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Thread started 02/13/05 2:09pm

tackam

My new thing: wabi-sabi (seeing beauty in imperfection)

From Wikipedia (itself having distinctly wabi-sabi characteristics):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabi-sabi


Wabi-sabi
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Wabi-sabi represents a comprehensive Japanese world view or aesthetic system, and is difficult to explain precisely in western terms. According to Leonard Koren, wabi-sabi is the most conspicuous and characteristic feature of what we think of as traditional Japanese beauty and it "occupies roughly the same position in the Japanese pantheon of aesthetic values as do the Greek ideals of beauty and perfection in the West."


Wabi-sabi is the beauty of things imperfect, impermanent, and incomplete.


It is the beauty of things modest and humble.


It is the beauty of things unconventional.


The concepts of wabi-sabi correlate with the concepts of Zen, as the first Japanese involved with wabi-sabi were tea masters, priests, and monks who practiced Zen. Zen was first introduced from China around the 12th century. It emphasizes "direct, intuitive insight into transcendental truth beyond all intellectual conception." At the core of wabi-sabi is the importance of transcending ways of looking and thinking about things/existence.

All things are impermanent

All things are imperfect

All things are incomplete



Material characteristics of wabi-sabi:

suggestion of natural process

irregular

intimate

unpretentious

earthy

simple



Western use

During the 1990s the concept was borrowed by computer software developers and employed in Agile programming and Wiki wiki to describe acceptance of the state of ongoing imperfection that is the product of these methods.
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Reply #1 posted 02/13/05 2:10pm

Heavenly

I always loved imperfection. kiss2
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Reply #2 posted 02/13/05 3:25pm

Sweeny79

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Heavenly said:

I always loved imperfection. kiss2


Me too, it's much more interesting nod kiss2
In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular.
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Reply #3 posted 02/13/05 4:07pm

UptownDeb

tackam said:

It emphasizes "direct, intuitive insight into transcendental truth beyond all intellectual conception." At the core of wabi-sabi is the importance of transcending ways of looking and thinking about things/existence.


Okay, I not sure what that first sentence means, but I understand the second. I REALLY like this word! thumbs up! I'd love to read more about Zen, too. biggrin

Thanks!
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Reply #4 posted 02/13/05 4:17pm

charlottegelin

confused not to be confused with wasabi, which should not be confused with a bit of avocado



ever!
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Reply #5 posted 02/13/05 5:31pm

Heavenly

Sweeny79 said:

Heavenly said:

I always loved imperfection. kiss2


Me too, it's much more interesting nod kiss2

It gives a uniqueness to a person. something that only they have and that's what makes them special biggrin
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Reply #6 posted 02/13/05 5:32pm

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Heavenly said:

Sweeny79 said:



Me too, it's much more interesting nod kiss2

It gives a uniqueness to a person. something that only they have and that's what makes them special biggrin



Yuppers nod
In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular.
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Reply #7 posted 02/13/05 9:22pm

Fauxie

But beauty is empty of existence.
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Reply #8 posted 02/13/05 9:55pm

Muse2NOPharaoh

Wabi-sabi sounds like something from a sushi joint!
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Reply #9 posted 02/13/05 11:00pm

GUnit

Is wabi-sabi and Wiki wiki.....

like sticky iky iky....

damn bubonic cronic...got me talkin jive..... weed
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Reply #10 posted 02/13/05 11:42pm

tackam

UptownDeb said:

tackam said:

It emphasizes "direct, intuitive insight into transcendental truth beyond all intellectual conception." At the core of wabi-sabi is the importance of transcending ways of looking and thinking about things/existence.


Okay, I not sure what that first sentence means, but I understand the second. I REALLY like this word! thumbs up! I'd love to read more about Zen, too. biggrin

Thanks!
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No prob. wink

Yeah, I think what they meant to say with that first line was, "It's about soul, baby. Soul." biggrin
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Reply #11 posted 02/13/05 11:44pm

Fauxie

tackam said:

UptownDeb said:



Okay, I not sure what that first sentence means, but I understand the second. I REALLY like this word! thumbs up! I'd love to read more about Zen, too. biggrin

Thanks!
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No prob. wink

Yeah, I think what they meant to say with that first line was, "It's about soul, baby. Soul." biggrin



Have u read Nagarjuna's Fundamental Wisdom of the Middle Way?

I'd definitely recommend it. thumbs up!
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Reply #12 posted 02/13/05 11:52pm

tackam

Fauxie said:

tackam said:




No prob. wink

Yeah, I think what they meant to say with that first line was, "It's about soul, baby. Soul." biggrin



Have u read Nagarjuna's Fundamental Wisdom of the Middle Way?

I'd definitely recommend it. thumbs up!


No, is that Taoist, or. . .? I'll check it out. nod
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Reply #13 posted 02/13/05 11:57pm

tackam

Fauxie said:

But beauty is empty of existence.


Only in the sense that love and joy are empty of existence. What difference does existence make?
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Reply #14 posted 02/14/05 5:47am

Reincarnate

I love this concept. Thanks for making it into a thread Tackam
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Reply #15 posted 02/14/05 7:47am

Fauxie

tackam said:

Fauxie said:




Have u read Nagarjuna's Fundamental Wisdom of the Middle Way?

I'd definitely recommend it. thumbs up!


No, is that Taoist, or. . .? I'll check it out. nod



Not exclusively. It's just Nagarjuna's systematic addressing of philosophical arguments, but does tie in with what u're talking about in this thread.
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Reply #16 posted 02/14/05 7:51am

Fauxie

tackam said:

Fauxie said:

But beauty is empty of existence.


Only in the sense that love and joy are empty of existence. What difference does existence make?



Well it just comes down to whether u believe the world to be full of objects and concepts that have independent existence, or whether u believe they are empty of this existence, meaning there are only processes and that there is only conventional, dependent existence.

Nagarjuna is someone who breaks down the apparent abitrary distinctions made between objects, concepts, processes and the like, for example analysing the relationship of the doer and the action.
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Reply #17 posted 02/14/05 7:58am

Muse2NOPharaoh

Melisa,

I sware to you the Sushi place by my house is called Wabi Sabi!

They must have barrowed from the concept. Good to know the intent behind the name.
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Reply #18 posted 02/14/05 9:36am

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Is this new? That is usually how I pick my men. An imperfection = unique = beautiful nod
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Reply #19 posted 02/14/05 11:13am

tackam

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Is this new? That is usually how I pick my men. An imperfection = unique = beautiful nod



It's not new, but the word is new to me. wink
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Reply #20 posted 02/14/05 11:17am

tackam

Fauxie said:

tackam said:



Only in the sense that love and joy are empty of existence. What difference does existence make?



Well it just comes down to whether u believe the world to be full of objects and concepts that have independent existence, or whether u believe they are empty of this existence, meaning there are only processes and that there is only conventional, dependent existence.

Nagarjuna is someone who breaks down the apparent abitrary distinctions made between objects, concepts, processes and the like, for example analysing the relationship of the doer and the action.


Well, sure, and I think that we don't ultimately KNOW whether there is a meaningful distinction between something that we perceive as existing only in our experience (love, beauty), and something that we perceive as an object existing in the world (rocks, trees), but that we still only know via perception. Or, I sure as hell don't know. lol

But I don't think it much matters, in this case. The experience of beauty is valuable to us regardless of its metaphysical status. smile
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Reply #21 posted 02/14/05 11:19am

tackam

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

Melisa,

I sware to you the Sushi place by my house is called Wabi Sabi!

They must have barrowed from the concept. Good to know the intent behind the name.



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Do they make imperfectly beautiful sushi? biggrin
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Reply #22 posted 02/14/05 6:16pm

UptownDeb

Fauxie said:

tackam said:




No prob. wink

Yeah, I think what they meant to say with that first line was, "It's about soul, baby. Soul." biggrin



Have u read Nagarjuna's Fundamental Wisdom of the Middle Way?

I'd definitely recommend it. thumbs up!


Thanks to this word, tackam I think I'm going to buy "Living Wabi Sabi: The True Beauty of Your Life."

From the Publisher:

On a deeper level, Wabi Sabi is the profound awareness of our oneness with all life and the environment. It includes a deep awareness of the choices we make each day, the power we have to accept or reject each moment of our lives, and to find value in every experience.

I can get with this! thumbs up!

Thanks for your recommendation too, Fauxie. It sounds deep. smile

"Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience" is also on my "to read" list.
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Reply #23 posted 02/14/05 6:46pm

tackam

UptownDeb said:

Fauxie said:




Have u read Nagarjuna's Fundamental Wisdom of the Middle Way?

I'd definitely recommend it. thumbs up!


Thanks to this word, tackam I think I'm going to buy "Living Wabi Sabi: The True Beauty of Your Life."

From the Publisher:

On a deeper level, Wabi Sabi is the profound awareness of our oneness with all life and the environment. It includes a deep awareness of the choices we make each day, the power we have to accept or reject each moment of our lives, and to find value in every experience.

I can get with this! thumbs up!

Thanks for your recommendation too, Fauxie. It sounds deep. smile

"Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience" is also on my "to read" list.


Let me know what you think of the books. thumbs up!
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