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Thread started 01/02/05 6:41pm

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O.J. - Ur verdict?

What did u think, and how did u feel after the fact?


At the time I was really thinking guilty (especially after watching the movie and for weird antics afterwards).
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Reply #1 posted 01/02/05 7:12pm

eugnj420

paisleypark4 said:

What did u think, and how did u feel after the fact?


At the time I was really thinking guilty (especially after watching the movie and for weird antics afterwards).

Oh, I'm sure the real killer is still out there. Too bad O.J. had to give up the search due to lack of funds.
Must have been those Colombian drug lords Johnny Cockring told us about. There are so many instances of them coming to this country, and slitting the throats of citizens and their boyfriends at their homes in a rage-fueled bloodfest.
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Reply #2 posted 01/02/05 7:17pm

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I never understood the contreversy over this.

OJ's guilty. That's that.

He was aquited for stupid technicalities, and a jury that was obviously stupid as hell. But that's our system, and he got off.

I'm not saying that it was right. And I'd never say that murder is justified--but he didn't exactly kill mother Teresa.
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Reply #3 posted 01/02/05 7:53pm

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Looks a WHOLE LOT like he did it, but somehow I've never quite been totally convinced that he was physically or intellectually able to do all that stuff and get away with it.

I think the "Jason Simpson did it" theory was never quite given due attention.
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Reply #4 posted 01/02/05 8:09pm

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Reply #5 posted 01/02/05 8:16pm

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Lammastide said:

Looks a WHOLE LOT like he did it, but somehow I've never quite been totally convinced that he was physically or intellectually able to do all that stuff and get away with it.

I think the "Jason Simpson did it" theory was never quite given due attention.

Physically? The man was a pro-football player in a jealous rage.
Intellectually? There was no real plan here. He slit their throats, and in the process, cut himself, and their blood and his blood were everywhere.
Unless you believe that a whole bunch of cops, from flatffoots to forensics, some of whom didn't even know each other, all decided on the spur of the moment to pin the crime on O.J.for no discernable reason, all the while unaware if O.J. would simply have a rock-solid alibi that make them all out to be conspiratorial liars.
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Reply #6 posted 01/02/05 8:37pm

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Lammastide said:

Looks a WHOLE LOT like he did it, but somehow I've never quite been totally convinced that he was physically or intellectually able to do all that stuff and get away with it.

I think the "Jason Simpson did it" theory was never quite given due attention.



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Reply #7 posted 01/02/05 8:40pm

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I thought that Maggie Simpson did it? confuse
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Reply #8 posted 01/02/05 8:45pm

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I thought that Maggie Simpson did it? confuse


You're thinking of The Burns Conspiracy

Now a major motion picture starring Ed Asner.
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Reply #9 posted 01/02/05 8:49pm

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subhuman09 said:

bkw said:

I thought that Maggie Simpson did it? confuse


You're thinking of The Burns Conspiracy

Now a major motion picture starring Ed Asner.

doh!
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Reply #10 posted 01/02/05 9:09pm

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eugnj420 said:

Lammastide said:

Looks a WHOLE LOT like he did it, but somehow I've never quite been totally convinced that he was physically or intellectually able to do all that stuff and get away with it.

I think the "Jason Simpson did it" theory was never quite given due attention.

Physically? The man was a pro-football player in a jealous rage.

Yeah... a 50-something-year-old former football player with screwed up joints killing a strapping dude half his age AND another person, tearing through a quiet L.A. suburb altogether unseen in a white Bronco, jumping fences, recovering after running full-speed into an air conditioning unit, changing clothes, catching his breath, looking pretty... yada yada yada... all in less than 30 mins. lol I suppose it's possible. Just has always sounded a bit "Hertz commercial" to me.


Intellectually? There was no real plan here. He slit their throats, and in the process, cut himself, and their blood and his blood were everywhere.
Unless you believe that a whole bunch of cops, from flatffoots to forensics, some of whom didn't even know each other, all decided on the spur of the moment to pin the crime on O.J.for no discernable reason, all the while unaware if O.J. would simply have a rock-solid alibi that make them all out to be conspiratorial liars.

First, Relax.

As logistics go, he didn't just "slit their throats." Forensics suggest there was, at least in the case of Goldman, quite a struggle. And as I recall, the blood crossover (that is, their blood in his Bronco and house; his blood at Nicole's place) was notably small. Those were two of the sticking points for the jury as I understand.

Next, I'm not big on conspiracy cop-outs... even where racist cops are in the mix. I would remind that a conspiracy takes only two like-minded individuals to set things into motion (and only one person, incidentally, to corrupt evidence beyond repair). But I've never been convinced that the cops en masse had it out for O.J. enough to orchestrate an entire months-long drama. (And, as I think they weren't collectively too much smarter than O.J., I'm not so sure they could all intellectually pull off a full-scale framing.)

I just look at O.J. and realize that he's not an intellectual giant. That he never slipped up enough -- during or after this affair -- to blow his cover is simply remarkable to me. I totally believe, though, that if he didn't do it, he knows who did.


As I said, overall, it seems an all too obvious conclusion that O.J. did it. I've certainly never defended him... and never will. It's just not grossly less plausible that Jason, his son, did it. There's a new book investigating it, actually, and it sounds suprisingly reasonable from several forensic standpoints.
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Reply #11 posted 01/02/05 9:13pm

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Lammastide said:

As I said, overall, it seems an obvious conclusion that O.J. did it. I've certainly never defended him... and never will. It's just not grossly less plausible that Jason, his son, did it. There's a new book investigating it, actually, and it sounds suprisingly reasonable from several forensic standpoints.



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Reply #12 posted 01/02/05 10:16pm

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Nah, OJ did it for sure. In the book The Gift of Fear by Gavin deBecker he says in a section about domestic violence that "Nicole had been in the wrong place for a long time".....He took off in the Bronco for crying out loud. He did it. He has to live with what he did for the rest of his life. I hope the Peterson trial sent a message to him.
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Reply #13 posted 01/03/05 8:13am

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I think OJ did it, though I think its possible he had help. I think the whole "framing" thing is also possible (the whole planted glove thing certainly sounds fishy), but that doesn't mean OJ was innocent. If anything, I think a couple of idiot cops KNEW that OJ was the killer, but didn't have the evidence to support it, so they planted some. Hey, its as valid a theory as anything.

You're a bad, bad man OJ!
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Reply #14 posted 01/03/05 8:19am

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I still think he's guilty.
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Reply #15 posted 01/03/05 9:05am

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i wish it wasnt true, but, its obvious that OJ did it.
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Reply #16 posted 01/03/05 9:06am

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man... i didnt wanna believe it... yanno? i was like "nah.. not the Juice impossible,, not the Juice"..this cat was a hero of mine growing up..but i saw it on his face, he did it..
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Reply #17 posted 01/03/05 9:13am

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AsianBoi777 said:

I'm not saying that it was right. And I'd never say that murder is justified--but he didn't exactly kill mother Teresa.


This is the thing I never understood about this case. Instead of facing the stark reality that the facts spoke pretty loud and clear as to OJs guilt, people focused on the fact that Nicole wasn't "innocent". What the fuck does that have to do with the price or tea? Especially when OJ wasn't the faithful partner people were accusing Nicole of not being.
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Reply #18 posted 01/03/05 9:25am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

AsianBoi777 said:

I'm not saying that it was right. And I'd never say that murder is justified--but he didn't exactly kill mother Teresa.


This is the thing I never understood about this case. Instead of facing the stark reality that the facts spoke pretty loud and clear as to OJs guilt, people focused on the fact that Nicole wasn't "innocent". What the fuck does that have to do with the price or tea? Especially when OJ wasn't the faithful partner people were accusing Nicole of not being.


I know! I can remember cats in my neighborhood were runnin' around like: "Nicole was a whore! Nicole was a whore!" I remember thinking; "So.... neutral
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Reply #19 posted 01/03/05 9:38am

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I too believe that Jason did it. I think that OJ took off in the Bronco to go see his mom or Ex wife in SF to for advice. He was distraught because of his SON, not his dead ex wife, when he pulled up to that house, who was the first one to approach the Bronco? Jason. I believe that Jason had a thing for Nicole and killed her and Ron Goldman. I believe that afternoon in the house it was agreed to have OJ go to trial--"they'll never convict the Juice" but who cares about Jason- the son of a washed up football player--nobody. they planned it knowing the evidence wasnt quite right--if it don't fit aquit.


Jason wears the same size shoe as his dad doesn't he? is roughly the same build but younger and stronger--no messed up joints.

Where is Jason now? anybody know?

that's who got away with murder.
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Reply #20 posted 01/03/05 9:40am

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I believe OJ did it, though there are some interesting ideas about his son being the killer.
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Reply #21 posted 01/03/05 9:57am

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Sad to say, I must agree somewhat.. I felt OJ never did it, but the more i hear now, the more i wonder.. maybe he did have something to do with it.. However I do feel incredibly strongly that his son had somethign to do with it too.. His son almost past out when the verdict was read.. I just got a sense that he knew too much or was involved somehow!

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Reply #22 posted 01/03/05 10:00am

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this thread fascinates me...

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Reply #23 posted 01/03/05 10:10am

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OJ is a double murderer. There's no doubt in my mind. He's a murderer walking around free as a bird. I hope when his daughter is an adult she investigates her mothers death again and finds the bastard guilty. I'd love to see him in jail for those 2 murders. He makes me sick!
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

AsianBoi777 said:

I'm not saying that it was right. And I'd never say that murder is justified--but he didn't exactly kill mother Teresa.


This is the thing I never understood about this case. Instead of facing the stark reality that the facts spoke pretty loud and clear as to OJs guilt, people focused on the fact that Nicole wasn't "innocent". What the fuck does that have to do with the price or tea? Especially when OJ wasn't the faithful partner people were accusing Nicole of not being.



I sort of feel sick when I read that kind of crap.
That sounds like step one to ok domestic abuse.
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Reply #25 posted 01/03/05 10:49am

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From Saturday Night Live's "The Fake News", with Norm MacDonald:

"O.J. Simpson did not spend Mothers Day with his children. When asked why, he replied, 'Duh! Because I killed their mother!' "

"Two more jurors were removed from the Simpson case after revelations of conflicts of interest. One of the jurors once worked for Hertz and the other juror once held Nicole's glasses while O.J. killed her."

"O.J. Simpson reportedly has a videotape that he says proves who actually murdered Nicole. He said he intends to use this tape as evidence in his upcoming civil trial. What's on the tape? The first Simpson trial."

"Tempers flared in the O.J. Simpson trial this week. Fred Goldman stood up and shouted, 'Stop giving me that damn look!' O.J. replied, 'Look, I didn't give you a look. You're just mad because I killed your son.' "

"It was revealed this week that defense lawyer Johnny Cochran was once accused of beating his wife. In his defense Cochran stated, 'Hey, at least I didn't kill her like some people I know.' "

"Thurman Thomas of the Buffalo Bills has just broken some of O.J.'s records recently. He now leads the Bills in touchdowns and yards. Next on his list: Killing two people at once."


From Chris Rock:

"(After the O.J. verdict), black people were like, "We won!!! We won!!!" What the fuck did we win? Every day I check the mail for my O.J. prize: nothin'."
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Ace said:

From Saturday Night Live's "The Fake News", with Norm MacDonald:

"O.J. Simpson did not spend Mothers Day with his children. When asked why, he replied, 'Duh! Because I killed their mother!' "

"Two more jurors were removed from the Simpson case after revelations of conflicts of interest. One of the jurors once worked for Hertz and the other juror once held Nicole's glasses while O.J. killed her."

"O.J. Simpson reportedly has a videotape that he says proves who actually murdered Nicole. He said he intends to use this tape as evidence in his upcoming civil trial. What's on the tape? The first Simpson trial."

"Tempers flared in the O.J. Simpson trial this week. Fred Goldman stood up and shouted, 'Stop giving me that damn look!' O.J. replied, 'Look, I didn't give you a look. You're just mad because I killed your son.' "

"It was revealed this week that defense lawyer Johnny Cochran was once accused of beating his wife. In his defense Cochran stated, 'Hey, at least I didn't kill her like some people I know.' "

"Thurman Thomas of the Buffalo Bills has just broken some of O.J.'s records recently. He now leads the Bills in touchdowns and yards. Next on his list: Killing two people at once."


From Chris Rock:

"(After the O.J. verdict), black people were like, "We won!!! We won!!!" What the fuck did we win? Every day I check the mail for my O.J. prize: nothin'."


Can't forget:

"After trying on the bloody glove, OJ said 'see? These are definitely not the gloves I wore when I killed them'".
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Reply #27 posted 01/03/05 11:28am

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JediMaster said:

Can't forget:

"After trying on the bloody glove, OJ said 'see? These are definitely not the gloves I wore when I killed them'".

falloff Is that a Norm MacDonald, too?
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Reply #28 posted 01/03/05 11:37am

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From Chris Rock:

"(After the O.J. verdict), black people were like, "We won!!! We won!!!" What the fuck did we win? Every day I check the mail for my O.J. prize: nothin'."[/quote]


falloff

hadn't heard that one!!!
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Reply #29 posted 01/03/05 10:01pm

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Lammastide said:[quote]

eugnj420 said:


Yeah... a 50-something-year-old former football player with screwed up joints killing a strapping dude half his age AND another person, tearing through a quiet L.A. suburb altogether unseen in a white Bronco, jumping fences, recovering after running full-speed into an air conditioning unit, changing clothes, catching his breath, looking pretty... yada yada yada... all in less than 30 mins. lol I suppose it's possible. Just has always sounded a bit "Hertz commercial" to me.


Intellectually? There was no real plan here. He slit their throats, and in the process, cut himself, and their blood and his blood were everywhere.
Unless you believe that a whole bunch of cops, from flatffoots to forensics, some of whom didn't even know each other, all decided on the spur of the moment to pin the crime on O.J.for no discernable reason, all the while unaware if O.J. would simply have a rock-solid alibi that make them all out to be conspiratorial liars.

First, Relax.

As logistics go, he didn't just "slit their throats." Forensics suggest there was, at least in the case of Goldman, quite a struggle. And as I recall, the blood crossover (that is, their blood in his Bronco and house; his blood at Nicole's place) was notably small. Those were two of the sticking points for the jury as I understand.

Next, I'm not big on conspiracy cop-outs... even where racist cops are in the mix. I would remind that a conspiracy takes only two like-minded individuals to set things into motion (and only one person, incidentally, to corrupt evidence beyond repair). But I've never been convinced that the cops en masse had it out for O.J. enough to orchestrate an entire months-long drama. (And, as I think they weren't collectively too much smarter than O.J., I'm not so sure they could all intellectually pull off a full-scale framing.)

I just look at O.J. and realize that he's not an intellectual giant. That he never slipped up enough -- during or after this affair -- to blow his cover is simply remarkable to me. I totally believe, though, that if he didn't do it, he knows who did.


As I said, overall, it seems an all too obvious conclusion that O.J. did it. I've certainly never defended him... and never will. It's just not grossly less plausible that Jason, his son, did it. There's a new book investigating it, actually, and it sounds suprisingly reasonable from several forensic standpoints.
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It seems "all too obvious" because he's guilty! What was the bronco chase about?
And that note he wrote...something about being a lost soul?
And why sit in the driveway all that time?
If he didn't kill her, and even if he knew who did, why would he run?
If he wasn't there, why go through all that trouble?
Just stop and get out of the car the minute the cops pull you over and that's it.
If you didn't do it, you would having nothing to fear.

And this thing about being 50, and arthritic...have you ever personally seen the man hobbiling around? Or was this all played up by Cochran & Co.?
It certainly doesn't seem to prevent him from swinging the old nine-iron.
And he clearly never had trouble kicking his wife's ass in the past. And yes, there was a struggle that night, which O.J. clearly won.
There are any number of 50 year olds who could kick the ass of guys thirty years younger. O.J., arthtritis or not, is a big man stronger than many his age.

Now, think about a time when you've been really angry. When you wanted to break or throw something? Or maybe even hit someone.?
The rage takes over your body, thanks to the adrenaline, and you get stronger. Now throw a history of jealousy and anger into the mix.
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