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Reply #30 posted 02/23/05 1:06pm

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Thank you for sharing this personal moment with us, love hug smile It was really wonderful of your sister to allow you to experience this with her. smile
I wish you, your new baby nephew and your entire family a lifetime of joy together hug Love you! rose
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Reply #31 posted 02/23/05 1:06pm

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I love the way you write about life and how it plays a part in your life moments... heart
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Reply #32 posted 02/23/05 1:09pm

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I love the way you write about life and how it plays a part in your life moments... heart

Thank you sweetheart hug
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Reply #33 posted 02/23/05 1:16pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

JediMaster said:

VERY nice, Supa!!! Congrats!!! A fantastic, beautiful description of a truly sacred experience!

Also, nice to see you give your step-dad props. I'm about to become a step-dad myself, and I'm already raising my fiancee's two kids. Its good to see that its appreciated down the line. I get some flack from folks who say stupid things like "well, you're not their REAL dad". Oh yeah? Well, their REAL dad is a loser junkie who thinks that being a good dad is giving them a phone call a few times a week for two minutes. I digress.

Anyhoo, mucho conratulations, my friend!!! woot!


I absolutely appreciate everything he did for us. I won't lie and tell you that there won't be issues you have to work through, not being the natural father and all, but kids definitely feel where the love is coming from and as long as you are understanding of the situation as a whole, you'll be one hell of a father to those kids and they will love you for it nod


Thank you so much! I really don't want to jack this thread and make it about this topic, but I truly appreciate your words. You are definitely encouraging, my friend!
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Reply #34 posted 02/23/05 1:20pm

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JediMaster said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:



I absolutely appreciate everything he did for us. I won't lie and tell you that there won't be issues you have to work through, not being the natural father and all, but kids definitely feel where the love is coming from and as long as you are understanding of the situation as a whole, you'll be one hell of a father to those kids and they will love you for it nod


Thank you so much! I really don't want to jack this thread and make it about this topic, but I truly appreciate your words. You are definitely encouraging, my friend!

Well my post is but one piece of a larger puzzle. All roads are welcome for discussion hug
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Reply #35 posted 02/23/05 1:35pm

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supa... i think thats AWESOME woot! im so very happy for all of you.. and yes, childbirth can be a very moving thing for sure rose

it struck me very interesting to read this.. because, when i had my son, my brother was the one who filmed it for me touched i can only hope that the process had that kind of affect on him as well... what i do know is that our family really 'came together' for quite a while after that. we have always been 'close' ya know... but, something about that day shrug i cant really explain it - but, it really made the entire family seem more joined to be there and guide our newest member in together heart

we have since had several babies in the family, and each one is truely a blessing... but, i will always remember the look in the eyes of my younger brother and sister who had not yet had children of their own... and the look of happiness that came from my mother - the woman that knew all along what a wonderful, truely beautiful gift i had just recieved rose


best of wishes to you and yours.... may you always keep happiness in your hearts and remember what family is all about hug
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Reply #36 posted 02/23/05 1:59pm

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Byron said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


unfortunately men have wreaked havoc on our family units and it really is so moving to see a man who is really there and who really wants to be the other half in this child's life. He's already got so much more than most of us have had. And for that I am absolutely grateful nod

A big thank you to my step-dad for taking that role in our lives. Thank you Vern hug


I understand what you're both saying...but I do have to say that there are literally millions of men who do appreciate this experience and don't view it as disgusting...it's not as rare as you may fear it is. smile sun


I have to second this. While there are many "jerks" or even "scared" men out there. I personally was there for almost literally every single second of all three of my daughters births. And all three times I was right there actually helping out and saw everything.

With our first daughter, my wife was in labor at the hospital for 25 hours before she gave birth. I was with her the whole time, the only times I left the room was to grab a quick bit to eat or go to the bathroom. You know you have been there a long time when you go through 3 shifts of nurses.

For our second daughter my wife's water broke (I remember it being an early Sunday morning and my wife went to the bathroom and all I heard was "Oh Shit"! Which was funny and scary at the same time since my wife moslty only speaks Spanish) and they had to induce labor, which she was in for 21 hours. Again I was right there the whole time.

Out third daughter was the quickest at 9 hours! Even though it was only 9 hours, it was one of the roughest ones because we had woken up very early (actually had been woken up by our two daughters at the time) because it was Christmas morning. After a very long day my wife went into labor just as we were about to go sleep. So by the time she had delivered 9 hours later we had both been up for over 24 hours again.

I have been there for my daughters and wife every moment since. My wife and I try to do everything with our daughters. We try to include them in everything. My oldest has even seen Prince twice (8th row and 2nd row!). On the very rare occasions when we cannot do something with our daughters, it just doesn't feel right.

I have even taken a job that pays a less (but still enough to provide for my family) and is less upwardly mobile; so I could get off of work every day at 3:00 in the afternoon to spend more time with my family, no overtime or weekends, is only 10 minutes away from my house, and is very flexible so I can chaperone for field trips for my daughters at school or attend any other events.

I understand where you are coming from Supa, and unfortunately there are way too many ass hole men out there, but I think there are much less than you percieve. At least I would like to hope so.

But just in case I try to teach my daughters everyday to love themselves first.

That at this point in their lives they can become anything they want to be (I'm starting to sound like an Army recruiter now). To live life to the fullest. That they control their own destiny. That any man or person that would ever abuse them physically or mentally or in any way or even lay one hand on them is not worth it, they deserve 1,000 time better.

I know a lot of cliches in there, but hopefully it works.

Oh yeah and conrgatulations to you and yours!
"Always blessings, never losses......"

Ya te dije....no manches guey!!!!!

mad I'm a guy!!!!

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Reply #37 posted 02/23/05 3:25pm

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Sowhat said:

With our first daughter, my wife was in labor at the hospital for 25 hours before she gave birth.


You are lucky she let your naughty bits anywhere near her hey-nanny-nanoo after this lol

My sister's lucky. Her water broke around 7:00 a.m. and she had the baby right before noon.

I'm sure you guys are right. But it seems more common to me that men can't let themselves connect. Not sure if that is the right way of describing it but maybe it has to do with my complete lack of sexual attraction towards the female body. I look at it differently. The blood and stuff was really nothing compared to the prize. Nothing at all...

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Reply #38 posted 02/23/05 3:25pm

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My daughters pregnant and due in May. I just couldnt help myself but I burst out crying when reading this my husband walked over wondering why then he read. My husband and I, thanku so much 4 sharing this with us. hug

Congrats Uncle supa Much Love 2 U and Ur family
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Reply #39 posted 02/23/05 3:27pm

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Supa love
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Reply #40 posted 02/23/05 3:27pm

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katt said:

My daughters pregnant and due in May. I just couldnt help myself but I burst out crying when reading this my husband walked over wondering why then he read. My husband and I, thanku so much 4 sharing this with us. hug

Congrats Uncle supa Much Love 2 U and Ur family


No sweat Katt! Was my complete pleasure hug

I wish all the best for you and your family and if you have never witnessed a birth, be there. It will be the most amazing thing you've ever done, aside from giving birth yourself of course wink
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Reply #41 posted 02/23/05 3:44pm

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supa that is fantastic cry

it brought back all the images and feelings from witnessing the birth of my niece and three years later my nephew.

the two births were very different but both amazing and wonderful. i would encourage anyone who has the opportunity to witness a baby being born to do it. you will never regret the experience.

i hope to be able to give my sister the same experience one day.

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doveShe couldn't stop crying 'cause she knew he was gone to stay dove
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Reply #42 posted 02/23/05 5:39pm

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Aww, honey. I'm so glad you got to have that experience. hug
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Reply #43 posted 02/24/05 7:53am

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touched that's so beautiful. i still look back with fond memories of my daughter's birth. it's true what they say, i have completely forgotten the pain of it all. (no epidurals here! biggrin )

so, what is his name supa?! and you have to ask your sister if you can put a pic or two up. we all want to see this beautiful baby.
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Reply #44 posted 02/24/05 9:27am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Sowhat said:

With our first daughter, my wife was in labor at the hospital for 25 hours before she gave birth.
You are lucky she let your naughty bits anywhere near her hey-nanny-nanoo after this lol




lol

This is so true!
"Always blessings, never losses......"

Ya te dije....no manches guey!!!!!

mad I'm a guy!!!!

"....i can open my-eyes "underwater"..there4 i will NOT drown...." - mzkqueen03 eek lol
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Reply #45 posted 02/24/05 9:40am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I'm sure you guys are right. But it seems more common to me that men can't let themselves connect. Not sure if that is the right way of describing it but maybe it has to do with my complete lack of sexual attraction towards the female body. I look at it differently. The blood and stuff was really nothing compared to the prize. Nothing at all...




Many of our opinions and perspectives are formed by our own life experiences. So if most of your experiences with men (Father figures) were bad, that is probably going to be your perspective about men.

To tell you the truth, I was very nervous with our first daughter because I was scared I wouldn't be able to be stong enough for my wife. I was worried the blood and fluids might freak me out. I did not want my wife to have to worry about being in labor and about her husband at the same time. But when the time came, it was no problem at all.

The blood and fluids did not bother me at all. What worried me more was everything my wife was going through and what the baby was going through. I could see the pain she was going through during the contractions, I could see how unconfortable she was and how tired she got.

With our first daughter, she almost got stuck on the way out. The head had come mostly out and then the Doctor had a worried look on her face. Then she said "I never had to perform a cesarian this far along before". Not what I wanted to hear at the time. But they pulled the "tongs" out and got my daughter out a short time later without performing a cesarian. My poor baby, her head was elongated from the tongs and by instinct I could tell she had a headache. But all was fine in the end.

Thank God all three of our daughters were born completely healthly and normal and my wife had no complications and all three births were natural so my wife did not have to deal with a cesarian.
"Always blessings, never losses......"

Ya te dije....no manches guey!!!!!

mad I'm a guy!!!!

"....i can open my-eyes "underwater"..there4 i will NOT drown...." - mzkqueen03 eek lol
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Reply #46 posted 02/24/05 10:15am

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I'm so sorry, I just noticed this redface

Congratulations woot! hug


Pictures next week? wink
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Reply #47 posted 02/24/05 10:32am

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In a thread, someone asked "if given the choice with what you know now, would you choose to be gay" and this experience only confirmed my answer. Yes, I would choose this path. I believe that it is because I am gay that I have been able to know women the way that I have. To know their hearts, feel their emotions, and share their strengths. I am grateful to God for having such strong female energy within myself. It has allowed me to connect with women in a way I don't believe I would have been able to if I was straight. I think we generally take for granted women's ability to bridge the gap between generations. I will never take women for granted. Ever again.

I'm sure many of you are probably burning to ask if this experience has made me want to have children. The answer is no. As it is, I have not had the drive to have children, although I appreciate the fact that others do. And that really uncomplicates my life because the road to parenthood as a gay man would not be easy. There are so many levels other than the lack of drive as to why I do not want children. Probably the main reason being that I wouldn't be able to be my childs' mother. I know most men cringe at the thought and believe me, it's obviously painful as hell. But I envy a woman's ability to be the source of life. I would feel that I was missing the biggest part of the experience, and for that I feel that I would have a hole in me that could not be filled. This really isn't to denegrate men's role in this, I just would want more.....for myself.



Hey, that was my question. wink

Thanks for the answer, and that STIRRING account.

I don't even know how to describe childbirth. There's just SOMETHING that takes over, and you become another person. You straddle the line between life and death, for that brief moment.
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Reply #48 posted 02/24/05 12:06pm

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The sack.... omg Wow! Ok, this thing looked like a prop or something. It looked totally fake. The little cocoon that held him for all those months lay there empty in the pan. It looked like wax and you could see the veins running all through it. I pictured it differently, more transparent and not as much mass.
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Reply #49 posted 02/24/05 2:08pm

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touched Wow. You always make me cry when you write, Supa. Well, not always, but a LOT. Anywho, congrats! I saw my niece born and I remember it being pretty amazing.

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Reply #50 posted 02/24/05 4:02pm

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Congrats Supa!

I was there when my sister gave birth to my niece and it was without doubt the best experience of my life. What a joy to be able to share the experience.
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Reply #51 posted 02/24/05 4:50pm

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Beautiful! rose

Congratulations! hug
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Reply #52 posted 02/25/05 11:53am

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Heiress said:

Hey, that was my question. wink


It was your question nod smile

I remember once sitting with my baby sister in a bean bag in our living room and watching the "Donahue" show. The topic of that show was homosexuality. I sat there completely engrossed in the show because at 12 years of age, I already knew I was gay, actually I've known ever since I can remember.

My mother was behind me on the couch so could not see that I was listening intently to the show. I just pretended not to be listening while I rocked my sister, kissing her head....but all the while I was listening to the program.

During the show my mother called my attention and she said "You are special. You have a woman's heart. But just because you love your little sister, and just because you have a woman's heart, that does not mean you are gay."

"Woman's heart". My mother was right. I do have a woman's heart. It's one of the reasons I would choose to be gay. I can express myself in exactly the way I want. I don't have to be afraid of fitting into a little box called "being a man". I can be whoever I am, I can cry, and I can express all the love I have. I'm truly free nod

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Reply #53 posted 02/25/05 2:31pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Heiress said:

Hey, that was my question. wink


It was your question nod smile

I remember once sitting with my baby sister in a bean bag in our living room and watching the "Donahue" show. The topic of that show was homosexuality. I sat there completely engrossed in the show because at 12 years of age, I already knew I was gay, actually I've known ever since I can remember.

My mother was behind me on the couch so could not see that I was listening intently to the show. I just pretended not to be listening while I rocked my sister, kissing her head....but all the while I was listening to the program.

During the show my mother called my attention and she said "You are special. You have a woman's heart. But just because you love your little sister, and just because you have a woman's heart, that does not mean you are gay."

"Woman's heart". My mother was right. I do have a woman's heart. It's one of the reasons I would choose to be gay. I can express myself in exactly the way I want. I don't have to be afraid of fitting into a little box called being a man. I can be whoever I am, I can cry, and I can express all the love I have. I'm truly free nod


lol That's interesting
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Reply #54 posted 02/25/05 3:51pm

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congratulations! rose i hope the little guy is blessed with good health, joy and prosperity in life
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XxAxX said:

congratulations! rose i hope the little guy is blessed with good health, joy and prosperity in life

Thank you little bird hug
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Reply #56 posted 02/25/05 4:13pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

XxAxX said:

congratulations! rose i hope the little guy is blessed with good health, joy and prosperity in life

Thank you little bird hug


you're welcome sweetie hug if he has half of your intelligence and kindness he's on his way to a good life
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XxAxX said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


Thank you little bird hug


you're welcome sweetie hug if he has half of your intelligence and kindness he's on his way to a good life

He's already a winner nod

Now that he is born, we have all the water signs in the house. My brother Steven is Cancer, My Sister Alison is Scorpio, my nephew Ty is Aquarius and I'm a Pisces woot!
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Reply #58 posted 02/25/05 5:08pm

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Cool thread, Supa. biggrin

I'm just glad you didn't post film or anything. I have three kids and it still makes me wanna barf
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

Cool thread, Supa. biggrin

I'm just glad you didn't post film or anything. I have three kids and it still makes me wanna barf

I'm sure it's one thing to experience it but I should hardly be bitching about it being that I'm not the one that passed a small watermelon through my vag lol
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