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My new thing: wabi-sabi (seeing beauty in imperfection) From Wikipedia (itself having distinctly wabi-sabi characteristics):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabi-sabi Wabi-sabi From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Wabi-sabi represents a comprehensive Japanese world view or aesthetic system, and is difficult to explain precisely in western terms. According to Leonard Koren, wabi-sabi is the most conspicuous and characteristic feature of what we think of as traditional Japanese beauty and it "occupies roughly the same position in the Japanese pantheon of aesthetic values as do the Greek ideals of beauty and perfection in the West." Wabi-sabi is the beauty of things imperfect, impermanent, and incomplete. It is the beauty of things modest and humble. It is the beauty of things unconventional. The concepts of wabi-sabi correlate with the concepts of Zen, as the first Japanese involved with wabi-sabi were tea masters, priests, and monks who practiced Zen. Zen was first introduced from China around the 12th century. It emphasizes "direct, intuitive insight into transcendental truth beyond all intellectual conception." At the core of wabi-sabi is the importance of transcending ways of looking and thinking about things/existence. All things are impermanent All things are imperfect All things are incomplete Material characteristics of wabi-sabi: suggestion of natural process irregular intimate unpretentious earthy simple Western use During the 1990s the concept was borrowed by computer software developers and employed in Agile programming and Wiki wiki to describe acceptance of the state of ongoing imperfection that is the product of these methods. | |
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I always loved imperfection. | |
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Moderator | Heavenly said: I always loved imperfection.
Me too, it's much more interesting In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular. |
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tackam said: It emphasizes "direct, intuitive insight into transcendental truth beyond all intellectual conception." At the core of wabi-sabi is the importance of transcending ways of looking and thinking about things/existence.
Okay, I not sure what that first sentence means, but I understand the second. I REALLY like this word! I'd love to read more about Zen, too. Thanks! [Edited 2/13/05 16:08pm] | |
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not to be confused with wasabi, which should not be confused with a bit of avocado
ever! | |
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Sweeny79 said: Heavenly said: I always loved imperfection.
Me too, it's much more interesting It gives a uniqueness to a person. something that only they have and that's what makes them special | |
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Moderator | Heavenly said: Sweeny79 said: Me too, it's much more interesting It gives a uniqueness to a person. something that only they have and that's what makes them special Yuppers In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular. |
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But beauty is empty of existence. | |
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Wabi-sabi sounds like something from a sushi joint! [Edited 2/13/05 21:55pm] | |
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Is wabi-sabi and Wiki wiki.....
like sticky iky iky.... damn bubonic cronic...got me talkin jive..... | |
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UptownDeb said: tackam said: It emphasizes "direct, intuitive insight into transcendental truth beyond all intellectual conception." At the core of wabi-sabi is the importance of transcending ways of looking and thinking about things/existence.
Okay, I not sure what that first sentence means, but I understand the second. I REALLY like this word! I'd love to read more about Zen, too. Thanks! [Edited 2/13/05 16:08pm] No prob. Yeah, I think what they meant to say with that first line was, "It's about soul, baby. Soul." | |
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tackam said: UptownDeb said: Okay, I not sure what that first sentence means, but I understand the second. I REALLY like this word! I'd love to read more about Zen, too. Thanks! [Edited 2/13/05 16:08pm] No prob. Yeah, I think what they meant to say with that first line was, "It's about soul, baby. Soul." Have u read Nagarjuna's Fundamental Wisdom of the Middle Way? I'd definitely recommend it. | |
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Fauxie said: tackam said: No prob. Yeah, I think what they meant to say with that first line was, "It's about soul, baby. Soul." Have u read Nagarjuna's Fundamental Wisdom of the Middle Way? I'd definitely recommend it. No, is that Taoist, or. . .? I'll check it out. | |
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Fauxie said: But beauty is empty of existence.
Only in the sense that love and joy are empty of existence. What difference does existence make? | |
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I love this concept. Thanks for making it into a thread Tackam
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tackam said: Fauxie said: Have u read Nagarjuna's Fundamental Wisdom of the Middle Way? I'd definitely recommend it. No, is that Taoist, or. . .? I'll check it out. Not exclusively. It's just Nagarjuna's systematic addressing of philosophical arguments, but does tie in with what u're talking about in this thread. | |
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tackam said: Fauxie said: But beauty is empty of existence.
Only in the sense that love and joy are empty of existence. What difference does existence make? Well it just comes down to whether u believe the world to be full of objects and concepts that have independent existence, or whether u believe they are empty of this existence, meaning there are only processes and that there is only conventional, dependent existence. Nagarjuna is someone who breaks down the apparent abitrary distinctions made between objects, concepts, processes and the like, for example analysing the relationship of the doer and the action. | |
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Melisa,
I sware to you the Sushi place by my house is called Wabi Sabi! They must have barrowed from the concept. Good to know the intent behind the name. | |
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Is this new? That is usually how I pick my men. An imperfection = unique = beautiful 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Is this new? That is usually how I pick my men. An imperfection = unique = beautiful
It's not new, but the word is new to me. | |
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Fauxie said: tackam said: Only in the sense that love and joy are empty of existence. What difference does existence make? Well it just comes down to whether u believe the world to be full of objects and concepts that have independent existence, or whether u believe they are empty of this existence, meaning there are only processes and that there is only conventional, dependent existence. Nagarjuna is someone who breaks down the apparent abitrary distinctions made between objects, concepts, processes and the like, for example analysing the relationship of the doer and the action. Well, sure, and I think that we don't ultimately KNOW whether there is a meaningful distinction between something that we perceive as existing only in our experience (love, beauty), and something that we perceive as an object existing in the world (rocks, trees), but that we still only know via perception. Or, I sure as hell don't know. But I don't think it much matters, in this case. The experience of beauty is valuable to us regardless of its metaphysical status. | |
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Muse2NOPharaoh said: Melisa,
I sware to you the Sushi place by my house is called Wabi Sabi! They must have barrowed from the concept. Good to know the intent behind the name. Do they make imperfectly beautiful sushi? | |
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Fauxie said: tackam said: No prob. Yeah, I think what they meant to say with that first line was, "It's about soul, baby. Soul." Have u read Nagarjuna's Fundamental Wisdom of the Middle Way? I'd definitely recommend it. Thanks to this word, tackam I think I'm going to buy "Living Wabi Sabi: The True Beauty of Your Life." From the Publisher: On a deeper level, Wabi Sabi is the profound awareness of our oneness with all life and the environment. It includes a deep awareness of the choices we make each day, the power we have to accept or reject each moment of our lives, and to find value in every experience. I can get with this! Thanks for your recommendation too, Fauxie. It sounds deep. "Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience" is also on my "to read" list. | |
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UptownDeb said: Fauxie said: Have u read Nagarjuna's Fundamental Wisdom of the Middle Way? I'd definitely recommend it. Thanks to this word, tackam I think I'm going to buy "Living Wabi Sabi: The True Beauty of Your Life." From the Publisher: On a deeper level, Wabi Sabi is the profound awareness of our oneness with all life and the environment. It includes a deep awareness of the choices we make each day, the power we have to accept or reject each moment of our lives, and to find value in every experience. I can get with this! Thanks for your recommendation too, Fauxie. It sounds deep. "Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience" is also on my "to read" list. Let me know what you think of the books. | |
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