And I hate Morissey and I am gay!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

And I like Morrissey and I am not...

Gay people are so busy trying to push the idea that they're are born gay to counter the religious right's attitude towards it that they forget that it is not that black and white for everyone. It goes back to nature vs. nurture. I personally don't believe anyone is born any way. I think it develops. Some later than others. There are things I can pinpoint in my past that have helped develop my sexuality. I'm bi. I remember liking boys and girls at a young age. I focused on the opposite sex until my twenties. I honestly think, for me, that the lack of a relationship with my father (I am female) and being molested were factors in developing my sexuality. I don't know how big or samll these factors are though

Emotions said:

Don't push your skeletons in your closet on us. And since you're "bi" you can't really speak for gay people, can you? It may be nat/nut for some people, but not for all. For me, personally, it was nature. I was raised religious all my life and told being gay was bad, so then what sense would it make for me to BE gay? It doesn't. Because i was born gay.

GlitterStream said:

I don't have any skeletons. And aren't we all part of the same community? Or are you discriminating against bisexuals? Everywhere I go it is the GLBT community that is being represented. Why can't I speak for gay people? I don't need to tell my business, but since you think I'm not qualified, let me just say I have never had sex with a man, but I am sexually attracted to men but mostly women and A LOT of people do things they were told were bad so that argument doesn't work. You may have been born gay, but eberybody isn't

Emotions said:

Yes i do discriminate against "bi-sexuals". I won't lie about that. And try to convince a gay person that they weren't born gay and see how far you get. It's easy for you to say, since you're not gay. So do you think you were born "bi"?

scififilmnerd said:

And I hate Morissey and I am gay!

I am not gay, or at least I don't think so. There have been quite a few situations where I felt like a real lesbian and felt dirty afterwards because I believe in GOD and the bible, well, parts of it anyway, and afterlife. So if in that situation, I try to focus on a really hot guy to get that picture outta my head. See with me, if you're cute, thoughts just go wild in my head of what we could do together. It doesn't matter what sex you are, but it ALWAYS happens to me . And I hate it when a female is in the picture. Although I have nothing against gays, (OBVIOUSLY), some are really cool people to hang/talk with (in other words Miguel and Glam ). but I don't think I would be able to handle the fact that I was a lesbian, IF I was a lesbian.




But for right now, I am in a VERY confused stage. I have no idea. I KNOW I love men, but then there's always that thought in the back of my head "She is GORGEOUS though".....so I don't know. I guess with some people, you are born straight, but then that doesn't work out, or you figure that something is missing, and then you try the same sex. You turn out to like them and then you're "OFFICIALLY" gay, no more being straight in your life.


With me, I've never been with a woman. But then I wonder what it would be like sometimes. So I guess in some ways, it's thrown on you. Some like the same sex either because they feel that they can relate to what you're are going through because they are the same sex and therefore KNOW what is happening to you for themselves. For example some women might want someone with the same functions as her, than a man who has NO CLUE what she's going through and vice versa.


So I guess it can go either way. It's either thrown on you, or you have been all your life and proud to say it. Me.....I have to decide that for myself.

Emotions said:

Yes i do discriminate against "bi-sexuals". I won't lie about that. And try to convince a gay person that they weren't born gay and see how far you get. It's easy for you to say, since you're not gay. So do you think you were born "bi"?

Well I have never believed the "having been born gay"-claim because the only so-called natural, innate type of sexuality is indeed of the heterosexual-type that just simply serves procreational purposes.

However we humans are equipped with an ability to be receptive to and handle all kinds of concepts that we encounter in social life, and it's quite normal and, inexorable as well for that matter, for our sexualities to develop over the basic animalistic levels. No straight males are "born" to be turned on by miniskirts and lingerie either. It's just how our natural tendencies for what we consider attractive will get adapted to in complex social situations.

So why do even some animals behave gay? Because even animals have a low-level capacity to deal with certain type of concepts and have designated impulses for that. There is certainly no "gay gene", but there definitely must be a tendency gene for the sexual desire to transform out of just the heterosexual behaviour (getting turned on by a person that dresses up "sexy" is not heterosexual per se either, it's fetishist - and not that much different from homosexuality in these terms). It serves no evolutionary purposes, but let's face it: it's a whole more fun.

PANDURITO said:

Yes you are.

You're all wrong.

And that's all I have to say on the subject.

GlitterStream said:

Care to elaborate? What's your problem with bi people?

[img]Obviously, I mean real bisexuals. Not stupid teenage girls who make out with each other to get attention at parties.[/img]

Well I have never believed the "having been born gay"-claim because the only so-called natural, innate type of sexuality is indeed of the heterosexual-type that just simply serves procreational purposes.

However we humans are equipped with an ability to be receptive to and handle all kinds of concepts that we encounter in social life, and it's quite normal and, inexorable as well for that matter, for our sexualities to develop over the basic animalistic levels. No straight males are "born" to be turned on by miniskirts and lingerie either. It's just how our natural tendencies for what we consider attractive will get adapted to in complex social situations.

So why do even some animals behave gay? Because even animals have a low-level capacity to deal with certain type of concepts and have designated impulses for that. There is certainly no "gay gene", but there definitely must be a tendency gene for the sexual desire to transform out of just the heterosexual behaviour (getting turned on by a person that dresses up "sexy" is not heterosexual per se either, it's fetishist - and not that much different from homosexuality in these terms). It serves no evolutionary purposes, but let's face it: it's a whole more fun.

meow85 said:

Those are the ONLY "bi" people i have problems with. I believe there are genuinely bi-sexual people. Instead of the ones who just wanna be curious and will go out with a guy/girl then break up with them and be like "oh, i just wanted to know if i was bi or not" or some stupid shit like that and make other bi-sexuals look bad. Not dumbasses who confuse curiousity or who they're allow them to define what their sexuality is.

GlitterStream said:

It always makes me laugh to hear people say they believe bi people really exist. "I believe in bisexuals!"

Well, if you had any lingering doubts as to our existance, you're talking to one now.

I don't have anything against people who experiment, because there are so many reasons why a person would do so. It's the people that fake being bi because it's trendy, or those (usually girls) that make out with each other because it'll get guys to pay attention to them. You can spot them a mile away, and it ain't cool. They're the ones giving us a bad name, not so much the experimenters.

It's the people that fake being bi because it's trendy, or those (usually girls) that make out with each other because it'll get guys to pay attention to them. You can spot them a mile away, and it ain't cool.

Is this your coming-out thread, LadyBoy?

Is this your coming-out thread, LadyBoy?