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Reply #30 posted 05/04/05 7:35am

CarrieLee

Ace said:

CarrieLee said:

You did the best thing. Hopefully she'll call you today. Maybe the hospital wasn't the best thing for her anyway...

I should have made sure she got somewhere safe before letting her go.



Don't beat yourself up over it. Woulda shoulda coulda...you did good boy! Seriously, you were probably the only one that actually cared about her and I'm sure it made an impact on her.
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Reply #31 posted 05/04/05 7:35am

Mach

rose what an honorable thing ...


dont be to hard on yourself ...

you reaction and action during the moment was above "normal"
( tis a shame that others dont help more )
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Reply #32 posted 05/04/05 7:37am

Ace

CarrieLee said:

I'm sure it made an impact on her.

Thanks, Carrie. I hope so.
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Reply #33 posted 05/04/05 7:39am

Alcop0p

analbolique said:

Alcop0p said:



Having tried to take my own life more than once i can say that I'm glad i never suceeded, It would have been the wrong thing to do, the wrong solution and a waste of a life

nothing is ever that bad.....

With a few months behind her who knows where she will be the possiblitys are endless, pretty much certain if she had gone under the car sigh


Right, but when you're dead you can't have any regrets and those left behind will get on with their lives. I'm glad for anyone who ever committed suicide that they found the peace which they could not find in this life. Too bad for the survivors that they have to deal with it, but maybe if people wouldn't see death as such a horrible thing the pain wouldn't be so bad. People from other cultures seem to deal with it much better than we do in general.


That is such a load of bollocks

I'm never glad for anyone who has ever committed suicude EVER

You are glad that someone who obviously has a mental illness (yes suicidal tendancies are classed as a mental illness) is neglected by the health care system and allowed to destroy something that can never be bought back, something that has a ripple effect on whole communities

The problem isn't the view on death, it's the comercialism of modern LIVING

the whole package we as humans are supposed to have that makes death look appealing rather than live as a second class citizen

I feel so strongly about what you have put i can't focus my answer mad
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Reply #34 posted 05/04/05 7:41am

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Alcop0p said:

analbolique said:



Right, but when you're dead you can't have any regrets and those left behind will get on with their lives. I'm glad for anyone who ever committed suicide that they found the peace which they could not find in this life. Too bad for the survivors that they have to deal with it, but maybe if people wouldn't see death as such a horrible thing the pain wouldn't be so bad. People from other cultures seem to deal with it much better than we do in general.


That is such a load of bollocks

I'm never glad for anyone who has ever committed suicude EVER

You are glad that someone who obviously has a mental illness (yes suicidal tendancies are classed as a mental illness) is neglected by the health care system and allowed to destroy something that can never be bought back, something that has a ripple effect on whole communities

The problem isn't the view on death, it's the comercialism of modern LIVING

the whole package we as humans are supposed to have that makes death look appealing rather than live as a second class citizen

I feel so strongly about what you have put i can't focus my answer mad


i agree totally
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Reply #35 posted 05/04/05 7:42am

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Ace, I think you did the right thing, man. Don't think to slam yourself about not going any further. Hopefully, she'll call. I think that will brighten your day as well.
I am MrVictor....
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Reply #36 posted 05/04/05 7:47am

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analbolique said:

Right, but when you're dead you can't have any regrets and those left behind will get on with their lives. I'm glad for anyone who ever committed suicide that they found the peace which they could not find in this life. Too bad for the survivors that they have to deal with it, but maybe if people wouldn't see death as such a horrible thing the pain wouldn't be so bad. People from other cultures seem to deal with it much better than we do in general.


I can't even begin to explain just how sick this makes me. Obviously you have
the right to your own views. And I know, I don't have to read this kind of bs
cuz I'm not forced. But still, your view seems rather one-sided.
Have you ever had someone you love wanting to kill themselves? Have you ever
been the one waiting through the night for the cops to come tell you?

geez.
and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #37 posted 05/04/05 7:54am

Ace

Alcop0p said:

the whole package we as humans are supposed to have that makes death look appealing rather than live as a second class citizen

I agree. I think this is part of what has soured me on fictional films and television and so much of pop music. So much of it creates this romanticized vision of life that doesn't really exist and people tend to measure their lives against these fairy tales and find they come up short. I guess I am voting with my wallet. I consider myself lucky that I can see these things for what they are, but not everyone can discern, unfortunately.
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Reply #38 posted 05/04/05 7:54am

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PS:

Ace man, you did the right thing.

Even if she does not call you doesn't mean she's not better today.
She might just feel to ashamed to call you. Or she might not even
care enough to call because of the state she's in at this point in
time. But one day she will, soon as she gets herself back on the
tracks. She'll want to thank you for your kindness then. And she
most likely will.
and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #39 posted 05/04/05 7:56am

Ace

IstenSzek said:

PS:

Ace man, you did the right thing.

Even if she does not call you doesn't mean she's not better today.
She might just feel to ashamed to call you. Or she might not even
care enough to call because of the state she's in at this point in
time. But one day she will, soon as she gets herself back on the
tracks.

Thanks. I hope you're right.
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Reply #40 posted 05/04/05 8:06am

analbolique

IstenSzek said:

analbolique said:

Right, but when you're dead you can't have any regrets and those left behind will get on with their lives. I'm glad for anyone who ever committed suicide that they found the peace which they could not find in this life. Too bad for the survivors that they have to deal with it, but maybe if people wouldn't see death as such a horrible thing the pain wouldn't be so bad. People from other cultures seem to deal with it much better than we do in general.


I can't even begin to explain just how sick this makes me. Obviously you have
the right to your own views. And I know, I don't have to read this kind of bs
cuz I'm not forced. But still, your view seems rather one-sided.
Have you ever had someone you love wanting to kill themselves? Have you ever
been the one waiting through the night for the cops to come tell you?

geez.


Why does it make you sick? Because I believe people have the right to decide when they want to end their life? My aunt committed suicide only a few hrs after she had visited us. In the months before she did I had spent many afternoons visiting her in the clinic where she had been admitted and also after she was released.

I think those who are "left behind" are incredibly selfish and only think of their own pain. If that makes you sick I think the problem lies with you and not me.
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Reply #41 posted 05/04/05 8:08am

MarieLouise

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analbolique said:

IstenSzek said:



I can't even begin to explain just how sick this makes me. Obviously you have
the right to your own views. And I know, I don't have to read this kind of bs
cuz I'm not forced. But still, your view seems rather one-sided.
Have you ever had someone you love wanting to kill themselves? Have you ever
been the one waiting through the night for the cops to come tell you?

geez.


Why does it make you sick? Because I believe people have the right to decide when they want to end their life? My aunt committed suicide only a few hrs after she had visited us. In the months before she did I had spent many afternoons visiting her in the clinic where she had been admitted and also after she was released.

I think those who are "left behind" are incredibly selfish and only think of their own pain. If that makes you sick I think the problem lies with you and not me.


To love someone is a natural thing, as is the pain when the person you love goes away in one way or another.
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Reply #42 posted 05/04/05 8:15am

analbolique

Alcop0p said:

analbolique said:



Right, but when you're dead you can't have any regrets and those left behind will get on with their lives. I'm glad for anyone who ever committed suicide that they found the peace which they could not find in this life. Too bad for the survivors that they have to deal with it, but maybe if people wouldn't see death as such a horrible thing the pain wouldn't be so bad. People from other cultures seem to deal with it much better than we do in general.


That is such a load of bollocks

I'm never glad for anyone who has ever committed suicude EVER

You are glad that someone who obviously has a mental illness (yes suicidal tendancies are classed as a mental illness) is neglected by the health care system and allowed to destroy something that can never be bought back, something that has a ripple effect on whole communities

The problem isn't the view on death, it's the comercialism of modern LIVING

the whole package we as humans are supposed to have that makes death look appealing rather than live as a second class citizen

I feel so strongly about what you have put i can't focus my answer mad


That's like saying you're not relieved that someone who has any other incurable disease has passed away and there has come an end to their suffering. As much as doctors and therapists can do, sometimes they just can not cure a person.

I think it's a good thing when someone doesn't have to suffer anymore. Sure getting cured is the best option, but sometimes that's simply not possible which doesn't always have to do with the health care system neglecting them.

But I guess anything but the traditional western view on suicide isn't accepted here, so I'll just shut up about it.
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Reply #43 posted 05/04/05 8:18am

Alcop0p

analbolique said:

IstenSzek said:



I can't even begin to explain just how sick this makes me. Obviously you have
the right to your own views. And I know, I don't have to read this kind of bs
cuz I'm not forced. But still, your view seems rather one-sided.
Have you ever had someone you love wanting to kill themselves? Have you ever
been the one waiting through the night for the cops to come tell you?

geez.


Why does it make you sick? Because I believe people have the right to decide when they want to end their life? My aunt committed suicide only a few hrs after she had visited us. In the months before she did I had spent many afternoons visiting her in the clinic where she had been admitted and also after she was released.

I think those who are "left behind" are incredibly selfish and only think of their own pain. If that makes you sick I think the problem lies with you and not me.


do you have personal experience of mental health problems?

rational, adjusted people DO NOT KILL THEMSELVES

it is a mental illness.

it goes through a variety of stages to get there some people hide it some it's obvious.

But for MOST human beings the concept of taking your own life is a terrible thing.

I am living proof that you can over come mental health problems (well maybe debatable)

The people left behind are left with the resounding pain of thinking...

did i do something to contribute to the illness
why didn't i see the signs
should i have done something
could i have done something different

blah blah blah

when in fact the person who killed themselves could have done it cause the bread was smelling funny or as my client told me a few weeks ago....

he had drunk so much he knew his hangover would be intolerable and couldn't see the point, He ended up in ER and now realises what a depressent substance can have on your mental health.

People don't ALWAYS kill themselves for some profound reason
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Reply #44 posted 05/04/05 8:19am

beret1022

Ace said:

I was not too far from home when a young woman ran out in front of a speeding car in front of me. Luckily, the driver was able to stop before hitting her. At that point, the woman just stood there in front of the car for what seemed like an eternity before stumbling, dazed, across the road. The car drove away, while the woman collapsed against a fence, sobbing.

No one stopped.

I pulled over to the side of the road and put my hazards on. I got out and went over to the young woman. I asked her if she was okay. She said, “I don’t want to be here anymore…I can’t take anymore…”. I asked her what had happened, but she said she didn’t want to talk about it. She continued to cry. I asked her if she had any family in the city and she said she was from Nova Scotia, but that her sister was in the city. After trying to comfort her for a while, I got out my cell phone and got a therapist’s number for her. I made her promise to call the doctor and her sister. She seemed to have calmed down a little. I drove her to a payphone and gave her a couple of quarters. I gave her my number and told her that I was expecting her to call me today, so that I would know she was alright.

In hindsight, I should have driven her to a hospital, but I did not think of that at the time. I am kicking myself for not doing that.



You are a good person. God bless you.
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Reply #45 posted 05/04/05 8:22am

Alcop0p

analbolique said:

Alcop0p said:



That is such a load of bollocks

I'm never glad for anyone who has ever committed suicude EVER

You are glad that someone who obviously has a mental illness (yes suicidal tendancies are classed as a mental illness) is neglected by the health care system and allowed to destroy something that can never be bought back, something that has a ripple effect on whole communities

The problem isn't the view on death, it's the comercialism of modern LIVING

the whole package we as humans are supposed to have that makes death look appealing rather than live as a second class citizen

I feel so strongly about what you have put i can't focus my answer mad


That's like saying you're not relieved that someone who has any other incurable disease has passed away and there has come an end to their suffering. As much as doctors and therapists can do, sometimes they just can not cure a person.

I think it's a good thing when someone doesn't have to suffer anymore. Sure getting cured is the best option, but sometimes that's simply not possible which doesn't always have to do with the health care system neglecting them.

But I guess anything but the traditional western view on suicide isn't accepted here, so I'll just shut up about it.


no don't shut up about it it's interesting

mental illness in most cases are curable

but to know someone who has a mental illness (ie expressing suicidal tendancys) but you fail to protect them isn't that more like man slaughter?

someone with MS who decides to perform suicide and can make a balanced rational choice when the suffering gets too much is one thing

but someone who can't rationalise there own thoughts its rubbish to say the best thing for them is to die and screw everyone else
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Reply #46 posted 05/04/05 8:24am

Electrostar

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Alcop0p said:

analbolique said:



Right, but when you're dead you can't have any regrets and those left behind will get on with their lives. I'm glad for anyone who ever committed suicide that they found the peace which they could not find in this life. Too bad for the survivors that they have to deal with it, but maybe if people wouldn't see death as such a horrible thing the pain wouldn't be so bad. People from other cultures seem to deal with it much better than we do in general.


That is such a load of bollocks

I'm never glad for anyone who has ever committed suicude EVER

You are glad that someone who obviously has a mental illness (yes suicidal tendancies are classed as a mental illness) is neglected by the health care system and allowed to destroy something that can never be bought back, something that has a ripple effect on whole communities

The problem isn't the view on death, it's the comercialism of modern LIVING

the whole package we as humans are supposed to have that makes death look appealing rather than live as a second class citizen

I feel so strongly about what you have put i can't focus my answer mad


Wise for one so young.
As equality grows, violence declines.
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Reply #47 posted 05/04/05 8:40am

Mach

analbolique said:

Alcop0p said:



That is such a load of bollocks

I'm never glad for anyone who has ever committed suicude EVER

You are glad that someone who obviously has a mental illness (yes suicidal tendancies are classed as a mental illness) is neglected by the health care system and allowed to destroy something that can never be bought back, something that has a ripple effect on whole communities

The problem isn't the view on death, it's the comercialism of modern LIVING

the whole package we as humans are supposed to have that makes death look appealing rather than live as a second class citizen

I feel so strongly about what you have put i can't focus my answer mad




But I guess anything but the traditional western view on suicide isn't accepted here, so I'll just shut up about it.



analbolique ...

i dont agree with the western views on alot of things ... i agree with some of the views you have expressed of suicide and death ...

i have lost 4 life long friends to suicide, watched their familys fall apart because of the emotions they attached to the persons choice
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Reply #48 posted 05/04/05 8:48am

Raine

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you did the right thing hug
i hope she calls you
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Reply #49 posted 05/04/05 9:25am

IstenSzek

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analbolique said:

IstenSzek said:



I can't even begin to explain just how sick this makes me. Obviously you have
the right to your own views. And I know, I don't have to read this kind of bs
cuz I'm not forced. But still, your view seems rather one-sided.
Have you ever had someone you love wanting to kill themselves? Have you ever
been the one waiting through the night for the cops to come tell you?

geez.


Why does it make you sick? Because I believe people have the right to decide when they want to end their life? My aunt committed suicide only a few hrs after she had visited us. In the months before she did I had spent many afternoons visiting her in the clinic where she had been admitted and also after she was released.

I think those who are "left behind" are incredibly selfish and only think of their own pain. If that makes you sick I think the problem lies with you and not me.


I'm not sickened by what you said exactly. Rather by the nuances. Perhaps
you just used the wrong words and that ticked me off.
I didn't mean to offend anyone and I guess you didn't either. It's just a
very touchy subject for me.

But I have to say, it's nothing to do with selfishness when you fall apart
and are scarred for the rest of your life because you fear that you're never
gonna see someone again since they're probably gone off to commit suicide.

Than again, it does have it's nuances, I guess, because it makes you open
your eyes and realise what is really important in life. and that is just
one thing and one thing only: the people you love and who love you.

The rest is commercialised rubbish.

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and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #50 posted 05/04/05 10:48am

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Ace, your my hero. mushy hug
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Reply #51 posted 05/04/05 10:53am

Lleena

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Good for you Ace, too many times people just dont want to get involved and pretend it isn't happening, but you DID something.

I hope she calls you soon.
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Reply #52 posted 05/04/05 10:54am

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Maybe you could drive by the area again. SHe still may be there.

Ace, it is always good when one human being takes time for another.. Thank you for that. hug



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Reply #53 posted 05/04/05 10:55am

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Wow....

I sure hope that sometime in the future this woman looks back to a certain ace and thanks him for giving her a second chance.

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Reply #54 posted 05/04/05 11:05am

Ace

sag10 said:

Maybe you could drive by the area again. SHe still may be there.

I know her first name and that she works in the area. I don't know how I could track her down, though. sad
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Reply #55 posted 05/04/05 11:09am

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Ace said:

sag10 said:

Maybe you could drive by the area again. SHe still may be there.

I know her first name and that she works in the area. I don't know how I could track her down, though. sad



I got out my cell phone and got a therapist’s number for her. I made her promise to call the doctor


you could check to see if she called the therapist ace?
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Reply #56 posted 05/04/05 11:15am

Ace

Lleena said:[quote]

Ace said:




I got out my cell phone and got a therapist’s number for her. I made her promise to call the doctor


you could check to see if she called the therapist ace?

I will do that. Thanks.
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Reply #57 posted 05/05/05 11:52am

Ace

See update in my first post. smile
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Reply #58 posted 05/05/05 11:55am

Raine

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woot!
glad to hear shes ok
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Reply #59 posted 05/05/05 11:55am

SammiJ

Ace said:

See update in my first post. smile

u are truly an angel hug

that was so great what u did, words can't describe that, it's not everyday u see something like that, and the fact that u weren't like everyone else and u went 2 talk 2 her and comfort her makes u that much a better person...

for lack of better praise, i would say thank u 4 being u hug rose
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