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DIARY of a Mad Black Woman I dont know if I missed anybody's thoughts on the movie, but I just went 2 see it last night and IT WAS GOOD. It was just as good as the play and included some ofthe same jokes through it. The ending was much better than the play's version also.
I saw it at a theater with just about only black women in it (except for me  and my ex boyfriend), and the emotions and energy of the audience to everything that was ahppening to the woman made it even more enjoyable.
It was a really good film and Tyler Perry brought the play to life just as much, Madea's got it going on!  
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Really....
I've only heard horror stories about the movie. Someone showed me a tape of the play and it was entertaining.... | |
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I've heard the same, Rhondab. I haven't had any inkling of want to see it for some reason even before hearing anything. Just not my cup of tea I guess. I do know someone I am really close to wants to see it badly, but she may end up having to see it with one of her girls. I am MrVictor.... | |
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Rhondab said: Really....
I've only heard horror stories about the movie. Someone showed me a tape of the play and it was entertaining.... If u like d the play then u will love the movie it is just as good. I read the reviews and it seems like they dont have an understanding of Tyler Perry or Madea's plays and came to the theater thinking it was going to be a love/drama. Tyler Perry's plays are comedy/drama/ and very beautiful soulful singing inbetween skits. It seems as if they dont know nothing about that so they dont understand. 
Trust me it is a GOOD movie, very funny. Sort of predictable obviously, but if u been with a man that did u wrong and u want to get him back..it is the perfect movie. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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xpsiter said: I've heard the same, Rhondab. I haven't had any inkling of want to see it for some reason even before hearing anything. Just not my cup of tea I guess. I do know someone I am really close to wants to see it badly, but she may end up having to see it with one of her girls.
I think that you should go and check it out for yourself. Remember that it is only your opinion that counts. Your views are different than other peoples views. So don't let anybody else review of the movie keep you from going.  | |
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bwnladybug said: xpsiter said: I've heard the same, Rhondab. I haven't had any inkling of want to see it for some reason even before hearing anything. Just not my cup of tea I guess. I do know someone I am really close to wants to see it badly, but she may end up having to see it with one of her girls.
I think that you should go and check it out for yourself. Remember that it is only your opinion that counts. Your views are different than other peoples views. So don't let anybody else review of the movie keep you from going. Got dat rite. A good movie! Every1 I know who have seen it says that is was funny and good too. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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I've seen the billboards at downtown BART stations for a month, which got my attention. I saw "Madea's Family Reunion" about a month ago, and it was hilarious. The few reviews I've heard or read for the most part have been positive. I might watch it today after work. "Funkyslsistah… you ain't funky at all, you just a little ol' prude"!
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funkyslsistah said: I've seen the billboards at downtown BART stations for a month, which got my attention. I saw "Madea's Family Reunion" about a month ago, and it was hilarious. The few reviews I've heard or read for the most part have been positive. I might watch it today after work.
Go ahead, its a good time 
Madea is so so good. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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I've had my reservations about this movie....
Is it full of stereotypical images of our people or a good peek into our culture?? I am tired of seeing the negativity adorning our people in the media and entertainment. I have had enough of that shit. It seems to me from the title they are just contributing to the emotions of black women and their thoughts on black men....but I could be wrong. Am I?? The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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I've not seen the movie, but I read the following article by Roger Ebert a couple of days ago. He gave the film a negative review, and this is a summary of the responses (some positive, many angry) he got. It's a read, though interesting:
WHO IS THIS MAD BLACK WOMAN? BY ROGER EBERT / March 2, 2005 Well, now I know who Tyler Perry is. Last Friday I published a negative one-star review of “Diary of a Mad Black Woman,” and since then I have received more e-mails than about any review I have ever written, out numbering “Fahrenheit 9/11”and “Passion of the Christ” put together. And they were not all the same message, generated by some web site or its followers. Each manifestly came from an individual reader who felt moved to write. Some sent references to a recent National Public Radio report on Perry, “America’s most successful unknown playwright.” Others referred me to the movie’s extraordinary message board at Yahoo – where, after more than two months in release, “Being Julia” has generated 52 messages and an average grade of C-plus, and “Diary of a Mad Black Woman,” after four days in release, has more than 2,100 messages and a grade of A-minus. Many of the messages say versions of the same thing: White critics don’t get it. We don’t know who Tyler Perry is, we have never heard of the millions of dollars his plays have grossed all over America, in theaters, churches, school halls and on DVD, and – most of all – we don’t know that characters like his Madea are based on strong black women the writers are all familiar with. To back up a second: “Diary of a Mad Black Woman,” which opened Friday and will win the box office contest this week with an estimated gross over $25 million, is a movie starring Kimberly Elise as Helen, the wife of a rich African-American attorney (Steve Harris). After 18 years of marriage and verbal abuse, he dumps her for another woman (Lisa Marcos) who has two kids – all the more painful, because her miscarriages were caused by his mistreatment. The movie, up to this point, is a strong family drama that had engaged my sympathy. Then Helen flees into the arms of her grandmother, Madea, played in drag by playwright Tyler Perry, who (I quote myself) “is built along the lines of a linebacker … a tall, lantern-jawed, smooth-skinned, balloon-breasted gargoyle with a bad wig, who likes to wave a loaded gun and shoot test rounds into the ceiling.” Madea visits the cheating husband’s house to destroy his furniture with a chain-saw. I ended: “I've been reviewing movies for a long time, and I can't think of one that more dramatically shoots itself in the foot.” Other critics agreed with me. At rottentomatoes.com, where only 23 of 78 critics liked the film, we read: * "This isn't a situation in which the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing. It's more like they're not even part of the same body." -- Robert Denerstein, Rocky Mountain News * "A crudely made hodgepodge of rank clichés that veers between shrill melodrama, glossy soap opera, and broad, sitcom-level comedy." -- Timothy Knight, Reel.com * "Stay clear of this mess." -- Lou Lumenick, New York Post * “Sure, I laughed. Yes, I cried. But mostly I just wanted to throw up.” – Michael O’Sullivan, Washington Post * "Blows to the head are delivered with more subtlety than the message of ‘Diary of a Mad Black Woman’." -- Wesley Morris, Boston Globe All clueless white critics? No, Morris is an African-American, who knows who Tyler Perry is and compares Madea to Martin Lawrence’s character in “Big Momma’s House.” He adds, “Perry's brand of touring '’urban’ theater has made him a star in black America. I've seen a couple of his shows on DVD while waiting to get my hair cut at the barbershop. On the stage, their overall hamminess wears down your resistance, and the frisky interplay with the live audience makes them passable fun. A precise double take is always good for a big laugh. But there's nothing precise about the movie that director Darren Grant has made of '’Diary’." The e-mails I’ve received are more direct: As a white man, I’m told, I am clueless to understand that strong older women, who have had to be tough to survive in hard times, are familiar in all African-American families, and do not conform to the genteel manners of the art-house crowd. More than one writer, especially on the Yahoo message boards, calls me and other critics of the film racist. “Y U B Hating?” is one headline. Demon2002 writes: “Look some of you really need to stop (white people) especially those of you with your racist comments about all blacks in the ghetto. I'm willing to bet my entire direct deposit pay, which is probably substantially more than many of you will see in three months that you didn't see this movie… I hate that home computers have been made so accessible in price that the lower class and closed-minded whites are spewing foolishness across the net.” Deborah Young of Overland Park, Kansas, was friendlier and more helpful in a message direct to my Answer Man column: “Sure, Madea is an exaggeration. At the same time, there's a lot about Madea that rings true for me. As an African-American woman, I've seen many tamer versions of Madea, women who refused to settle for anything less than their birthrights (respect, consideration and fair treatment). Sometimes these women can get a little rough, knock some heads together, so to speak, but they can be endearing as well. It's clear that other black viewers share my views. Tyler Perry's touring stage plays and DVDs have grossed millions. Why? Because black audiences can identify with Madea. They recognize her as a larger-than-life version of some of the no-nonsense, good-hearted aunts, mamas or grannies they've known and loved.” At a pre-Oscar party honoring Ebony’s 60th anniversary last Thursday, I talked with producer Reuben Cannon, whose credits include the wonderful “Down in the Delta” and “The Women of Brewster Place.” At the Indie Spirits, I talked with Kimberly Elise. They also worked together on “Woman, Thou Art Loosed” (2004), based on a screenplay and co-starring Bishop T. D. Jakes, another icon of the black community not widely known to whites. That was a much better movie, proving (as “Diary” and “Beloved” do) that Elise is a gifted actress. But it has no Madea, and grossed $6.7 million domestically, a figure “Diary” passed on its opening day. Cannon and Elise were awfully nice to me, under the circumstances. Perhaps the fact that their movie was #1 at the box office helped. Cannon knew about my review but wasn’t angry. He said “Diary” was intended as a mixture of genres, a movie that would defy convention. They were aware when they made it that Madea was on a different reality level than the other characters, but the formula had been wildly popular in productions of Perry’s plays, and they wanted the film to capitalize on the enormous popularity of Perry and (especially) Madea. I have re-read my original review, and see no need to change a word. It expresses what I think about “Diary,” and a critic is worthless if he starts writing what he thinks his readers want to read. He becomes the dummy and his readers become ventriloquists. But the outpouring of dissent about “Diary” has me thinking in another direction. The assumption beneath my review was that a movie should discover the correct tone for its material, and stick to it. I was grabbed at the outset by the plight of the Kimberley Elise character, was moved by her despair, was touched by the character of her mother, played by Cecily Tyson, and I recoiled every time Madea came charging in like a train wreck. Yet the most successful film industry on earth, India’s Bollywood, deliberately mixes genres. “You get everything in one film,” my Mumbai friend Uma de Cuhna told me. “Diary of a Mad Black Woman” provides melodrama, romance, scandal, the escapism of a lavish lifestyle, a message of forgiveness, and the larger-than-life Madea, whose pot-smoking doesn’t seem to bother the Christian church audiences who make up a large part of Perry’s fan base. It’s not supposed to be all of a piece, told with a consistent tone. It’s more like a variety show. And Madea is no more supposed to be a “real” African-American grandmother than Dame Edna Everage is supposed to be a “real” Australian housewife. Okay, I get it. I refuse to accept the theory that I am racist because I disliked the film (many of the Yahoo messages attack the notion that racism belongs in the discussion). But I do realize that Tyler Perry is under the radar of the white-dominated media, and that the loss of Elvis Mitchell at the New York Times leaves us with only a handful of black critics (Morris, Desson Thomson at the Washington Post, Armand White at the New York Press, and 3BlackChicks.com, for example). Doesn’t it seem like there ought to be more mainstream black film critics than black Oscar nominees? Unfortunately, White, Thomson and all three black chicks have not reviewed the film, and it’s by no means certain that Mitchell would have praised it. In the New York Press, White’s stablemate Matt Zoller Seitz writes: “This may prove to be a slow-building cult phenomenon that endures withering pans but lingers in theaters for weeks, eventually forcing the same critics who dismissed it to write think-pieces explaining its success.” The ink is scarcely dry on his review, and here I am, doing just that. Do I think I failed “Diary of a Mad Black Woman” in my duty as a critic? No, because (1) I told you honestly what I thought about it, and (2) I provided a good idea of what’s in the movie, so that readers can decide they’d like it even if I didn’t. My crime seems to have been disliking Madea. But I don’t dislike her – I simply can’t stand her in this movie. I would like to see Kimberly Elise in a serious drama that gives range to her considerable gifts, and Madea in a comedy. But not in the same movie, please. | |
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I was so disappointed in my wife for spending money on this flick (she saw it with friends).
But she said she enjoyed it!  | |
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i am very very concerned by the success of this film and the fandom like responce that people seem to be getting for disliking it..
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OdysseyMiles said: I was so disappointed in my wife for spending money on this flick (she saw it with friends).
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RipHer2Shreds said: I've not seen the movie, but I read the following article by Roger Ebert a couple of days ago. He gave the film a negative review, and this is a summary of the responses (some positive, many angry) he got. It's a read, though interesting:
WHO IS THIS MAD BLACK WOMAN? BY ROGER EBERT / March 2, 2005 Well, now I know who Tyler Perry is. Last Friday I published a negative one-star review of “Diary of a Mad Black Woman,” and since then I have received more e-mails than about any review I have ever written, out numbering “Fahrenheit 9/11”and “Passion of the Christ” put together. And they were not all the same message, generated by some web site or its followers. Each manifestly came from an individual reader who felt moved to write. Some sent references to a recent National Public Radio report on Perry, “America’s most successful unknown playwright.” Others referred me to the movie’s extraordinary message board at Yahoo – where, after more than two months in release, “Being Julia” has generated 52 messages and an average grade of C-plus, and “Diary of a Mad Black Woman,” after four days in release, has more than 2,100 messages and a grade of A-minus. Many of the messages say versions of the same thing: White critics don’t get it. We don’t know who Tyler Perry is, we have never heard of the millions of dollars his plays have grossed all over America, in theaters, churches, school halls and on DVD, and – most of all – we don’t know that characters like his Madea are based on strong black women the writers are all familiar with. To back up a second: “Diary of a Mad Black Woman,” which opened Friday and will win the box office contest this week with an estimated gross over $25 million, is a movie starring Kimberly Elise as Helen, the wife of a rich African-American attorney (Steve Harris). After 18 years of marriage and verbal abuse, he dumps her for another woman (Lisa Marcos) who has two kids – all the more painful, because her miscarriages were caused by his mistreatment. The movie, up to this point, is a strong family drama that had engaged my sympathy. Then Helen flees into the arms of her grandmother, Madea, played in drag by playwright Tyler Perry, who (I quote myself) “is built along the lines of a linebacker … a tall, lantern-jawed, smooth-skinned, balloon-breasted gargoyle with a bad wig, who likes to wave a loaded gun and shoot test rounds into the ceiling.” Madea visits the cheating husband’s house to destroy his furniture with a chain-saw. I ended: “I've been reviewing movies for a long time, and I can't think of one that more dramatically shoots itself in the foot.” Other critics agreed with me. At rottentomatoes.com, where only 23 of 78 critics liked the film, we read: * "This isn't a situation in which the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing. It's more like they're not even part of the same body." -- Robert Denerstein, Rocky Mountain News * "A crudely made hodgepodge of rank clichés that veers between shrill melodrama, glossy soap opera, and broad, sitcom-level comedy." -- Timothy Knight, Reel.com * "Stay clear of this mess." -- Lou Lumenick, New York Post * “Sure, I laughed. Yes, I cried. But mostly I just wanted to throw up.” – Michael O’Sullivan, Washington Post * "Blows to the head are delivered with more subtlety than the message of ‘Diary of a Mad Black Woman’." -- Wesley Morris, Boston Globe All clueless white critics? No, Morris is an African-American, who knows who Tyler Perry is and compares Madea to Martin Lawrence’s character in “Big Momma’s House.” He adds, “Perry's brand of touring '’urban’ theater has made him a star in black America. I've seen a couple of his shows on DVD while waiting to get my hair cut at the barbershop. On the stage, their overall hamminess wears down your resistance, and the frisky interplay with the live audience makes them passable fun. A precise double take is always good for a big laugh. But there's nothing precise about the movie that director Darren Grant has made of '’Diary’." The e-mails I’ve received are more direct: As a white man, I’m told, I am clueless to understand that strong older women, who have had to be tough to survive in hard times, are familiar in all African-American families, and do not conform to the genteel manners of the art-house crowd. More than one writer, especially on the Yahoo message boards, calls me and other critics of the film racist. “Y U B Hating?” is one headline. Demon2002 writes: “Look some of you really need to stop (white people) especially those of you with your racist comments about all blacks in the ghetto. I'm willing to bet my entire direct deposit pay, which is probably substantially more than many of you will see in three months that you didn't see this movie… I hate that home computers have been made so accessible in price that the lower class and closed-minded whites are spewing foolishness across the net.” Deborah Young of Overland Park, Kansas, was friendlier and more helpful in a message direct to my Answer Man column: “Sure, Madea is an exaggeration. At the same time, there's a lot about Madea that rings true for me. As an African-American woman, I've seen many tamer versions of Madea, women who refused to settle for anything less than their birthrights (respect, consideration and fair treatment). Sometimes these women can get a little rough, knock some heads together, so to speak, but they can be endearing as well. It's clear that other black viewers share my views. Tyler Perry's touring stage plays and DVDs have grossed millions. Why? Because black audiences can identify with Madea. They recognize her as a larger-than-life version of some of the no-nonsense, good-hearted aunts, mamas or grannies they've known and loved.” At a pre-Oscar party honoring Ebony’s 60th anniversary last Thursday, I talked with producer Reuben Cannon, whose credits include the wonderful “Down in the Delta” and “The Women of Brewster Place.” At the Indie Spirits, I talked with Kimberly Elise. They also worked together on “Woman, Thou Art Loosed” (2004), based on a screenplay and co-starring Bishop T. D. Jakes, another icon of the black community not widely known to whites. That was a much better movie, proving (as “Diary” and “Beloved” do) that Elise is a gifted actress. But it has no Madea, and grossed $6.7 million domestically, a figure “Diary” passed on its opening day. Cannon and Elise were awfully nice to me, under the circumstances. Perhaps the fact that their movie was #1 at the box office helped. Cannon knew about my review but wasn’t angry. He said “Diary” was intended as a mixture of genres, a movie that would defy convention. They were aware when they made it that Madea was on a different reality level than the other characters, but the formula had been wildly popular in productions of Perry’s plays, and they wanted the film to capitalize on the enormous popularity of Perry and (especially) Madea. I have re-read my original review, and see no need to change a word. It expresses what I think about “Diary,” and a critic is worthless if he starts writing what he thinks his readers want to read. He becomes the dummy and his readers become ventriloquists. But the outpouring of dissent about “Diary” has me thinking in another direction. The assumption beneath my review was that a movie should discover the correct tone for its material, and stick to it. I was grabbed at the outset by the plight of the Kimberley Elise character, was moved by her despair, was touched by the character of her mother, played by Cecily Tyson, and I recoiled every time Madea came charging in like a train wreck. Yet the most successful film industry on earth, India’s Bollywood, deliberately mixes genres. “You get everything in one film,” my Mumbai friend Uma de Cuhna told me. “Diary of a Mad Black Woman” provides melodrama, romance, scandal, the escapism of a lavish lifestyle, a message of forgiveness, and the larger-than-life Madea, whose pot-smoking doesn’t seem to bother the Christian church audiences who make up a large part of Perry’s fan base. It’s not supposed to be all of a piece, told with a consistent tone. It’s more like a variety show. And Madea is no more supposed to be a “real” African-American grandmother than Dame Edna Everage is supposed to be a “real” Australian housewife. Okay, I get it. I refuse to accept the theory that I am racist because I disliked the film (many of the Yahoo messages attack the notion that racism belongs in the discussion). But I do realize that Tyler Perry is under the radar of the white-dominated media, and that the loss of Elvis Mitchell at the New York Times leaves us with only a handful of black critics (Morris, Desson Thomson at the Washington Post, Armand White at the New York Press, and 3BlackChicks.com, for example). Doesn’t it seem like there ought to be more mainstream black film critics than black Oscar nominees? Unfortunately, White, Thomson and all three black chicks have not reviewed the film, and it’s by no means certain that Mitchell would have praised it. In the New York Press, White’s stablemate Matt Zoller Seitz writes: “This may prove to be a slow-building cult phenomenon that endures withering pans but lingers in theaters for weeks, eventually forcing the same critics who dismissed it to write think-pieces explaining its success.” The ink is scarcely dry on his review, and here I am, doing just that. Do I think I failed “Diary of a Mad Black Woman” in my duty as a critic? No, because (1) I told you honestly what I thought about it, and (2) I provided a good idea of what’s in the movie, so that readers can decide they’d like it even if I didn’t. My crime seems to have been disliking Madea. But I don’t dislike her – I simply can’t stand her in this movie. I would like to see Kimberly Elise in a serious drama that gives range to her considerable gifts, and Madea in a comedy. But not in the same movie, please. Even though they are notable critics. You have to see it for yourself. | |
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bwnladybug said: OdysseyMiles said: I was so disappointed in my wife for spending money on this flick (she saw it with friends).
But she said she enjoyed it! But did you go and see it? That is the Question of U. The answer is nizzo. | |
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I dont understand the critics hatred 4 the movie while all the fans on the net love it  Well I guess it is split in 1/2. I cant wait 4 the DVD Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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paisleypark4 said: I dont understand the critics hatred 4 the movie while all the fans on the net love it
Well I guess it is split in 1/2. I cant wait 4 the DVD why are you suprised? most of hollywood's summer blockbusters are shredded by critics...i think the difference here is that the fans of the film are insisting that Diary Of A Mad Black Woman is quality filmmaking when in fact its got a horrible premise, horrible acting by the guy in drag, and unbelievable premise.... but thats all right....enjoy the film...i just have issue with the fans that are screaming racism because film critics are thrashing this thing.... so not coolio!! nobody said racism was in play when Howard the Duck or Hudson Hawk got ravaged.. Space for sale... | |
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It concerns me when it takes a stereotype-full film to make black people flock to the theatres. Were was the crowd when Beloved came out? Where were they when Rosewood came out? Where were they when Trois came out? What about Brother to Brother? All I'm saying is: if we're going to be taken seriously, we need to support all "Black" films. Not just the silly ones.
Sidebar: I had hoped Tyler would use his money to back a more significantly purposeful film. "Pedro offers you his protection." | |
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mochalox said: It concerns me when it takes a stereotype-full film to make black people flock to the theatres. Were was the crowd when Beloved came out? Where were they when Rosewood came out? Where were they when Trois came out? What about Brother to Brother? All I'm saying is: if we're going to be taken seriously, we need to support all "Black" films. Not just the silly ones.
Sidebar: I had hoped Tyler would use his money to back a more significantly purposeful film. 
its a shame that hollywood's most promising director (black or white), kasi lemmons, cant get a third film made.....Eve's Bayou and Cavesman Valentine were wonderful films that were completly ignored by the african american community and the african american hollywood community...still pains me to know that Eve's Bayou lost every single one of its NAACP awards...to fuckin Soul Food? Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said:[quote] mochalox said: It concerns me when it takes a stereotype-full film to make black people flock to the theatres. Were was the crowd when Beloved came out? Where were they when Rosewood came out? Where were they when Trois came out? What about Brother to Brother? All I'm saying is: if we're going to be taken seriously, we need to support all "Black" films. Not just the silly ones.
Sidebar: I had hoped Tyler would use his money to back a more significantly purposeful film.
its a shame that hollywood's most promising director (black or white), kasi lemmons, cant get a third film made.....Eve's Bayou and Cavesman Valentine were wonderful films that were completly ignored by the african american community and the african american hollywood community...still pains me to know that Eve's Bayou lost every single one of its NAACP awards...to fuckin Soul Food? [/quote
You just can't make a blank statement when it comes to movies made by African American's. I support all of the movies that were made by them weather it is good or bad. Brwn | |
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sosgemini said: mochalox said: It concerns me when it takes a stereotype-full film to make black people flock to the theatres. Were was the crowd when Beloved came out? Where were they when Rosewood came out? Where were they when Trois came out? What about Brother to Brother? All I'm saying is: if we're going to be taken seriously, we need to support all "Black" films. Not just the silly ones.
Sidebar: I had hoped Tyler would use his money to back a more significantly purposeful film.
its a shame that hollywood's most promising director (black or white), kasi lemmons, cant get a third film made.....Eve's Bayou and Cavesman Valentine were wonderful films that were completly ignored by the african american community and the african american hollywood community...still pains me to know that Eve's Bayou lost every single one of its NAACP awards...to fuckin Soul Food? Eve's Bayou is an amazing film, and the best first film from a director in a very long time (though I was very impressed by Bill Paxton's work on Frailty). Very few people gave that film the respect it was due. | |
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mochalox said: It concerns me when it takes a stereotype-full film to make black people flock to the theatres. Were was the crowd when Beloved came out? Where were they when Rosewood came out? Where were they when Trois came out? What about Brother to Brother? All I'm saying is: if we're going to be taken seriously, we need to support all "Black" films. Not just the silly ones.
Sidebar: I had hoped Tyler would use his money to back a more significantly purposeful film. I had this very conversation with my best friend the other night. Nobody went to see Hotel Rwanda. No one went to see Caveman's Valentine. No one went to see Woman Thou Art Loosed. I probably could name at least ten other really good films.
I was really ticked off when they called Ebert a racist. I saw Madea's Family Reunion and thought it truly sucked. 
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sosgemini said: paisleypark4 said: I dont understand the critics hatred 4 the movie while all the fans on the net love it
Well I guess it is split in 1/2. I cant wait 4 the DVD why are you suprised? most of hollywood's summer blockbusters are shredded by critics...i think the difference here is that the fans of the film are insisting that Diary Of A Mad Black Woman is quality filmmaking when in fact its got a horrible premise, horrible acting by the guy in drag, and unbelievable premise.... but thats all right....enjoy the film...i just have issue with the fans that are screaming racism because film critics are thrashing this thing.... so not coolio!! nobody said racism was in play when Howard the Duck or Hudson Hawk got ravaged.. THANK YOU!! People need to not be so quick to scream racism where it doesn't apply - it only weakens the actual instances where racism IS real & relevant b/c people get tired of the accusation being thrown around so easily.
My cousin is BEGGING me to go see this film, wants to take the whole family  I don't wanna see this shit. It looks silly to me. If the characters were White I wouldn't see it either - it's about the story for me, not just that it's a Black film. As much as I support Black films & filmmakers you can't just throw out any old thing & expect my money. I didn't show up for Soul Plane & I'm not showing up for this one.
Yet did my cousin go see Antwone Fisher?? No Did she take the whole family? Of course not, but they wanna flock to this shit?? PLEEZE...    I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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mochalox said: It concerns me when it takes a stereotype-full film to make black people flock to the theatres. Were was the crowd when Beloved came out? Where were they when Rosewood came out? Where were they when Trois came out? What about Brother to Brother? All I'm saying is: if we're going to be taken seriously, we need to support all "Black" films. Not just the silly ones.
Sidebar: I had hoped Tyler would use his money to back a more significantly purposeful film. I agree w/ you BUT (to play devil's advocate  ) I have to say that as good a message that "Rosewood" had, it wasn't a good film IMO. John Singleton hasn't made a good film since Boyz... And "Trois" was shit too, come on now
It's funny though, I get RAGGED ON from friends about how picky I am when it comes to Black films. It's unbelievable to me when people give me shit for not clamoring to see what Master P is up to  We stil have a way to go. I'm happy when Black films get out there but just b/c a film is positive doesn't make it good, it needs to hit on all points. I want a good story like anybody else. I fucking hated "Caveman's Valentine", but "Eve's Bayou" was fantastic  I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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CalhounSq said: sosgemini said: why are you suprised? most of hollywood's summer blockbusters are shredded by critics...i think the difference here is that the fans of the film are insisting that Diary Of A Mad Black Woman is quality filmmaking when in fact its got a horrible premise, horrible acting by the guy in drag, and unbelievable premise.... but thats all right....enjoy the film...i just have issue with the fans that are screaming racism because film critics are thrashing this thing.... so not coolio!! nobody said racism was in play when Howard the Duck or Hudson Hawk got ravaged.. THANK YOU!! People need to not be so quick to scream racism where it doesn't apply - it only weakens the actual instances where racism IS real & relevant b/c people get tired of the accusation being thrown around so easily.
My cousin is BEGGING me to go see this film, wants to take the whole family I don't wanna see this shit. It looks silly to me. If the characters were White I wouldn't see it either - it's about the story for me, not just that it's a Black film. As much as I support Black films & filmmakers you can't just throw out any old thing & expect my money. I didn't show up for Soul Plane & I'm not showing up for this one.
Yet did my cousin go see Antwone Fisher?? No Did she take the whole family? Of course not, but they wanna flock to this shit?? PLEEZE... It's really fucked up that we are expected to support just any damn thing. Antwone Fisher was a great movie that everyone should have seen but most didn't. | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: CalhounSq said: THANK YOU!! People need to not be so quick to scream racism where it doesn't apply - it only weakens the actual instances where racism IS real & relevant b/c people get tired of the accusation being thrown around so easily.
My cousin is BEGGING me to go see this film, wants to take the whole family I don't wanna see this shit. It looks silly to me. If the characters were White I wouldn't see it either - it's about the story for me, not just that it's a Black film. As much as I support Black films & filmmakers you can't just throw out any old thing & expect my money. I didn't show up for Soul Plane & I'm not showing up for this one.
Yet did my cousin go see Antwone Fisher?? No Did she take the whole family? Of course not, but they wanna flock to this shit?? PLEEZE... It's really fucked up that we are expected to support just any damn thing. Antwone Fisher was a great movie that everyone should have seen but most didn't.I dont care if it is black or not. Dark Blue was a good movie nobody hardly saw. From Hell by those 2 black twins was a good movie alot of black people didnt see. I didnt see Eve's Bayou becuz I was too young too see it and I never paid attention to drama's back then. I did see most of Beloved and it was good, though me and my partner were talking or sumthin and I fell asleep on it. It was entertaining tho'. I havent seen Rosewood either. I havent seen Spike Lee's new "She Hate Me" though I am a big fan of Spike. No one saw "Bamboozled" but I LOVED that movie! And I believe every black person should see it. Anyway Diary is a cool funny, memorable movie fun for the whole family. End of my case. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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bwnladybug said:[quote] sosgemini said: mochalox said: It concerns me when it takes a stereotype-full film to make black people flock to the theatres. Were was the crowd when Beloved came out? Where were they when Rosewood came out? Where were they when Trois came out? What about Brother to Brother? All I'm saying is: if we're going to be taken seriously, we need to support all "Black" films. Not just the silly ones.
Sidebar: I had hoped Tyler would use his money to back a more significantly purposeful film.
its a shame that hollywood's most promising director (black or white), kasi lemmons, cant get a third film made.....Eve's Bayou and Cavesman Valentine were wonderful films that were completly ignored by the african american community and the african american hollywood community...still pains me to know that Eve's Bayou lost every single one of its NAACP awards...to fuckin Soul Food? [/quote
You just can't make a blank statement when it comes to movies made by African American's. I support all of the movies that were made by them weather it is good or bad. Brwn while i respect your right i can not agree with it...i respect Roger Eberts opinion on films....There are times when I read one of his reviews and will ignore what he has to say and still see a movie. But if he makes a convincing explenation for me *not* to see a film (as he did with Diary) i will not go see it...And a film like Diary doesnt speak to me. I enjoy going to movies to be challenged. To think.....I understand that some people go to movies for escapism. And thats fine. But if a film perpetuates stereotypes or cheats its audience then I think everybody should avoid it. Dont support it just because a black person made it. Roger Ebert is one of African American filmmaker's biggest supporters. Some of his number one picks of the year of recent: Monster's Ball Eve's Bayou Do The Right Thing Films he supported by pushing them in the media: Badass Hotel Rwanda All of Spike Lee's catalog Boys N Da Hood heck, Roger Eberts wife is black (something Gene Siskel would call him out on for always picking african american themed films at the top of his best of the year list)... So for supporters of Diary to call Roger Ebert racist is just disgusting.... Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: bwnladybug said:
its a shame that hollywood's most promising director (black or white), kasi lemmons, cant get a third film made.....Eve's Bayou and Cavesman Valentine were wonderful films that were completly ignored by the african american community and the african american hollywood community...still pains me to know that Eve's Bayou lost every single one of its NAACP awards...to fuckin Soul Food? [/quote
You just can't make a blank statement when it comes to movies made by African American's. I support all of the movies that were made by them weather it is good or bad. Brwn while i respect your right i can not agree with it...i respect Roger Eberts opinion on films....There are times when I read one of his reviews and will ignore what he has to say and still see a movie. But if he makes a convincing explenation for me *not* to see a film (as he did with Diary) i will not go see it...And a film like Diary doesnt speak to me. I enjoy going to movies to be challenged. To think.....I understand that some people go to movies for escapism. And thats fine. But if a film perpetuates stereotypes or cheats its audience then I think everybody should avoid it. Dont support it just because a black person made it. Roger Ebert is one of African American filmmaker's biggest supporters. Some of his number one picks of the year of recent: Monster's Ball Eve's Bayou Do The Right Thing Films he supported by pushing them in the media: Badass Hotel Rwanda All of Spike Lee's catalog Boys N Da Hood heck, Roger Eberts wife is black (something Gene Siskel would call him out on for always picking african american themed films at the top of his best of the year list)... So for supporters of Diary to call Roger Ebert racist is just disgusting.... Man, Ebert likes some Black films that I can't even deal with He's really one of the most fair critics of all kinds of films IMO (not that I follow film criticism closely, but as far as popular critics I really dig him). He is NOT anti-Black by any means... I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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paisleypark4 said: I dont care if it is black or not. Dark Blue was a good movie nobody hardly saw. From Hell by those 2 black twins was a good movie alot of black people didnt see. I didnt see Eve's Bayou becuz I was too young too see it and I never paid attention to drama's back then. I did see most of Beloved and it was good, though me and my partner were talking or sumthin and I fell asleep on it. It was entertaining tho'.
I havent seen Rosewood either. I havent seen Spike Lee's new "She Hate Me" though I am a big fan of Spike. No one saw "Bamboozled" but I LOVED that movie! And I believe every black person should see it. Anyway Diary is a cool funny, memorable movie fun for the whole family. End of my case. Never even heard of "Dark Blue"
"From Hell" was good, Hughes Bros. are solid filmmakers... "Beloved" was boring to me, I want Oprah to vary her characters a bit more (though I understand the need for the portrayal, I'm tired of seeing HER do it)... Missed "She Hate Me" in the theater, still kicking myself for that one 
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sosgemini said: bwnladybug said:
its a shame that hollywood's most promising director (black or white), kasi lemmons, cant get a third film made.....Eve's Bayou and Cavesman Valentine were wonderful films that were completly ignored by the african american community and the african american hollywood community...still pains me to know that Eve's Bayou lost every single one of its NAACP awards...to fuckin Soul Food? [/quote
You just can't make a blank statement when it comes to movies made by African American's. I support all of the movies that were made by them weather it is good or bad. Brwn while i respect your right i can not agree with it...i respect Roger Eberts opinion on films....There are times when I read one of his reviews and will ignore what he has to say and still see a movie. But if he makes a convincing explenation for me *not* to see a film (as he did with Diary) i will not go see it...And a film like Diary doesnt speak to me. I enjoy going to movies to be challenged. To think.....I understand that some people go to movies for escapism. And thats fine. But if a film perpetuates stereotypes or cheats its audience then I think everybody should avoid it. Dont support it just because a black person made it. Roger Ebert is one of African American filmmaker's biggest supporters. Some of his number one picks of the year of recent: Monster's Ball Eve's Bayou Do The Right Thing Films he supported by pushing them in the media: Badass Hotel Rwanda All of Spike Lee's catalog Boys N Da Hood heck, Roger Eberts wife is black (something Gene Siskel would call him out on for always picking african american themed films at the top of his best of the year list)... So for supporters of Diary to call Roger Ebert racist is just disgusting.... I never thought he was racist...but I just don't believe he has actually seen a Madea paly obviously and probably will never have an intention to see one. They are very good and sometimes extremely funny....plus they have great great gospel, soulful interludes. Now on one hand. This movie has black stereotypes yeah but EVERY BLACK MOVIE has black stereotypes...ITS BECAUSE IT IS TRUE AT TIMES. That's why it is funny to us black folks, because we have been there or we know someone just like that. It is like a chance to enjoy ourselves and laugh and overexaggerated observations. i.e. In Diary..after the 'Divorce Court' scene as they were leaving, the judge said, "next up Bobby Brown!" (Whiteny in the background Bobbaay! BOBBAAAY!" "Ms. Houston u have to sit down!!" 
Anyway Roger is not racist he just misunderstood. I'm just gonn flat out say, if u are uptight, misunderstood and dont understand Madea or her plays DONT SEE IT Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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