sosgemini said:

I really think Swank's performances in both films stand beside the other actresses you mentioned. They've already become two of my favorite performances of all-time. But she really struggled early in her career (meaning, she took a lot of bad, bad roles), and truly worked her way to the top of her game. That said, I'm not a member of the academy, I don't play favorites, and I don't do lifetime achievement awards. They won't give it to Swank. I will he shocked if she wins. Happy, but truly shocked.

I would be happy with an upset win by Staunton. As much as I loved Moreno in the film and I was pulling for her nomination, I don't think she stands much of a chance.

I saw the actress in "Maria Full Of Grace" got a nod. I just rented that and now look forward to seeing it even more.

sosgemini said:

Sorry, I missed this post. I'm just not going to agree with you, nor you with me, and I'm not gonna split hairs over what percentage means critics liked or disliked a film. I'm saying it had it's supporters critically and named them. I don't frequent Rotten Tomatoes, so I don't know what their numbers are or what they mean.

You can love, hug and kiss me all you want, but the true FACT in all of this is that if you liked Catwoman you truly are braver than I. I've yet to even muster up the desire to see it. But I have a full appreciation for bad cinema, so I may just end up liking it as well.
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sosgemini said:

do not make that judgement til you see the movie...she was amazing.

purplegypsy said:

and yeah...yeah..i know fields did the whole gidget thing but sally had oodles and oodles of hits and acclaimed performances prior to her two wins.....swank has just the two she has been nominated for..and everything in between has failed and or flopped...

sosgemini said:

are you fucking kidding me? you are going to post a picture of her role on 90210 as proof she isn't good enough to win? Why don't you post a pic of Jamie Foxx when he was IN LIVING COLOR! (And I'm sure you will)

VinnyM27 said:

I just watched it two nights ago. It was gut wrenching in a subtle way. I think it was a very subtle but effective performance. It almost felt like a documentary

Great, now I have 10 more movies to catch up on.....where to find the time....


Miguel

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purplegypsy said:

oh no....how many of them ole white geezers are gonna remember foxx was in inlivingcolor? besides, that performance was soo beyond anything anyone could imagine (similiar to the transformation that Charlize went through for Monster) that it trumps anyone else.....Ditto Swank's original transformation for Boys Dont Cry...but to win twice? 90210 trumps a second oscar win... for now.

sosgemini said:

YOU HAVEN'T SEEN Million Dollar Baby - how can you make these judgments? Your response is just so ridiculous. You should get a RAZZIE award.
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purplegypsy said:

how can anyone make these calls without seeing all the films? easy...this is a sport doll.....its easy to follow the political trends of this awards...you honestly dont think that these things are voted on based on the merits of the performances, do you?

there is validity in stating that Swank has not achieved the level of success/respect/achievement that other double oscar winners have.....i dont need to see the films to understand this....just like you didnt need to see Rusell Crowe was *not* going to win a second Oscar for A Beautiful Mind (which was much more deserved then his Gladiator performance)....Most people said Denzel won it because he was black...No, Rusell wasnt liked enough to win back to back oscars....and Denzel benefited from this since no other nominee was as worthy as these two...

so call my comments ridiculous.... im just having fun..... note im not calling your comments out or anyone elses...just sharing what i notice...
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I got your back SOS.

I wish that politics wasn't involved in all of this. In a perfect world..... Some performances just cannot be compared.

Did anybody see Vera Drake. I'm a big fan of Imelda Staunton. I loved her in Peter's Friends and Sense and Sensibility.

Miguel

sosgemini said:

sosgemini said:[quote]

purplegypsy said:

By posting Hillary's pic with Ian Ziering, you are measuring "validity" based on her days on 90210. That's what I find to be ridiculous. Tom Hanks won two in a row and he came from Bosom Buddies!

purplegypsy said:[quote]

sosgemini said:

umm, that was more of me having fun with this discussion..not everything has to be serious serious serious!!

but, if you run with the Hanks a lil bit more you will see my observation holds water...Hanks was riding hit after hit and was already well loved by Hollywood.....Swanks (like i mentioned in my previous posts) has flopped in everything but her two Oscar nominations....and she isnt regarded as Hollywood Royalty like Hanks was during his two wins (or Jody Foster who was the last female to win two oscars)....Thats why I think Benign is going to win this one..But if the film isnt seen by enough people im wondering if Vera Drake's Staunton will pull off an upset..I just dont see Swank doing it..Regardless of how well her performance was..

heck, if perfomance was all the mattered then they need to close shop and hand an apology to Bjork for not even nominating her for "dancer in the dark"..

nuff said!!

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

I love Mike Leigh's "Secrets and Lies" and really liked "Career Girls" (that one kind of got overlooked when it came out). I'll make it a point to see "Vera Drake" on video.

sosgemini said:

Ever seen the next karate kid

I agree, Swank has had 2 great movie roles, does she really deserve another Oscar this early in her career? I mean shes a decent actor but I just dont think its right

But thats just my personal opinion, Im not on the board, just a couch critic

VinnyM27 said:

I heard that Secrets and Lies was mostly improvised. Awesome movie.

Miguel

ella731 said:

The awards are (in theory anyway) for a single role - not for an accumulation of film roles. She's nominated for Million Dollar Baby alone - many people think she was great in that movie, so yes, she deserves it.

sosgemini said:

I think it's predistended that Swank gets it, despite the fact that EVERYTHING else she's done has went nowhere, and in some cases, would be terribly embarrassing if anyone remembered them ("The Core" for chirst sake!). Actually, you can give Swank some props for "Insomnia", even though she didn't have to be in it (it was all Pacino and Williams) as well as the highly acclaimed TV movie "Iron Jawed Angels". Thank you, IMDB. My point is, she's the favorite by far (Anette really doesn't have that much buzz, does she) so it is said, so it is done. With Crowe and Washington, you didn't know for sure. With Penn and Murrary last year, you didn't know for sure, but Penn was a safer bet. I think Swank will just be remembered for these two roles, nothing more, unless she gets her act together.

Politics will work for Swank...becuase they just plain hate Benning. I'd just kill myself if I were her! Could you imagine being a hardcore Anette Benning (could imagine if they exisist) and history is repeating itself like this again. Shit, Benning as short hair...she can be lesbain boxer (Ok, I haven't seen the movie, but come on!) or man trapped in a woman's body (not a lesbian, but close).

Anette Benning is...."Lezbo"!
Tagline:Line up the awards...she's finally beat Hilary Swank at her own game!

RipHer2Shreds said:

tell Al Pacino that for that horrid Scent of A Woman....Or Paul Newman for the equally unworthy Color Of Money.. But your right, in theory these should be about the performances and only the perfomances....

VinnyM27 said:

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

Still not on DVD (in America,anyway). Just criminal! I don't even think they released it on sell through video! I bought it online. I'm not sure how much I paid for it (probably around $20).

Actually, I just looked it up and it looks like a bare bones DVD for only $9.99 comes out next week! Can't wait!

sosgemini said:

I completely agree, they are meant for the one movie and thats it, I havent seen million dollar baby so I cant comment on that, I was just making a generalization, I do that at times

sosgemini said:

And I liked "Scent of A Woman"....not so much "Color Of Money". The awards should be for preformances. Pacino should have had Oscars before that. Again, sometimes it's favorites/achievement (Penn), sometimes times performance (Theron) sometimes both (Foxx?).

VinnyM27 said:

And I agree, but I still argue that Penn's award was for that performance alone. He'd been winning awards for Mystic River and the Oscar talk began when the film premiered at Cannes in May 2003. It was definitely a long-time coming, but I think they gave it to him for his work in that film alone.

RipHer2Shreds said:

I prefered Bill Murrary. I didn't think that much of "Mystic River" (wouldn't dare see it again). And is it just me or did people seem to forget about that movie after "Million Dollar Baby", calling it, besides "Unforgiven", his other masterpiece. It's not like Clint always knocks them out of the park, eihter (he releases a movie a year, and most tend to do poorly or modestly).

confession time..I have Mystic River...Bought it on DVD but have yet to bring myself to watch it...I also have 21 Grams and turned it off halfway.....


after the death of my grandmother I have found it a bit difficult to watch serious serious films...but, im gonna have to buckle down here and get back into the oscar spirit so i dont have my comments called "ridicules"...







but 21 Grams was not worthy of all the admiration...the timeline shifting and editing was to mask what would have been a boring and straightfoward story....

Ace said:

NEWSFLASH: Art is political!!

Jamie Foxx all the way for "Ray"! I haven't even seen the film but I believe he deserves it.

I've been a big fan of Jamie and it's great to see someone who has entertained you come up real big. He can give you a moving performance and then also make you laugh your ass off! He also sings really good and I can't wait to hear his album when it comes out.


I also hope that John Debney wins for best music score for The Passion Of The Christ because that score was so moving especially during the crucifxion scene. I feel the film deserves that award.

A vote here for Story of the Weeping Camel