids on a road that is a little smoother. if i died tomorrow.. i just want my kids to remember that i loved them (thats first) but that i also expect the best from them.... that means KEEP YOUR ASS CLEAN AND DO WHAT I EXPECT OF YOU !! in my opinion, drugs lead to nothing good period ! now, do i think that my babies will never do it ?? hell no, im not that thick  but its damn sure gonna be easier to control the issue if im not the one teaching them in the beginning that its ok.Gateway!!! Gateway!!! It depends on your bodies ability to comprehend and take this drug in? My mom said the same exact thing to me.....Gateway...LOL. I had never done anything other than weed all the way up until last summer when I tried "cocaine" ONCE...AND ONLY ONCE. Never have I decided to go back and do it again, and THAT is because of MY capacities and wherewithall to know that I don't "need" that drug and not turned on by it. We all have preferences and curiosity we fulfill from time to time and you first have to be a mature, responsible, and strong capable mind to know what is good and what is bad and how it will affect YOU first and foremost. Gateway.....Pffffft. The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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nakedpianoplayer said: DexMSR said: IT IS ALL FUCKING RELATIVE!! You mean to tell me NONE of you have ever drank, smoke or whatever and got behind the wheel of a car?? I know I have cause I can be real here! You muthafuckas think because it is the politically correct answer and pretend to fuckin' swear by your profound lies to hide behind! There are accountability issues yes, but don't you sit here and tell me you have never EVER placed yourself or anyone else in jeopardy for the sake of drinking, smoking, or whatever your vice may be.
Carry ON! yes dex, i have... then i grew up
JUST KIDDING !!!! no, seriously, i would love to fast forward time a few years and see you with a little one of your own THEN rediscuss this issue. im seriously wondering if it would change your way of looking at things i know it did for me, and i didnt even TRY ... it just kinda happened - right about the same time my doctor said 'youre pregnant'.Growing up...yes! And therein lies the moral to this story...we all have a path of growing and maturing, but along the way there can be hard lessons and soft lessons...I wish you all the ability and desire to live through each and every one of them. I will raise my child just as my parents did me. They nurtured and warned and even allowed me to try it and see if it was something I wanted to do (drinking) and after some teenage stints with alcohol, I knew there was a time and place for it in my own physical and mental faculties and how it would affect my life. The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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Don't forget to teach your kids the RULES!!!
PUFF PUFF PASS MUTHAFUCKA!!! The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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Dewrede said: AliG said: What if you lived somewhere where pot is legal. would it be ok then to smoke it in front of kids?
It's legal here in Holland (The Netherlands) I smoke pot , but i wouldn't smoke it in front of children [Edited 5/17/05 11:39am] it's not legal, it's 'tolerated'! There's a difference and you should know it! | |
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DexMSR said: Don't forget to teach your kids the RULES!!!
PUFF PUFF PASS MUTHAFUCKA!!! picture this... someone like me with someone like dex raising a baby together
now THAT would surely drive a kid to drinking 
 i hear whatcha sayin dex.. and i understand your points of view more because i have become to 'know' you and your ways of thinking.... you are just doing your 'dex step' outside the box, and for that i appreciate you 
and about what we said before, yes i said GATEWAY !! just because you and i didnt do it, doesnt mean it doesnt happen.... btw, have you ever stopped to think that the WAY you were raised has anything to do with your decision that 'harder' drugs werent for you ????  One of the best days of my life... http://prince.org/msg/100/291111
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nakedpianoplayer said: DexMSR said: Don't forget to teach your kids the RULES!!!
PUFF PUFF PASS MUTHAFUCKA!!! picture this... someone like me with someone like dex raising a baby together
now THAT would surely drive a kid to drinking
i hear whatcha sayin dex.. and i understand your points of view more because i have become to 'know' you and your ways of thinking.... you are just doing your 'dex step' outside the box, and for that i appreciate you
and about what we said before, yes i said GATEWAY !! just because you and i didnt do it, doesnt mean it doesnt happen.... btw, have you ever stopped to think that the WAY you were raised has anything to do with your decision that 'harder' drugs werent for you ???? Absolutely!! My upbringing had plenty to do with my outlook on drugs sista! That is why I don't subscribe to any of that "Gateway" bullshit, as it is all about your own capacities....not some term you read about in Good Housekeeping! The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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nakedpianoplayer said: DexMSR said: That is because you neglected to have a conversation with that kids parents, and left the door wide open for your child to relay the message. Be the adult and have a mature conversation with the neighbors that make an impact on your childs development. i understand what youre saying, and i had planned to have the conversation... just wasnt sure how to word it, ya know ?? this all took place within 3-4 minutes of me getting home - so there was little opportunity to talk to anyone. i would like to discuss this with her, but based on last nights phone call.. shes pretty pissed with me right now, perhaps its best if i wait just a bit I think you missed your opportunity to speak to her when she started rolling one up right in front of you...right then and there you should have said exactly how you felt about it around your own children and I feel this whole thing would have been avoided. and to the statements about why do you care what she thinks...well that would be all fine and good but reality is...you have to live in this neighborhood everyday....so I can see why even though she's the one smokin' pot in front of the kiddies...that you still don't want her all pissed at ya. I still think you should go over and speak with her, not later, or when you figure out what to say, but right now and clear this up. Just tell her your not judging her but that you can not allow your child in her house if she can't agree to not smoke pot while she's there. Simple as that. good luck to ya! 7 year olds...they smart huh? "not a fan"  yeah...ok | |
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DexMSR said:[quote] paintsprayer said: IT IS ALL FUCKING RELATIVE!! You mean to tell me NONE of you have ever drank, smoke or whatever and got behind the wheel of a car?? I know I have cause I can be real here! You muthafuckas think because it is the politically correct answer and pretend to fuckin' swear by your profound lies to hide behind! There are accountability issues yes, but don't you sit here and tell me you have never EVER placed yourself or anyone else in jeopardy for the sake of drinking, smoking, or whatever your vice may be.
Carry ON! Not me dexy I have never had a drink and drove a car never ever ever, even as a drunk ass teenager I called my daddy to get me and he asked no questions just took me home. I am very proud of that, I know that not many can say that. As for being high? tried weed as a little kid, coughed hated it, never did it again. WHAP
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Shorty said: nakedpianoplayer said: i understand what youre saying, and i had planned to have the conversation... just wasnt sure how to word it, ya know ?? this all took place within 3-4 minutes of me getting home - so there was little opportunity to talk to anyone. i would like to discuss this with her, but based on last nights phone call.. shes pretty pissed with me right now, perhaps its best if i wait just a bit I think you missed your opportunity to speak to her when she started rolling one up right in front of you...right then and there you should have said exactly how you felt about it around your own children and I feel this whole thing would have been avoided. and to the statements about why do you care what she thinks...well that would be all fine and good but reality is...you have to live in this neighborhood everyday....so I can see why even though she's the one smokin' pot in front of the kiddies...that you still don't want her all pissed at ya. I still think you should go over and speak with her, not later, or when you figure out what to say, but right now and clear this up. Just tell her your not judging her but that you can not allow your child in her house if she can't agree to not smoke pot while she's there. Simple as that. good luck to ya! 7 year olds...they smart huh? great point, and if i wasnt so shocked i would have taken that opportunity.... and YES 7 year olds are a hell of a lot smarter than we give credit One of the best days of my life... http://prince.org/msg/100/291111
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DexMSR said: nakedpianoplayer said: picture this... someone like me with someone like dex raising a baby together
now THAT would surely drive a kid to drinking
i hear whatcha sayin dex.. and i understand your points of view more because i have become to 'know' you and your ways of thinking.... you are just doing your 'dex step' outside the box, and for that i appreciate you
and about what we said before, yes i said GATEWAY !! just because you and i didnt do it, doesnt mean it doesnt happen.... btw, have you ever stopped to think that the WAY you were raised has anything to do with your decision that 'harder' drugs werent for you ???? Absolutely!! My upbringing had plenty to do with my outlook on drugs sista! That is why I don't subscribe to any of that "Gateway" bullshit, as it is all about your own capacities....not some term you read about in Good Housekeeping! i love ya to death dex, but you are arguing a silly thing here hun 
face it, the "UPBRINGING HAD PLENTY TO DO WITH MY OUTLOOK ON DRUGS" - you said it yourself right there ... its all about how you were brought up and what you were taught as a kid that makes you think about whether or not you should be doing something like this
you know what that means right ??? 
it means you AGREE with me
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butterfli25 said:[quote] DexMSR said: paintsprayer said: IT IS ALL FUCKING RELATIVE!! You mean to tell me NONE of you have ever drank, smoke or whatever and got behind the wheel of a car?? I know I have cause I can be real here! You muthafuckas think because it is the politically correct answer and pretend to fuckin' swear by your profound lies to hide behind! There are accountability issues yes, but don't you sit here and tell me you have never EVER placed yourself or anyone else in jeopardy for the sake of drinking, smoking, or whatever your vice may be.
Carry ON! Not me dexy I have never had a drink and drove a car never ever ever, even as a drunk ass teenager I called my daddy to get me and he asked no questions just took me home. I am very proud of that, I know that not many can say that. As for being high? tried weed as a little kid, coughed hated it, never did it again. WHAP
Sex was my drug of choice and I got behind the wheel with wet panties many a night  way to go girl  One of the best days of my life... http://prince.org/msg/100/291111
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DexMSR said: paintsprayer said: someone who is high should not supervise children. Someone who is drunk should not supervise children. someone can have a drink and not so much as buzz. Very few people smoke just for the taste and enjoyment, and don't get at least a smal buzz off it IT IS ALL FUCKING RELATIVE!! You mean to tell me NONE of you have ever drank, smoke or whatever and got behind the wheel of a car?? I know I have cause I can be real here! You muthafuckas think because it is the politically correct answer and pretend to fuckin' swear by your profound lies to hide behind! There are accountability issues yes, but don't you sit here and tell me you have never EVER placed yourself or anyone else in jeopardy for the sake of drinking, smoking, or whatever your vice may be.
Carry ON! I drank and drove all the time, sometimes I did it on purpose. When I was 18 I put myself thru the windshield at around 85mph. Since then I will not drive if I have even one drink that day. That was 16 years ago, and I have stuck to it . That was way before I had kids. This does not even seem reletive to the original problem. Are you saying if I drank and drove once or twice I might as well let the whole thing slide and let someone high watch my kids? [Edited 5/17/05 14:40pm] :OjitheFanKeybumpersticker: | |
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butterfli25 said:[quote] DexMSR said: paintsprayer said: IT IS ALL FUCKING RELATIVE!! You mean to tell me NONE of you have ever drank, smoke or whatever and got behind the wheel of a car?? I know I have cause I can be real here! You muthafuckas think because it is the politically correct answer and pretend to fuckin' swear by your profound lies to hide behind! There are accountability issues yes, but don't you sit here and tell me you have never EVER placed yourself or anyone else in jeopardy for the sake of drinking, smoking, or whatever your vice may be.
Carry ON! Not me dexy I have never had a drink and drove a car never ever ever, even as a drunk ass teenager I called my daddy to get me and he asked no questions just took me home. I am very proud of that, I know that not many can say that. As for being high? tried weed as a little kid, coughed hated it, never did it again. WHAP
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abierman said: LolaM said: Abierman, do you think drugs (such as pot) and alcohol are in the same class?? This is not an attack just a question. first this: eventhough I grew up & live in Amsterdam, I do not smoke pot! Sure, when I was younger I experimented with it, just like almost every dutch kid has. Pot (or any other 'drug')just doesn't do it for me, it introverts me while I like being extravert. Fact is though that alcohol is a harder drug than the occasional reefer. Alcohol makes you lose control over your body. To me they are not the same, alcohol disorders you physically, pot makes you think slower but you stay clear in the head! But wait, I am not encouraging anyone to do either in front of kids. I prefer to have a drink, but the danger is just around the corner! And that danger is more dangerous than the occasional high from a joint! Personally I do not agree that alcohol is a harder drug than pot - mainly because I can have four or five drinks and feel a litlle tipsy whereas a couple of draws on a joint leave me totally cabbaged. Maybe its the fact that I don't smoke much meaning that my tolerance to pot is much lower than that of alcohol. The main reasons that make me class pot and alcohol in two different categories is that firstly pot is illegal in the UK and secondly there has not been enough research carried out to give reliable information on the long term side effects of smoking pot. I'll leave graffiti where you've never been kissed | |
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LolaM said: The main reasons that make me class pot and alcohol in two different categories is that firstly pot is illegal in the UK and secondly there has not been enough research carried out to give reliable information on the long term side effects of smoking pot. there has been done research.....compare it to the long-term side-effect of drinkin.... | |
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abierman said: LolaM said: The main reasons that make me class pot and alcohol in two different categories is that firstly pot is illegal in the UK and secondly there has not been enough research carried out to give reliable information on the long term side effects of smoking pot. there has been done research.....compare it to the long-term side-effect of drinkin.... Yeah but I still believe that we need more information on cannibis before even thinking about legalising it. I believe that most governments are being cautious. They don't want to legalise cannibis until they have more information on the common side-effects, rare side-effects, what is a "safe" amount, etc. Until there is sufficient information on these aspects, I believe that cannibis will remain illegal. Plus I'm not really saying that the effects of cannibis are any better or worse than alcohol but at least there is some legislation/guidelines for alcohol consumption. Just my two cents I'll leave graffiti where you've never been kissed | |
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abierman said: really, her smoking pot is none of your business.....
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look at the end of the day you are quite right.
Parents who smoke weed seem not to have a problem with their kids smoking it.(FACT). scenario; "where are we going tonight"? "lets go round to *****'s house" "yeah lets go his parents are cool,they let him smoke weed". Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
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