psychodelicide said:

As for myself, I would never, never use corporal punishment anyone, and especially not a child. Like I said, if a parent thinks they need to resort to violence to get the message across, they're just not trying hard enough. My opinion is not going to change for anything -inflicting pain to teach a lesson is WRONG.

You have not answered my question: you've carefully manoevered around it. Maybe it's because you can't see how fucking twisted the whole thing is. I'll ask one more time, and it's directed not just at you, but anyone who supports corporal punishment:

Why is it okay to hit a child, but not an adult? And don't give me that "it's the only way they'll learn" bullshit -a lot of adults need to be slapped, yet it would be assault if someone did.

Thanks, naked, I appreciate it.

meow85 said:

And you didn't answer my question about who gave you authority as to whether to spank or not to spank a child, so I guess that makes us even as far as "maneuvering" around a question. Okay, now I'm really outta here.
[Edited 12/15/04 20:55pm]

Okay, I didn't want to say this, 'cause of the "sensitive" people in here, but first off, I don't think you should keep your kids at home because of some beavioral issues. Despite what some of you believe, you CAN make your kids behave!!!!! Spare the rod.....get out that damn strap!!!!! For God's sake, tap that ass!!! You don't have to BEAT the kids, you don't have to strangle them, but get out a belt and TAP THAT ASS!!!!! It's just that simple!! Ghaaaaat-dayum!!!!!

psychodelicide said:

I never said I have authority of whether or not parents spank their kids. I said that because I've recently been a kid myself, I have authority to comment on this in way that someone who's been an adult for a while can't.

I may not be a parent, but at 19 I've only recently been a kid, so I feel I have some authority on the issue.

meow85 said:

hey, heres an idea... how about not saying what you would and wouldnt do if you were in a situation that you have NO idea what that situation is like ?? you are still a child my dear and yes, you have opinions... though as you grow, they could change. how about not attacking someone else on here using your carefully selected words its probably not the best way to have this conversation.

nan, i AM a mother, and i appreciate most everything you have said here...

If you don't have authority on this subject, then why did you post this?

meow85 said:

Seems to me that you've contradicted yourself there.

Whatever, but it seems to me that you did. I can see that this discussion is going nowhere.

Thanks, Subhuman. I'm done fighting, since obviously, I'm talking to a brick wall.

psychodelicide said:

I never said I have authority of whether or not parents spank their kids. I said that because I've recently been a kid myself, I have authority to comment on this in way that someone who's been an adult for a while can't.

psychodelicide said:

Maybe the brick wall would shut up if someone just answered her damn question?

psychodelicide said:

Maybe the brick wall would shut up if someone just answered her damn question?

meow85 said:

understand there is no answer for your "damn" question thats gonna make you say, oh yeah, good point, you win... its a lost cause...you dont spank your imaginary kids, i will spank mine when they need it, ok ?

get over yourself

meow85 said:

are you seriously trying to say that i am so old the i have forgotten what it feels like to be a kid ????? girl, back up..... slow down before you hurt yoursef.. its not that deep, its a conversation, and, i for one can promise you dont have all (if any) answers to this, ok ?

Thank you!!!!

meow85 said:

understand there is no answer for your "damn" question thats gonna make you say, oh yeah, good point, you win... its a lost cause...you dont spank your imaginary kids, i will spank mine when they need it, ok ?

get over yourself

meow85 said:

understand there is no answer for your "damn" question thats gonna make you say, oh yeah, good point, you win... its a lost cause...you dont spank your imaginary kids, i will spank mine when they need it, ok ?

get over yourself

nakedpianoplayer said:

Even if someone DID have a good answer to her question, she STILL would not listen to it.

I would if someone would answer. No one's bothered to actually address my question yet.

I have raised a son...who is an adult now...mostly as a single mother...and I am now very much in my grandchildrens lives...to this day I can give my adult son a (THE) look and he knows it's enough...my grandchildren (7 and 8) ...I would take them anywhere and know that they would not disturb others, run around, mouth off, get loud, etc. but for a minute because I would also give them the LOOK! I only explain expectations of behavior once or twice.
Here it is ...
1. There ARE exceptions ...differetly abled and other challenges.
2. I do not believe in violence of any kind or form ...I spanked my son twice when he was a child (he still laughs at my attempts) and have never raised a hand to my grandchildren.
3. Leading by example and role modeling are critical...people are amazed that my grandchildren use the following terms...yes mam, no sir, thank you, please, etc.
4. There is no one answer to parenting....based on culture, discipline, etc..but I do feel stronlgy that setting boundaries about appropriate behavior in public, with others, etc. etc. is a major key
5. By the way, my grandchildren have bad days, fight, get tired and all of that ...they also yell, run, and scream and have a great time...in the appropriate places. btw my grandchildren/son also get more hugs and affection than they necessarily want
6. Discipline is necessary and comes in many forms...what works for one child may not work for another...time outs, removing privileges (restrictions), etc.
7. Parent or not we must make allowances for children who are sutck on a plane, tired, etc...but I do find it difficult to understand parents who will not set and stick to boundaries for their children as necessay.

Though most of this has already been said I thought I would try to summarize what I agree with and of course...add my
BTW ...I finally found a thread/topic in THIS forum that truly grabbed my attention...for those of you who care!
[Edited 12/15/04 23:20pm]

nakedpianoplayer said:

Kids never need to be spanked -it's their parents who should be slapped.