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Why is Honesty such a lonely word? Honesty
Billy Joel If you search for tenderness It isn't hard to find You can have the love you need to live, But if you look for truthfulness You might just as well be blind It always seems to be so hard to give. Honesty is such a lonely word Everyone is so untrue, Honesty is hardly ever heard And mostly what I need from you. I can always find someone To say they symphatize If I wear my heart out on my sleeve, But I don't want some pretty face To tell me pretty lies All I want is someone to believe I can find a lover I can find a friend I can have security Until the bitter end Anyone can comfort me With promises again I know (I know), I know woh woh When I'm deep inside of me Don't be too concerned I won't ask for nothin' while I'm gone, But when I want sincerity Tell me where else can I turn? 'Cause you're the one that I depend upon. | |
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i like that song | |
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Honesty is neither pc, nor makes people like you most of the time. Before you disagree, this doesnt pertain to everyone. But it ring true most of the time. Disagree if you wish, but you know im right. (Insert something clever here) | |
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DarkKnight1 said: Honesty is neither pc, nor makes people like you most of the time. Before you disagree, this doesnt pertain to everyone. But it ring true most of the time. Disagree if you wish, but you know im right.
I never disagree with you except on the Versace Pix. | |
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DarkKnight1 said: Honesty is neither pc, nor makes people like you most of the time. Before you disagree, this doesnt pertain to everyone. But it ring true most of the time. Disagree if you wish, but you know im right.
see this is why I created this thread. I get by in life by being honest and it works just fine, you just need to find the right people to be honest with. honesty CAN be a curse to those of whom have little moral fibre or ot can be a BLESSING to those with a true heart and dedication. | |
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the only honesty is the honesty that comes from someone. honesty can't be judged or weighed. when that happens, someone is pressured to conform to someone else's truth...and that creates lies.
honesty is rare. you're the only person in your world who you can expect honesty from, i think. | |
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mrdespues said: DarkKnight1 said: Honesty is neither pc, nor makes people like you most of the time. Before you disagree, this doesnt pertain to everyone. But it ring true most of the time. Disagree if you wish, but you know im right.
see this is why I created this thread. I get by in life by being honest and it works just fine, you just need to find the right people to be honest with. honesty CAN be a curse to those of whom have little moral fibre or ot can be a BLESSING to those with a true heart and dedication. In the workplace, honesty is requested, yet never well received. Too many times, you will be viewed as negative or confrontational. Unfortunately, honesty is very rarely the best policy. I learned this the hard way. (Insert something clever here) | |
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Anxiety said: honesty is rare. you're the only person in your world who you can expect honesty from, i think.
Not necessarily true at all. You can be honest with others and you can be honest in your relationship to the world of people out there, and the forces of the universe, and even with God. For every fake ass in the world there are a million more honest people. | |
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mrdespues said: Anxiety said: honesty is rare. you're the only person in your world who you can expect honesty from, i think.
Not necessarily true at all. You can be honest with others and you can be honest in your relationship to the world of people out there, and the forces of the universe, and even with God. For every fake ass in the world there are a million more honest people. yes, you can. but you can't expect that honesty from anyone else. | |
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mrdespues said: DarkKnight1 said: Honesty is neither pc, nor makes people like you most of the time. Before you disagree, this doesnt pertain to everyone. But it ring true most of the time. Disagree if you wish, but you know im right.
see this is why I created this thread. I get by in life by being honest and it works just fine, you just need to find the right people to be honest with. honesty CAN be a curse to those of whom have little moral fibre or ot can be a BLESSING to those with a true heart and dedication. Very well said. | |
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Anxiety said: mrdespues said: Not necessarily true at all. You can be honest with others and you can be honest in your relationship to the world of people out there, and the forces of the universe, and even with God. For every fake ass in the world there are a million more honest people. yes, you can. but you can't expect that honesty from anyone else. Nobody's ever totally honest. I lie at leat 5 times a day. | |
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Anxiety said: mrdespues said: Not necessarily true at all. You can be honest with others and you can be honest in your relationship to the world of people out there, and the forces of the universe, and even with God. For every fake ass in the world there are a million more honest people. yes, you can. but you can't expect that honesty from anyone else. you can't expect too much in this world, but you can rely on the fact that there are some, if not plenty of honest people out there who will be honest with you. i've experienced it most of my life, but I started this thread cause I've come across a few people lately who don't fit the criteria of honest. . [Edited 1/18/05 19:48pm] | |
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AsianBoi777 said: DarkKnight1 said: Honesty is neither pc, nor makes people like you most of the time. Before you disagree, this doesnt pertain to everyone. But it ring true most of the time. Disagree if you wish, but you know im right.
I never disagree with you except on the Versace Pix. Honestly, the Versace pics creep me out. (Insert something clever here) | |
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Anxiety said: the only honesty is the honesty that comes from someone. honesty can't be judged or weighed. when that happens, someone is pressured to conform to someone else's truth...and that creates lies.
honesty is rare. you're the only person in your world who you can expect honesty from, i think. | |
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mrdespues said: Anxiety said: yes, you can. but you can't expect that honesty from anyone else. you can't expect too much in this world, but you can rely on the fact that there are some, if not plenty of honest people out there who will be honest with you. i've experienced it most of my life, but I started this thread cause I've come across a few people lately who don't fit the criteria of honest. . [Edited 1/18/05 19:48pm] There aren't many honest people. I don't expect everyone to be honest. My criteria for people are: 1) Fun 2) Smart 3) Nice (good) Sometimes very good people lie, and for very good reason. It doesn't help to tell a fat person their fat all the time. Sometimes, telling them that it looks like the walking regimine they're on is working is enough of a lie to keep them going. Anyways, I think white lies are o.k. and they actually help sometimes. | |
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AsianBomb777 said: mrdespues said: you can't expect too much in this world, but you can rely on the fact that there are some, if not plenty of honest people out there who will be honest with you. i've experienced it most of my life, but I started this thread cause I've come across a few people lately who don't fit the criteria of honest. . [Edited 1/18/05 19:48pm] There aren't many honest people. I don't expect everyone to be honest. My criteria for people are: 1) Fun 2) Smart 3) Nice (good) Sometimes very good people lie, and for very good reason. It doesn't help to tell a fat person their fat all the time. Sometimes, telling them that it looks like the walking regimine they're on is working is enough of a lie to keep them going. Anyways, I think white lies are o.k. and they actually help sometimes. yeah, but then, you're weird. | |
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mrdespues said: AsianBomb777 said: There aren't many honest people. I don't expect everyone to be honest. My criteria for people are: 1) Fun 2) Smart 3) Nice (good) Sometimes very good people lie, and for very good reason. It doesn't help to tell a fat person their fat all the time. Sometimes, telling them that it looks like the walking regimine they're on is working is enough of a lie to keep them going. Anyways, I think white lies are o.k. and they actually help sometimes. yeah, but then, you're weird. I'm one of the most down to earth people one could ever meet. That doesn't say much considering my choice for thread topics. But I really am. | |
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I'm as honest as they come.
That's why I'm Faux. | |
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I love that song
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mrdespues said: Honesty
Billy Joel If you search for tenderness It isn't hard to find You can have the love you need to live, But if you look for truthfulness You might just as well be blind It always seems to be so hard to give. Honesty is such a lonely word Everyone is so untrue, Honesty is hardly ever heard And mostly what I need from you. I can always find someone To say they symphatize If I wear my heart out on my sleeve, But I don't want some pretty face To tell me pretty lies All I want is someone to believe I can find a lover I can find a friend I can have security Until the bitter end Anyone can comfort me With promises again I know (I know), I know woh woh When I'm deep inside of me Don't be too concerned I won't ask for nothin' while I'm gone, But when I want sincerity Tell me where else can I turn? 'Cause you're the one that I depend upon. what a great song...one of my favs If you have to ask, it's more than worth it. | |
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dancinggyrl said: mrdespues said: Honesty
Billy Joel If you search for tenderness It isn't hard to find You can have the love you need to live, But if you look for truthfulness You might just as well be blind It always seems to be so hard to give. Honesty is such a lonely word Everyone is so untrue, Honesty is hardly ever heard And mostly what I need from you. I can always find someone To say they symphatize If I wear my heart out on my sleeve, But I don't want some pretty face To tell me pretty lies All I want is someone to believe I can find a lover I can find a friend I can have security Until the bitter end Anyone can comfort me With promises again I know (I know), I know woh woh When I'm deep inside of me Don't be too concerned I won't ask for nothin' while I'm gone, But when I want sincerity Tell me where else can I turn? 'Cause you're the one that I depend upon. what a great song...one of my favs I just read some of yer discussion...seems to me that there is a difference between "Truth" and "Honesty" - honesty can be much more subjective...but which one is more important? If you have to ask, it's more than worth it. | |
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The hardest part is being honest with yourself...I think we all find ways to avoid telling ourselves what we know to be true about our inner motivations behind our actions. Admitting everything to yourself about yourself is the healthiest and best way of bringing true honesty into your life and world...until you're able to do that, you'll just be looking for others to provide an honesty for you that you're unable to sincerely and profoundly provide for yourself.. | |
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Byron said: The hardest part is being honest with yourself...I think we all find ways to avoid telling ourselves what we know to be true about our inner motivations behind our actions. Admitting everything to yourself about yourself is the healthiest and best way of bringing true honesty into your life and world...until you're able to do that, you'll just be looking for others to provide an honesty for you that you're unable to sincerely and profoundly provide for yourself..
well said, aw with the little rose and everything. how sweet. anyway, yes that's true. honesty comes from within and then you will be able to find it in others if you show it. | |
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mrdespues said: Byron said: The hardest part is being honest with yourself...I think we all find ways to avoid telling ourselves what we know to be true about our inner motivations behind our actions. Admitting everything to yourself about yourself is the healthiest and best way of bringing true honesty into your life and world...until you're able to do that, you'll just be looking for others to provide an honesty for you that you're unable to sincerely and profoundly provide for yourself..
well said, aw with the little rose and everything. how sweet. anyway, yes that's true. honesty comes from within and then you will be able to find it in others if you show it. I'm like the kissing bandit...I leave a rose behind after every post..lol | |
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I don't think it's the being honest with yourself part that's hard. We all spend 24 hours as us, so it's not like we miss anything we do, or can realistically misinterpret our own motivations if we give even a minute's thought to our actions. What's difficult is being honest with ourselves and actually acting on that honesty. | |
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Fauxie said: I don't think it's the being honest with yourself part that's hard. We all spend 24 hours as us, so it's not like we miss anything we do, or can realistically misinterpret our own motivations if we give even a minute's thought to our actions. What's difficult is being honest with ourselves and actually acting on that honesty.
Well, I meant that we see the faults in others far easier than we see the faults in ourselves...it's easier to convince ourselves that what we do isn't as bad as what others do to us. We just tend to rationalize our behavior at every level when we think about our own actions. Honesty isn't simply about telling others what is true or having them tell you what's truth, it's also about looking into the mirror and acknowledging all the truths about yourself to yourself. Many times we fail to do that, out of stubborness, fear, insecurity..what have you. | |
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Byron said: Fauxie said: I don't think it's the being honest with yourself part that's hard. We all spend 24 hours as us, so it's not like we miss anything we do, or can realistically misinterpret our own motivations if we give even a minute's thought to our actions. What's difficult is being honest with ourselves and actually acting on that honesty.
Well, I meant that we see the faults in others far easier than we see the faults in ourselves...it's easier to convince ourselves that what we do isn't as bad as what others do to us. We just tend to rationalize our behavior at every level when we think about our own actions. Honesty isn't simply about telling others what is true or having them tell you what's truth, it's also about looking into the mirror and acknowledging all the truths about yourself to yourself. Many times we fail to do that, out of stubborness, fear, insecurity..what have you. True. We usually interpret our own actions pretty favourably. You forgot your | |
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Anxiety said: the only honesty is the honesty that comes from someone. honesty can't be judged or weighed. when that happens, someone is pressured to conform to someone else's truth...and that creates lies.
honesty is rare. you're the only person in your world who you can expect honesty from, i think. WHOA VERY fucking true. Makes me sad, but it really is true | |
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Byron said: Fauxie said: I don't think it's the being honest with yourself part that's hard. We all spend 24 hours as us, so it's not like we miss anything we do, or can realistically misinterpret our own motivations if we give even a minute's thought to our actions. What's difficult is being honest with ourselves and actually acting on that honesty.
Well, I meant that we see the faults in others far easier than we see the faults in ourselves...it's easier to convince ourselves that what we do isn't as bad as what others do to us. We just tend to rationalize our behavior at every level when we think about our own actions. Honesty isn't simply about telling others what is true or having them tell you what's truth, it's also about looking into the mirror and acknowledging all the truths about yourself to yourself. Many times we fail to do that, out of stubborness, fear, insecurity..what have you. It's interesting that you say that....people can go many different ways in accepting the honestly human parts of themselves, especially when it hurts or when you think particular aspects of your "human-ness" should be frowned upon. That is when you get into trouble ...when you let go and look around you and realize that no one has it all sussed out, and you have a bit of humility mixed with conviction (I feel like that word is tainted now), then reflecting honesty becomes easier within yourself & with others....geebus I feel corny If you have to ask, it's more than worth it. | |
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mrdespues said: Honesty
Billy Joel If you search for tenderness It isn't hard to find You can have the love you need to live, But if you look for truthfulness You might just as well be blind It always seems to be so hard to give. Honesty is such a lonely word Everyone is so untrue, Honesty is hardly ever heard And mostly what I need from you. I can always find someone To say they symphatize If I wear my heart out on my sleeve, But I don't want some pretty face To tell me pretty lies All I want is someone to believe I can find a lover I can find a friend I can have security Until the bitter end Anyone can comfort me With promises again I know (I know), I know woh woh When I'm deep inside of me Don't be too concerned I won't ask for nothin' while I'm gone, But when I want sincerity Tell me where else can I turn? 'Cause you're the one that I depend upon. | |
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