applekisses said:

Very few people do. Hence the popularity of make-up,push-up bras, hair salons, estheticians, gyms, etc., etc. I just see it as a matter of degree.

applekisses said:

Well, "need" is too strong a word. If there was something about my appearance that I was unhappy about and plastic surgery was the only way to fix it, I'd consider it.

Ace said:

Well...personally...I'm fucking sick of that. I don't want to contribute to the collective self-esteem problem and I think that going as far as having fucking surgery to conform to someone else's standard is buying into it to the nth degree. Sure...I exercise for my health...I like to wear cute clothes and make-up...but, I do it because it's fun...like playing dress-up. I don't do it because I need it to be loved.

Ace said:

But, what would tell you to be unhappy about it?

applekisses said:

You sure you don't do it because you want to appear attractive?

Ace said:

Yep...there are so many different definitions of what people find attractive. I gave up trying to fit that a long time ago. As long as it's fun for me and I like it...then that's all that matters.

applekisses said:

We are all happy when our appearance conforms to what is popularly held as "attractive" (or at least in our little subcultures).

Ace said:

But, what sets those standards?

applekisses said:

I don't care about what set those standards. They exist.

Ace said:

Well...there's a fundamental difference between you and I. I do care. I don't let other people tell me how I should feel about myself. I don't let my feelings about myself hinge on perfection according to the next marketing tool of a huge corporation that makes millions off of peoples hatred for themselves. I'm smarter than that. There are many sad, stupid, brainwashed people walking around and I refuse to be one of them. It's a fight.

Ok...I'm off my soapbox now.

applekisses said:

What are you doing with a soapbox? Isn't soap just a scam by The Man to get us to live up to some grooming ideal? I say you should boycott soap. Be stinky as nature intended and show those muthafathas!

Ace said:

Shut up! You know I'm not as extreme as all that. If refusing to have plastic surgery to fit in with some fucked up standard is extreme than the world is more screwed than I thought.

Ace said:

I doubt supermodels would even eat plastic sandwiches.

subhuman09 said:

Sure they would. They'd just puke them up later.

Ace said:

Are they ready for that commitment?

Must be hard living on air and colonics.

applekisses said:

Someone who thinks they need that much of their body altered has some serious body image issues that should be dealt with in therapy. She goes through months of difficult and painful surgery, and every woman on these makeover shows ends up looking exactly the same. Not to mention when the contestants are all brought back for some grand beauty contest. How would it feel, I wonder, to lose a beauty contest to someone who looks exactly like you? I'd be interested in seeing where these women are emotionally in 5 years' time.

Ace said:

I can wash off my makeup at the end of the day, and neither my tattoos nor my piercings drastically change my appearance or the shape of my body.

Ace said:

Plastic surgery is never the only way to "fix" something you've been brainwashed into believing is unattractive.

Changing your attitude may be harder, but it's a hell of a lot healthier than invasive surgery.

applekisses said:

meow85 said:

meow85 said:

Have I told you lately how much you rock?

i love it

always have

always will

seen every real world

cant get enough

shausler said:

I still love ya, Shausie

applekisses said:

Applekisses says I rock!