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Thread started 01/05/05 1:26am

2the9s

Queering Shakespeare

Was The merchant of Venice Gay?

Film: Was 'Merchant of Venice' gay?
New adaptation plays up Antonio's sexual orientation

Monday, January 3, 2005 Posted: 3:23 PM EST (2023 GMT)

NEW YORK (Reuters) -- Charges of anti-Semitism are standard fare when it comes to "The Merchant of Venice," but a new film adaptation of Shakespeare's play also raises another controversial question -- was the merchant gay?

An emotionally charged kiss between two men raises the issue of their sexual orientation, but even the actors who play them do not agree about what the kiss means.

The film, which opened nationally Wednesday, is based on Shakespeare's play about the merchant Antonio, whose friend Bassanio is deeply in debt and needs money to woo an heiress named Portia.

To help his friend, Antonio borrows money from the Jewish moneylender Shylock, who has been subjected to past prejudice and anti-Semitic insults from Antonio. In lieu of interest, Shylock, played by Al Pacino, demands a pound of Antonio's flesh if the loan is not repaid.

Despite a speech considered a classic plea for tolerance, "The Merchant of Venice" has long sparked charges of anti-Semitism for its unflattering portrait of Shylock. Director Michael Radford mitigates that characterization by portraying the indignities Jews faced in 16th-century Venice.

While quenching that fire, Radford fueled another.

Early in the film when Bassanio asks Antonio for the money, Radford has the two retire to Antonio's bedroom to talk. They discuss Bassanio's plans and Antonio agrees to help. Before he leaves, Bassanio delivers a kiss that is as passionate as any with Portia.
Fiennes: Language 'the key for me'

Joseph Fiennes, who plays Bassanio, is comfortable with the kiss and the idea that the two men may be lovers.

"I would never invent something before doing my detective work in the text," he told Reuters. "If you look at the choice of language ... you'll read very sensuous language.

"That's the key for me in the relationship," he said. "The great thing about Shakespeare and why he's so difficult to pin down is his ambiguity. He's not saying they're gay or they're straight, he's leaving it up to his actors."

"I feel there has to be a great love between the two characters ... there's great attraction. I don't think they have slept together but that's for the audience to decide."

But Jeremy Irons, who plays Antonio, was less convinced that the merchant was motivated by more than deep friendship.

"Be very careful if you see two men kissing each other that you don't jump to the wrong conclusions," Irons said.

"In Shakespeare's time male platonic love was the highest form of love ... Male platonic affection was regarded as a higher form of love to male-female, even husband and wife."

"It's important that there be a strong love," Irons added, but he said: "I didn't want it to be a homosexual love because that's an easy option. I didn't feel there were any clues."

"I was very surprised when Bassanio kissed me. And he only did it in one take."
'Directorial license'

Shakespeare scholars have not generally considered a homosexual motivation for Antonio, said Herman Gollob, author of "Me and Shakespeare: Adventures with the Bard," who attributed the kiss to "directorial license."

" 'The Catamite of Venice' has not been thought about as another title for the play," Gollob told Reuters.

Radford, who directed the Italian film "Il Postino" (The Postman), said he felt it was important to emphasize Antonio's love for Bassanio because of the play's final act, in which Bassanio's feelings for Portia and Antonio are tested.

"Obviously you can emphasize one thing or another," Radford said, promoting the film in New York this month.


Boy, that gives "a pound of flesh" a whole new meaning.

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"In Shakespeare's time male platonic love was the highest form of love ... Male platonic affection was regarded as a higher form of love to male-female, even husband and wife."


Ummm...wasn't that ancient Greece? confused
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Reply #1 posted 01/05/05 1:28am

althom

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I don't get Shakespeare! confused

Now if we were talking about Hot Cross Buns!!!!! biggrin
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Reply #2 posted 01/05/05 1:36am

2the9s

You know, the first 126 of Shakespeare's sonnets were addressed to a young man.

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Reply #3 posted 01/05/05 1:37am

althom

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2the9s said:

You know, the first 126 of Shakespeare's sonnets were addressed to a young man.

smile

You seem a bit fixated with this. confused
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Reply #4 posted 01/05/05 1:39am

2the9s

althom said:

2the9s said:

You know, the first 126 of Shakespeare's sonnets were addressed to a young man.

smile

You seem a bit fixated with this. confused


Jeremy Irons just seems a little defensive is all.
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Reply #5 posted 01/05/05 1:44am

darlinkia

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althom said:

2the9s said:

You know, the first 126 of Shakespeare's sonnets were addressed to a young man.

smile

You seem a bit fixated with this. confused

ur right...someone call the cop

2the9s said:
Ummm...wasn't that ancient Greece?

ancient greece was just pure pedagogy...one was either dominant or dominated, thats how it worked...male, female, didnt matter. it was all about showing power
[Edited 1/4/05 17:44pm]
"...took my sex and my money...took all my self esteem...had the nerve 2 think it was funny...i never knew a bitch so mean"
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Reply #6 posted 01/05/05 1:48am

2the9s

darlinkia said:


ancient greece was just pure pedagogy...one was either dominant or dominated, thats how it worked...male, female, didnt matter. it was all about showing power


I'm not sure I follow...

"Pedagogy"? Do you mean "pedophelia"?
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Reply #7 posted 01/05/05 1:52am

sweetserene

pedagogy: 1. The art or profession of teaching.
2. Preparatory training or instruction.
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Reply #8 posted 01/05/05 1:54am

2the9s

sweetserene said:

pedagogy: 1. The art or profession of teaching.
2. Preparatory training or instruction.


No, I know, I'm just not sure what darlinkia meant by it here in this context.
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Reply #9 posted 01/05/05 1:54am

sweetserene

2the9s said:

sweetserene said:

pedagogy: 1. The art or profession of teaching.
2. Preparatory training or instruction.


No, I know, I'm just not sure what darlinkia meant by it here in this context.



Mmhm. wink
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Reply #10 posted 01/05/05 1:55am

2the9s

sweetserene said:

2the9s said:



No, I know, I'm just not sure what darlinkia meant by it here in this context.



Mmhm. wink


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Reply #11 posted 01/05/05 1:55am

CarrieMpls

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Merchant of Venice was always my fave. Never looked at it this way...
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Reply #12 posted 01/05/05 1:56am

althom

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CarrieMpls said:

Merchant of Venice was always my fave. Never looked at it this way...

Marry me. rose
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Reply #13 posted 01/05/05 1:57am

sweetserene

2the9s said:

sweetserene said:




Mmhm. wink


mad


giggle

I think the point was that a teacher is usually seen as dominant over the student.. more powerful
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Reply #14 posted 01/05/05 2:00am

CarrieMpls

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althom said:

CarrieMpls said:

Merchant of Venice was always my fave. Never looked at it this way...

Marry me. rose


lol

hmph!
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Reply #15 posted 01/05/05 2:02am

althom

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CarrieMpls said:

althom said:


Marry me. rose


lol

hmph!

neutral wilted
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Reply #16 posted 01/05/05 2:03am

2the9s

sweetserene said:

2the9s said:



mad


giggle

I think the point was that a teacher is usually seen as dominant over the student.. more powerful


It just seems that Jeremy Irons is going out of his way (in a historically inaccurate way) to invoke some sterile asexual version of Platonic love to shield him from the very real possibility that Shakespeare was homosexual.

That's all.

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Reply #17 posted 01/05/05 2:05am

subhuman09

Men played many of the female roles in Shakespeare, so I think the line was pretty far to be crossed.

If you had to classify them I'd say many of them were closer to bisexual because in those times they did not have many of the very useful distractions that make our lives as meaningful as they are.

Like reality television and the ability to watch the microwave.

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Reply #18 posted 01/05/05 2:05am

2the9s

subhuman09 said:

Like reality television and the ability to watch the microwave.

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jerkoff
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Reply #19 posted 01/05/05 2:06am

subhuman09

2the9s said:

subhuman09 said:

Like reality television and the ability to watch the microwave.

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jerkoff


...but how close do you stand next to the microwave?

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Reply #20 posted 01/05/05 2:08am

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subhuman09 said:

2the9s said:



jerkoff


...but how close do you stand next to the microwave?

eek



whofarted
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Reply #21 posted 01/05/05 2:10am

subhuman09

DiminutiveRocker said:

subhuman09 said:



...but how close do you stand next to the microwave?

eek



whofarted


I wouldn't have either of those open.
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Reply #22 posted 01/05/05 2:11am

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subhuman09 said:

DiminutiveRocker said:




whofarted


I wouldn't have either of those open.



lol right on.
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Reply #23 posted 01/05/05 2:36am

Lammastide

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Interesting. I guess this in invogue...

Here in Cleveland, there was recently a production of Othello, in which Iago was played as a lesbian. The reviews were great.
Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.”
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Reply #24 posted 01/05/05 3:30am

glamslamkid

Shakespeare was gay. lock
GlamSlamKid...The resident clown on Prince.orgy

Paw Power Pussy paw
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Reply #25 posted 01/05/05 8:16am

darlinkia

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sweetserene said:

2the9s said:



No, I know, I'm just not sure what darlinkia meant by it here in this context.



Mmhm. wink

u guys r correct and will have 2 excuse me please...
what i meant was pederasty
"...took my sex and my money...took all my self esteem...had the nerve 2 think it was funny...i never knew a bitch so mean"
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Reply #26 posted 01/05/05 8:33pm

cborgman

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2the9s said:


Boy, that gives "a pound of flesh" a whole new meaning.

smile




falloff
Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton
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Reply #27 posted 01/05/05 10:53pm

bkw

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cborgman said:

2the9s said:


Boy, that gives "a pound of flesh" a whole new meaning.

smile




falloff

I second that --> falloff

Too funny! lol
When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading.
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