ella731 said:

I dunno, but as a teen I knew some guys who were smoking that shit like regular ciggies. They even got high before they played a game and sometimes even took a few hits at half time. Still "only" about 8-10 a day though. Now I realize they were only moderate users.

I smoke pot and see no problem with smoking pot. But...it is illeagal and all that jazz...so I don't do it when kids are around....not a cool idea. I don't even like doing stuff like that with people who have kids. Well...actually women who have kids. If U're a dude with a kid...I really don't care what U do. But if U're a mother and U have kids between the ages of 0 and 20...u shouldn't be doingd drugs at all...U got kids to raise. Double standar...I know...oh well.

At least me and piano player see eye to eye on a subject for once. Doing drugs infron of kids is bad...mmmmkay...

I smoke pot and see no problem with smoking pot. But...it is illeagal and all that jazz...so I don't do it when kids are around....not a cool idea. I don't even like doing stuff like that with people who have kids. Well...actually women who have kids. If U're a dude with a kid...I really don't care what U do. But if U're a mother and U have kids between the ages of 0 and 20...u shouldn't be doingd drugs at all...U got kids to raise. Double standar...I know...oh well.

At least me and piano player see eye to eye on a subject for once. Doing drugs infron of kids is bad...mmmmkay...

BobGeorge909 said:

A father is just as much of an example for his kids and I think boys are even more likely to copy their father's behaviour than their mother's. Anyway, there's only so much of an example you can set for your kids. At one point in their live they will have to decide what they want to do anyway.

None of my siblings (and I got 4) or my parents have ever used drugs, but I have. That was my choice. I grew up with someone who smoked almost two packs a day at one point, yet I never did. I think kids do understand that just because your parents do something it doesn't mean it's OK for you to do so. At least I did....

Shorty said:

I get what you're saying, but you need food to survive. Even if you moderately use alcohol or drugs it's bad for you. You don't need it either. So that's the difference.

I also like to say that smoking pot is not quite as innocent as people once thought it was. I read an article not too long ago and it mentioned that new scientific research has show that smoking pot narrows the blood vessels in your brain. It's also easy to see what kind of negative effects weed has on people if you come over here and look at the people hanging around in these "coffee shops". Moderation only limits the damage it does, it doesn't mean it's harmless.

JoeyMFinCoco said:

I agree and disagree... yes you need food to survive..but it can most def be abused and can be bad for you.
Alot of medical studies show that moderate alcohol consumtion can be good for your heart.
I never said smoking pot was good for you or harmless, it does have negative effects but it has positive effects too.
I could make a silly comment about morbidly obesse people hanging around infront of grocery stores too but..that would just be silly.

Shorty said:

Right, alcohol can be used as a blood thinner, but it still has negative effects on the liver and most people are tempted to drink more than that one glass that's needed to realize that thinning effect. Half or even a quarter tablet of paracetamol will do the same. A healthy diet will be sufficient for most people though, but it's easier to eat crap and have a wine I guess.

Food you need to survive. It's one of our primary needs. Alcohol is not, simple as that. If you want to drink because you like the way it makes you feel or maybe even like the taste, cool, but don't use the heath benefits as an excuse to drink a single drop.

JoeyMFinCoco said:

it only has negative effects on the liver if used more than in moderation. Some people may be tempted to drink more than one glass but some people may be tempted to pop more than one paracetamol too...which can also effect the liver. At the very least we can say alcohol is dirived from natural food sources..no? what is paracetamol dirived from? (I really don't know)
I'm not disputing that food is necessary and alcohol is not...I can see your points...but can you see mine? I'm not using anything as an excuse...I was just trying to make the point that lots of things can be abused and then be bad for you...including food...but I get the feeling you're unable or unwilling to see my point..but that's cool.

Shorty said:

Paracetamol doesn't affect your mood, so chances are slim people will use more than they need. I see your point, but some things are always bad even when used in moderation and some are never bad when consumed in moderation. I'm not anti-drug at all, it's just that I disagree with moderation being the key. It only defines a heavy user from a moderate user.

JoeyMFinCoco said:

sorry for butting in on your debate guys

but, this is how i feel about it.. moderation isnt the answer... if my kids said, 'yeah but mom, i only do coke a few times a month'... thats a few times too many !!!!!

drugs are drugs are drugs, whether you use them everyday all day, or once a month... its really the same thing.

Shorty said:

Paracetamol doesn't affect your mood, so chances are slim people will use more than they need. I see your point, but some things are always bad even when used in moderation and some are never bad when consumed in moderation. I'm not anti-drug at all, it's just that I disagree with moderation being the key. It only defines a heavy user from a moderate user.

Your child your rules. I tell my girls that they know the rules and they don't change because they go to someone's house.

I grew up in the 70's too where smoking in front of the kids was viewed as ok, hell they even blew smoke in the babies faces to make them high so they could laugh, and put beer in the baby bottles so they would sleep. Women smoked cigs the whole pregnancy etc..

But now we know better. You are the mother, tell her the truth, baby you can't go in her house because I don't agree with her rules, our rule is you don't smoke pot. You can still be friends etc.. but then let the kids work it out. If the little girls mom has a problem tell her the same damn thing...

if it were porn would you even be doubting yourself...if it were coke?

Your child your rules period!

LolaM said:

...and some people are still too narrow minded to see that drugs are sometimes nothing to do with weak people trying to hide from their problems, sometimes they are just fun to do.


I am not advocating drugs at all, I think they are a Bad Thing, generally speaking, but stereotyping drugs and drug use helps no one.


As for my two cents, I think smoking in front of the kids is a bad example. When they are old enough to understand the issues, frank and open debate is healthy, but until then, keep them away from that stuff.

Slash said:

NOTICE THAT I SAID SOME PEOPLE!!!!! And I was replying specifically to thesexofit's post talking about using drugs when he was stressed out. I was commending him for finding a way to deal with his stress. Some peolpe do use drugs to cope with their problems and a lot of them can't see any other way to deal with things!!

I have friends that do drugs just because they enjoy the feeling. I don't mind what they do because its entirely their choice. I can't argue with them because I drink alcohol, used to smoke cigarettes, and dabbled with LSD. So maybe you should stop reading between the lines and accept my post for how it is

BobGeorge909 said:

A father is just as much of an example for his kids and I think boys are even more likely to copy their father's behaviour than their mother's. Anyway, there's only so much of an example you can set for your kids. At one point in their live they will have to decide what they want to do anyway.

None of my siblings (and I got 4) or my parents have ever used drugs, but I have. That was my choice. I grew up with someone who smoked almost two packs of cigarettes a day at one point, yet I never did. I think kids do understand that just because your parents do something it doesn't mean it's OK for you to do so. At least I did....
[Edited 5/16/05 10:01am]

so heres the deal...

my daughter has a friend here that lives not far from us (just a few doors down)... anyway, she is a neat little girl, and i have no problems with the two of them hanging out together. the other day, i was over at their house for the first 'real' length of time and the mother did something that shocked me... WITH the kids in the house, she started rolling AND smoking a joint

so, heres my question...

i like freaked out and said, 'wtf are you doing ??? girl, the kids are right upstairs, wont they freak ???'

to which her answer was, 'oh girl, i have told them i smoke, they're fine with it.'





alright look, back in the day, i smoked my ass off... but that stopped when i had babies. and now im not sure what to do with my daughter. we talked about it tonight - as i have already talked with my son about it - and she told me she KNOWS the mother is smoking pot

so, i made a new rule at my house in effect immediately.... my children are not allowed to go inside anyone's house ! i cant tell my daughter that its because her mom smokes pot, and i cant only do it to my daughter, so now noone gets to do it !!!! needless to say, im not real popular right now with my kids... but, i guess thats what being a momma is all about huh ?


do you think its ok to smoke in front of children ??? or, maybe if you think its ok to smoke in front of your own, do you think its ok to smoke in front of someone elses ?????

people these days really fuck with your head huh ??? i mean, shit, how the hell are you gonna keep your kid off drugs if they are WATCHING you smoke in front of them ?????

This is probably a personal morality issue, but my question is....do you smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol in front of them??? Tell me the difference? And say because one is legal and the other illegal...I'LL KILL YOU....Whap!

DexMSR said:

dex, dex, dex

i really thought of all the folks here, you would be the one that i could count on for support in this issue being that you work with children everyday.

the difference is very plain to see in my eyes... cigarettes - as bad as they may be for you.... ARE legal. as is alcohol. HOWEVER... wouldnt you think it a bit odd of me as a mother to be smashed up drunk all the time in front of my kids ???? wouldnt you look at me a bit different ???

do i drink - sure i do... and that happens about once every 2-3 months. i have an entire cabnet full of liquor, thats not the point here... the point is that you CANNOT TEACH YOUR CHILDREN by words alone. they go by your example. if its ok for momma/daddy to get high, then it MUST be ok for me.

if my babies grow up and drink the way i do, im am 100% ok with that. if they drink the way i do then they will know that its by no means something you do everyday, you dont end up so fucking drunk that you cant walk, talk, or act like a 'normal' human being. they will know that your family comes first and foremost and that you CANNOT lead your life around drinking. they will know that you dont hang out in bars when you have a family at home. they will know that you must first take care of your responsibilities at home and with/for your family....

My "point" was.....

Is to take them all (cigs, drugs, alcohol) and speak to your child on the affects of what they all do and how it "may" lead to other things, and how not to build a dependence on any of it. Talk to your children about it openly and honestly as one is no less dangerous than the other when you are informed and knowledgeable.

My students ask me if I have ever smoked and I tell them yes I have, but I am not dependent upon it in my life's endeavors. If I were to ever have a child, I would not do it in front of them until they show me the mental capacity and maturity to understand this is nothing to play with and show them how it will affect them. When they get old enough.....which is an individual aspect as we are all mature in various ways, then I just may blaze with them as it is no different than taking your teenager on a fishing trip and sharing his first beer with him like Dad did with me at twelve years old...I didn't like it then, but it was my Dad's rite of passage, not into manhood, but a peek into the adult world and it let me know I was not ready or prepared for it.

If you have a friend who's mom smokes in front of her children and you are not comfortable with that, then do not let them go over there, have them come to your home.

Whap!

i am well over 21 .... i NEVER drink and drive... i am perfectly within the law in what i am doing, and so no, i do not believe that these are even in the same catagory.

My "point" was.....

Is to take them all (cigs, drugs, alcohol) and speak to your child on the affects of what they all do and how it "may" lead to other things, and how not to build a dependence on any of it. Talk to your children about it openly and honestly as one is no less dangerous than the other when you are informed and knowledgeable.

My students ask me if I have ever smoked and I tell them yes I have, but I am not dependent upon it in my life's endeavors. If I were to ever have a child, I would not do it in front of them until they show me the mental capacity and maturity to understand this is nothing to play with and show them how it will affect them. When they get old enough.....which is an individual aspect as we are all mature in various ways, then I just may blaze with them as it is no different than taking your teenager on a fishing trip and sharing his first beer with him like Dad did with me at twelve years old...I didn't like it then, but it was my Dad's rite of passage, not into manhood, but a peek into the adult world and it let me know I was not ready or prepared for it.

If you have a friend who's mom smokes in front of her children and you are not comfortable with that, then do not let them go over there, have them come to your home.

Whap!

I tought about this today
I would like to say it is no big deal, except for it being illegal.
But an important difference is that with beer a person could have one beer, and still be able to function fine should anything arise with the kids. When smoking a joint you are going to get high, and that person is then not suitable to care for children, anymore than someone who drank six or more beers would be. I also think it says something about this person that she didn't think twice to smoke with your child around. My wife feels pretty much the same as I do about pot, that provided the children are safe and cared for it's not a big deal, was nevertheless required to report it's use if she came across it while doing a safety evalution simply because it's illegal.


Hi, by the way I seam to keep missing you on threads and you always have nice things to say.

paintsprayer said:

things ok for ya ?

nakedpianoplayer said:

Not at all, but it's a long story I will probably address here at some point