REDBABY said:

well, that's not exactly the extent of it, if you read the original post by Mach. but i do agree with you that there are individual choices made every day.

irresistibleb1tch said:

i didnt mean to stir up stuff... i just wanted to see peeps reaction to it ... i may or may not agree with both sides... but i enjoy seeing how it effects others ...and how they express their beliefs

Mach said:

no, i thought it was an interesting article - thanks for posting it!

irresistibleb1tch said:

i did too ... thanx ...

Dewrede said:

What if the animal dies of natural causes or was prepared by someone else?
Would it be o.k. to eat then?

REDBABY said:

No , i want to convert you , and i want you to consider your sins

Well if Paul McCartney, venerable vegan, says it's not true, I believe him.

Not.

Eternaldragon said:

I don't eat animals , period
Just think about this ; a pig's organs are almost simular to
human organs it's like a sort of cannibalism to me to eat meat
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VoicesCarry said:

whom would you believe? is there anybody in the veg movement you find credible?

What a crock!!

irresistibleb1tch said:

The "veg movement"?

No, seriously, his results can obviously NOT be generalized to the developed world. He was feeding them a starch-based diet, and suddenly he adds protein and he's shocked to find their mental and physical capacity improves? DUH. His study isn't flawed, but his conclusions are. I don't believe children should be raised as vegans - they should be raised to eat a proper, balanced diet (I don't know why, but it seems as if you believe only vegans can eat a healthy diet in today's world), and should be allowed to choose their path later in life. I am not worried so much about restricting meat, but I do question the intelligence of parents who decide to withhold dairy.
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Yes , me too quite frankly , it seems babies need milk for it's nutrients
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Dewrede said:

Human milk, or cow's milk?

first human , then cow's

Dewrede said:

How is it that, say, Native Americans ended up with strong bones when they had no tradition of milk drinking?

Not all ethnicities do... People of Asian descent, as I said above, are notoriously allergic.

Maybe it's because of the nutrients that were in the meat they ate
I think babies need either one or the other (milk or meat) , but í'd never feed my kid meat
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i find it absolutely absurd that this story's calling out parents who raise their kids as vegans, when most parents are shoving mcdonalds and burger king down their kids' throats.

i know *MY* parents did, and i was a fat, greasy little butterball of a kid as a result.

i'm not saying that parents who raise their kids on a diet that includes meat are irresponsible, and i'm not saying that kind of a diet can't be healthy; however, it is absolutely possible to raise kids on a vegetarian or vegan diet and have healthy, happy kids who aren't addicted to fast food and little debbies. it's about being informed enough to make the right decisions for your kids.

Anxiety said:

Ur the only person I know who can say "fat greesy butterball" and just oooze sexual energy when you do it.

lecoq said:

No need to get sentimental. It's perfectly logical.

The vast majority of animals raised for food in this country are raised in absolutely miserable, inhumane conditions. Unless you have some medical condition that causes you to require animal products, you don't NEED to eat them, and we certainly don't need to raise them under those conditions. To cause that level of suffering without a legitimate need on our part is unethical.

Now, if you wanna go out and hunt animals living in natural conditions, I have no real objection to that. I think it's odd, but not necessarily unethical. I'd rather not eat them than go out and shoot them, personally.

And if you or your children are living in a third world nation and starving, and somebody offers you some spoonfulls of meat, TAKE THEM! Please! I'm begging you to eat the meat!

But to try to extrapolate that to the dietary needs of kids in the US is stupid.

While I dont think raising children as vegans is unethical, I DO THINK it should be a choice that your child decides for themselves!

BabyCakes said:

why, if the kid is being given a healthy diet?

i have a very close friend who is raising her child on an omnivorous diet, but she's very strict about keeping junk food out of the house and her family never dine at fast food restaurants. she and her husband are very strict about this...and they have a very healthy, very precocious, very energetic kid.

now, it's not a vegan diet, but it's unconventional for a kid in this day and age not to be filled up on crappy food. do you think this is unethical?

if not, why can't responsible parents form a vegan diet on which to raise their kids, and let their kids make up their own minds when they're old enough?

BabyCakes said:

When they are old enough to make their own food choices, yeah. I think it's ok to ask others not to feed them animal products until they are old enough to have an understanding of what an animal product IS and make a decision. I also think it's ok to refuse to buy the animal products with your money. But if they want to buy beef jerky with their allowance, they're gonna do it; might as well respect their autonomy and hope someday they'll be the type of person who is moved either by compassion or by a decent philosophical argument.

I would think that these kids would rebel in their teenage years and wind up ODing on Big Macs and Whoppers.

MrJoker said:

see, i gotta agree with you there. i went vegetarian as soon as i moved out of the house and went to college, partially because it made me feel about 110% better, and partially because i knew it would ruffle my mom's feathers. of course, after i ruffled my mom's feathers, she started asking me for recipes that she could make for herself.

MrJoker said:

I've heard about kids doing exactly that.

I've also heard from people who were raised veg and can't FATHOM eating animals. I mean, if you've never eaten an animal, it could seem like a pretty disgusting thing. 'You want me to put cow muscle in my MOUTH? '


I suspect that, like most things that parents wish their kids wouldn't do, the more you have a discussion, explain your reasons, and then respect your kids and their ability to make good decisions, the more they will do things thoughtfully rather than out of rebellion.

Heiress said:

Plus, you never know where that "cow's" milk is coming from.

ReturnOfDOOK said:

"Jimmy, don't touch that cow - you don't know where he's been!"

Remember. More than two shakes is masturbation.

Kids need milk , eggs ,chicken, fish ,veg, fruit etc they are natural foods ,its burgers ,fries ,chocolate etc that make them fat(if eaten everyday and in huge amounts) .I think its too harsh making a young child a vegan ,esp when they go to school and most other kids are eating other foods(normal stuff kids eat ) and most will rebel against there parents and eat Mcdonalds etc ,junk food (like Happy Meals )and chocolate are the only things kids have ,as treats ,every now and then ...not too much of them ,seeds ,soy milk,nuts em yeah kids love em lol:rainbow:
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