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PrintableTaureau said: irresistibleb1tch said:  @ uber-hippie... a friend told me not long ago that i look like a Methodist... guess we come in all kinds of disguises, huh? 
one of these days, let's talk about that whole "mind equals consciousness" stuff - it's fascinating... (oh, and i do take it that you don't nuke spiders anymore, right?)  Nah, just kittens n stuff   don't you know the fur gets into all the vents? | |
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Taureau said: Nah, just kittens n stuff
You are silly sometimes. | |
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BinaryJustin said: Taureau said: Nah, just kittens n stuff
You are silly sometimes. I'm bored and I need to go to sleep  ..... BULLSEYE!  | |
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Yeah, my position is that bees probably don't suffer during honey production, or at least not any more than a bee normally suffers during the course of their little bee life. I'm not convinced they are neurologically capable of suffering, but if they are, I don't think their lives are interefered with in such a way as to make them substantially suffer. I also think that one must draw lines someplace, and for me, stressing about the welfare of insects is just too much. Additionally, I try not to do things just because the Vegan Police would be pissed if I didn't. I try to use my own head.
However, I do entirely support anybody who wishes to be more careful than I am about insects. I also recognize that, while I've known many self-identified vegans who didn't avoid honey for reasons similar to mine, I'm sure that there are also plenty of people who would be annoyed with me for ever referring to myself as a vegan. Ah well. I find it to be a very convenient label at times. It's much easier to ask, "is that vegan?" than it is to ask, "does that contain meat, eggs, milk, cheese, butter, or any other animal products with the exceptinon of honey?"
And really, I think it's inappropriate for people to come down on me for it in any case. I've always been annoyed by "vegetarians" who eat fish, but in recent times, I've decided that calling them on it is a vastly more obnoxious thing to do than what THEY are doing.
So basically, anybody who has a problem with it: I understand, but fuck off nonetheless! 
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tackam said: "does that contain meat, eggs, milk, cheese, butter, or any other animal products with the exceptinon of honey?"
too funny!
you know you're cool in my book, Miss Melissa!  | |
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tackam said: I understand, but fuck off nonetheless!
that's the best!
One last question, do either you or irresistableb!tch ever wear silk undies?
Oh wait! THINK OF THE WORMS! THINK OF THE WORMS! 
Just teasing! Ok now I've set a target for my dreams tonite I'm definitely getting some sleep  ..... BULLSEYE! | |
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irresistibleb1tch said: tackam said: "does that contain meat, eggs, milk, cheese, butter, or any other animal products with the exceptinon of honey?"
too funny!
you know you're cool in my book, Miss Melissa! Ditto. | |
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Taureau said: tackam said: I understand, but fuck off nonetheless!
that's the best!
One last question, do either you or irresistableb!tch ever wear silk undies?
Oh wait! THINK OF THE WORMS! THINK OF THE WORMS!
Just teasing! Ok now I've set a target for my dreams tonite I'm definitely getting some sleep
Worms = insects. Yes, I wear silk too! Sweet dreams.  | |
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Honey sweets is probably my favorite candy, except for anything with chocolate
Tea with honey is my favorite remedy for a cold 
And umm...even in bed I can find something to do with honey | |
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Taureau said: tackam said: I understand, but fuck off nonetheless!
that's the best!
One last question, do either you or irresistableb!tch ever wear silk undies?
Oh wait! THINK OF THE WORMS! THINK OF THE WORMS!
Just teasing! Ok now I've set a target for my dreams tonite I'm definitely getting some sleep do you want the vegan-police-proof answer to that? | |
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Nothinbutjoy said: I don't begrudge anyone making the choice to live a vegan lifestyle. What I do begrudge are people that do make that choice judging those that do not.
AGREED. Like you, I'm not saying that's occurred in this thread, but all too often, vegans have a tendency to be quite judgmental. You eat what you want to eat, and I'll do the same. | |
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Heavenly said: Honey sweets is probably my favorite candy, except for anything with chocolate
Tea with honey is my favorite remedy for a cold
And umm...even in bed I can find something to do with honey Hee. . .yeah. . .I was telling BabyGirl recently about lavender honey. Have you tried it?  | |
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One of my favorite things would REALLY fucking piss off the vegan police: honey in hot soymilk.
MMMMMmmmmm. Yum. | |
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tackam said: Heavenly said: Honey sweets is probably my favorite candy, except for anything with chocolate
Tea with honey is my favorite remedy for a cold
And umm...even in bed I can find something to do with honey Hee. . .yeah. . .I was telling BabyGirl recently about lavender honey. Have you tried it? Nope. haven't tried it yet. but you and BabyGirl are always invited to try it with me | |
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todd305 said: Nothinbutjoy said: I don't begrudge anyone making the choice to live a vegan lifestyle. What I do begrudge are people that do make that choice judging those that do not.
AGREED. Like you, I'm not saying that's occurred in this thread, but all too often, vegans have a tendency to be quite judgmental. You eat what you want to eat, and I'll do the same. ..Or preachy! Man they can at times be far worse then Christians! | |
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Wheres that little guy laying on his side rolling and kicking | |
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Novabreaker said: JasmineFire said: it's an animal byproduct and sometimes the bees who make it are treaed in inhumane ways, i.e. fogging.
Inhumane? What kind of fucked up philosophy is that? What should we do, invite them over for a cup of tea to have a discussion on contemporary French Semiology? Let them benefit from social security as well? Would that be enough humane for bees? Seriously, the only valid reason not to eat honey would be the fact that our bodies aren't fully adaptable to digest it, and there are no natural means to acquire it from the hives. hey, this is just what my vegan ex told me about honey. i'm so glad i don;t date a vegan anymore. can't eat anywhere or anything. | |
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JasmineFire said: Novabreaker said: Inhumane? What kind of fucked up philosophy is that? What should we do, invite them over for a cup of tea to have a discussion on contemporary French Semiology? Let them benefit from social security as well? Would that be enough humane for bees? Seriously, the only valid reason not to eat honey would be the fact that our bodies aren't fully adaptable to digest it, and there are no natural means to acquire it from the hives. hey, this is just what my vegan ex told me about honey. i'm so glad i don;t date a vegan anymore. can't eat anywhere or anything. Oh my god, was whatsisname a vegan? Good riddance. | |
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tackam said:
Yeah, my position is that bees probably don't suffer during honey production, or at least not any more than a bee normally suffers during the course of their little bee life. I'm not convinced they are neurologically capable of suffering, but if they are, I don't think their lives are interefered with in such a way as to make them substantially suffer. I also think that one must draw lines someplace, and for me, stressing about the welfare of insects is just too much. Additionally, I try not to do things just because the Vegan Police would be pissed if I didn't. I try to use my own head.
However, I do entirely support anybody who wishes to be more careful than I am about insects. I also recognize that, while I've known many self-identified vegans who didn't avoid honey for reasons similar to mine, I'm sure that there are also plenty of people who would be annoyed with me for ever referring to myself as a vegan. Ah well. I find it to be a very convenient label at times. It's much easier to ask, "is that vegan?" than it is to ask, "does that contain meat, eggs, milk, cheese, butter, or any other animal products with the exceptinon of honey?"
And really, I think it's inappropriate for people to come down on me for it in any case. I've always been annoyed by "vegetarians" who eat fish, but in recent times, I've decided that calling them on it is a vastly more obnoxious thing to do than what THEY are doing.
So basically, anybody who has a problem with it: I understand, but fuck off nonetheless!
vegans-can't-spell edit [Edited 1/24/05 14:41pm] doesn't it depend where the honeey comes from? if you buy it from a small organic bee farm, the bees are less likely to be gassed to death and the honey tastes much better. just wonderin'. | |
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JasmineFire said: tackam said:
Yeah, my position is that bees probably don't suffer during honey production, or at least not any more than a bee normally suffers during the course of their little bee life. I'm not convinced they are neurologically capable of suffering, but if they are, I don't think their lives are interefered with in such a way as to make them substantially suffer. I also think that one must draw lines someplace, and for me, stressing about the welfare of insects is just too much. Additionally, I try not to do things just because the Vegan Police would be pissed if I didn't. I try to use my own head.
However, I do entirely support anybody who wishes to be more careful than I am about insects. I also recognize that, while I've known many self-identified vegans who didn't avoid honey for reasons similar to mine, I'm sure that there are also plenty of people who would be annoyed with me for ever referring to myself as a vegan. Ah well. I find it to be a very convenient label at times. It's much easier to ask, "is that vegan?" than it is to ask, "does that contain meat, eggs, milk, cheese, butter, or any other animal products with the exceptinon of honey?"
And really, I think it's inappropriate for people to come down on me for it in any case. I've always been annoyed by "vegetarians" who eat fish, but in recent times, I've decided that calling them on it is a vastly more obnoxious thing to do than what THEY are doing.
So basically, anybody who has a problem with it: I understand, but fuck off nonetheless!
vegans-can't-spell edit [Edited 1/24/05 14:41pm] doesn't it depend where the honeey comes from? if you buy it from a small organic bee farm, the bees are less likely to be gassed to death and the honey tastes much better. just wonderin'. Probably. That's usually how it works. | |
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I find the thought of the bees barfing the honey up revolting 
But they really do
That's why i don't like to eat it | |
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I like honey colored men. | |
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I love honey! ...but I like strawberries better | |
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2the9s said: JasmineFire said: hey, this is just what my vegan ex told me about honey. i'm so glad i don;t date a vegan anymore. can't eat anywhere or anything. Oh my god, was whatsisname a vegan? Good riddance. no. this was the guy before whatsisname. whatsisname has been calling me again. | |
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Novabreaker said: Seriously, the only valid reason not to eat honey would be the fact that our bodies aren't fully adaptable to digest it. 
Then why did God promise a land overflowing with milk and honey? The cheeky bastard. | |
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Bees are animals? | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: Bees are animals?
You know I love you, right? | |
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tackam said: TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: Bees are animals?
You know I love you, right? Just kidding. | |
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Number23 said: Novabreaker said: Seriously, the only valid reason not to eat honey would be the fact that our bodies aren't fully adaptable to digest it.
Then why did God promise a land overflowing with milk and honey? The cheeky bastard.  | |
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