How sad for your friends Irre and poor little Lucy.

I to get mad at people for having vicious dogs. It does not make you a bad ass. It is not necessary for protection. It is cruel to the dogs to make them so mean and frustrating for your neighbors, who to an extent, live in fear that something just like this will happen.

for you I.B.

'ers for lil lucy

I don't like hearing this awful news but you know how I luv lil doggies and my heartfelt wishes to all...

will do. my man wanted a pit. but i told him no 'cause we have kids. he was mad but he relaxed when i told him he'd be by himself if he got the dog. they won't be around my kids. i used to live in a housing project and this family had alot of kids. they owned pits-the mean ones. people complained and had to get rid of them. when people work together, things get done. its also a terrible thing when they get train these dogs to fight and thus hurting the dogs to. its a sad thing. sorry about your friends dog.

Here in LA, there are areas where gang members own these dogs. It's disgusting, especially knowing what they do with them. Training them to fight and kill. Sometimes these pit owners even snatch small animals and use them as training tools, throwing them in the ring with pits to make them aggressive and train them to attack. These are scary dogs and any owners who have pets that attack should be held fully accountable. Own a killer dog and it hurts or kills something/someone you are going to pay the price.

Uhhhh...there was this case here in California where this woman was coming home to her apartment with her groceries and she was mauled to death by two of her neighbors dogs. The neighbor was there during the attack and couldn't call off her dogs. She was initially charged with involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to 4 years but the judge overturned the verdict and the couple was let out on parole after serving 2 years. She should have paid for what her dogs did to that woman. You don't own those kind of dogs and not know their capabilities.

I'm really sorry to hear this baby.

I am so sorry for Lucy, and her owners!

and for you,

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I remember this case. It was in the San Fran. area.

Well in 2002 I shot and killed my neighbors mixed-breed pit bull because it attacked my 83 yr old Grandmother. We has complained on the owner and she was cited numerous times, fined never paid them. The dog was not licensed nor did it have its shots!!! I don't feel bad because i killed it, shot it 6 times. The peeps in Frankfort where they autopsy the dogs determined that he did have rabies and my Granmother has to undergo the shots at her age!!!

The total cost was $1,585.00 I have insurance and Medicaid on her. Plus she developed an infection in the 17 stiches and had to be sent to a plastic surgeon surgeon to have the wound cleaned, re-sutured, and given another round of anti-botics!!

Needless to say it was stressful and physcially painful for my Grandmother. I have petetioned my ass off the have ALL AGGRESSIVE BREEDS banned as well.

If my neighbor wasn't there it would have killed her, she was outside getting the trash can in. I got no money in small claims got and the neighbor moved but I know were she is!!!! She is broke and in bad health so I leave it alone now!!!

irresistibleb1tch said:

The case was in San Francisco. And the couple didn't express the kind of remorse you'd think they would have. And yes, I do believe they trained the dogs to be aggressive, which is why they should pay the price. Actually a friend of a friend had this hulking pit bull and it was the biggest lovable baby. I think instinct definitely does play a part with those dogs, but training is the key factor. That dog was not trained to be mean, and he wasn't. I still wouldn't ever want one as a pet though.

rachel3 said:

what a terrible story! i hope your grandmother is feeling better - that must have been a horrible shock to her and everybody involved.

we often think of small children and other animals, when really, so many of us are vulnerable.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

friends of mine rescued a pit bull mix as well, and she is quite friendly. still, it bothers me when they play tug-of-war (i've tried to discourage them from doing that) and the dog just won't let go. it's scary.

IB ...


*sigh*

my best friend's brothers 5 yr old son was killed by the family dog that grew up with the child


ya never know

with any animal





hug edit damnit

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Honest to freakin' goodness, those breeds are bad because people raise them to be. Pitbulls are no more agressive than golden retrievers when they are raised as family members rather than as guard dogs or fighters. They are phyiscially strong and they are loyal, but they aren't mean by nature.

Ask anybody in the pet care industry what the nasty, mean breeds are. You know what you'll hear? Not pitbulls. Not rotweilers. Chows and Shar Peis! Anybody campaigning to get rid of them, aside from veterinary technicians?

Pitbulls are high on my list of dogs I'd love to have if I were going to get a dog.


That said, I don't support dog breeding. If it were up to me, there would be no "purebreds" at all.

tackam said:

Fuck. Fuck. Double fuck.


I agree with you. Totally.

Now I KNOW the world's ending.

I think it's the dumbasses who don't know how to train the dogs that shouldn't be bred

Let me play the devil's advocate here for a little while ok?

If we're talking extinction of "these breeds", we need to exterminate ALL of them. That means terriers of all sizes, from jack russell to airdale, because ALL terriers have the traits in common. Then we need to add rottweiler, dobermann, boxers, shar peis, chows, dogo argentino... not to mention all of the European herding mountain dogs, who are all bred to protect the herd from EVERYTHING. Note I say MOUNTAIN dogs because the sheep dogs on flat lands work with humans, the mountain dogs do not.

So... out goes

as well as


You cannot say A without saying B in this case, so what will it be folks? Any terrier owners out there who don't know their dogs are bred to fight? They're bred to fight rats, but still it's fighting. So away with all of them I say, and while we're at it, kill all those dogs who aren't bred for a working reason. These "bred-for-looks" breeds have way to many racial defects to be allowed to live really. One defect to equal another right? Whether or not it's having to be delivered by c-section or a fighting temper, a defect is a defect.

See how silly it gets?

i don't know that much about dogs but when i get a house i plan to get a dog for my boys. what would be the best dog for kids and the easiest to train?

tackam said:

I totally agree. I have two Dobermans and they are the sweetest dogs I have ever been around. They have never even snapped at a human before. Dogs are mean because people raise them to be. Just like humans, if you raise a person to be shit, then they sometimes are.

Ok, now that I'm finished playing devil's advocate, I'll state my opinion that goes very much like Tackam's and Heavenly's. It's all about WHO OWNS THE DOG and not the dog itself. Do you blame a child for its bad behaviour? No, you blame the parent for not teaching it the right behaviour. Although, when you MIX these breeds with each other, you are playing with fire because you get an instable and unpredictable dog that you have to be an expert to read and gauge the behaviour and training. I agree that mixes between these breeds should be put down or neutered simply because there aren't that many experienced people to handle them.
What I DON'T agree with though, is the notion that all these breeds should be exterminated. In my earlier post I talked about the consequences of such a thinking, and you HAVE TO BE consequent about it. A few years ago, jack russell terriers were responsible for the highest number of bite injuries on children in Sweden. Now the dubious throne has been taken over by the omni beloved golden retriever. Why? Because people don't realise that all these animals have the capability to cause damage, THEY ARE NOT TOYS!

People are responsible for their dog, IN EVERYTHING. In harshness, your friends should have made sure the other dog couldn't get to it. Maybe it had been barking at the pit mix, what do I know? Many small dogs bark at everything and expect never to have to pay for it, but that's not how it goes. Responsibility in everything people, if my dog gets attacked I have a responsibility. I carry dog tear gas when I walk my dog, to be able to defend her should something happened. So far the only dog to attack her, twice, is....surprise, surprise, a mix... german shepherd/rottweiler/rhodesian ridgeback. Not a good mix, I told the owner if it happens again he's gonna have to put her down cos my dog doesn't go anywhere near that one... if my dog had been barking at her acting up I would've expected her to teach my dog a lesson, I'd been grateful. I can teach her how to behave towards me but not towards other dogs.

I'm sorry about your friends' dog of course, it sucks that these things happen. Little doggy rest in peace

heybaby said:

Sony AIBO

heybaby said:

There isn't an answer to that really. Dogs are individuals. Also, if all you're gonna have is a little yard it's not enough for the dog. It needs mental and physical exercise. That means your sons will have to be able to walk the dog, and protect it against other bad dogs as well they can. It's a huuuuuge responsibility but generally I love the thought of having children around animals because they learn to care for another living being.

I'd say start reading up NOW on different breeds, call the local ASPCA or animal rights center and ask for the nearest dog trainer/ club where people train, so you can go out and learn. Then, when you get the puppy (I think you should get a puppy), TAKE A COURSE IN BASIC OBEDIENCE! Don't wait until the dog's grown up cos that's like waiting to raise your children till they're 18. Then you'll get good help. It takes a lot of work but you'll get a friend for a long time if you do it right.

Teacher said:

thanks! i oldest loves animals and dogs especially seem to like him. so i'm fulfill my promise to him when we get outta this apartment. i always envisioned a huge backyard when i get a house so it would be perfect.

heybaby said:

Get a mix! They are healthier, and then you're not supporting irresponsible dog breeders.

You can look for one who is in foster care through your local shelter system. That way, the family can tell you about their personality and good/bad habits.

If you were going to INSIST on getting a purebred from a breeder -- don't!!! -- get references and have the dog seen by a vet immediately. I think Pugs, Boston Terriers, and Cavalier King Charls Spaniels are good, cooperative dogs to have with kids (and the Cavalier tends to be the healthiest of those). If you want something a little larger, boxers and labs can be nice too (and labs the healtheir of those). But they are ALL individuals, and any individual dog can be great or a pain in the ass.

And whatever you get, get them neutered.

Teacher said:

Probably so.

irresistibleb1tch said:

that's awful...

tackam said:

Those are all good family dogs, as are beagles - notice the avatar

RipHer2Shreds said:

I have a personal hatred of beagles, and I don't think they are the best to train. Smart and stubborn. But they do tend to get along well with kids, and they are a nice size. Prone to allergies/skin problems.

Prosecute the owner to the fullest extent of the law.....And then skin the owner with fish hooks.