doctormcmeekle said:

there's no such thing as a restaurant that doesn't except children. however, there is such a thing as soundproof glass. the indoor playgrounds at mcdonalds are covered in it and their an establishment that caters directly to children. i really don;t see the big deal of other restaurants using it as well. i'm not saying beat the fuckers til they bleed or anything. i;m just saying that everyone would be much happier if there were sections in restaurants that were dedicated to children so that patrons without children don;t have to hear the constant noise. good gawd, people. in the words of chris rock, "boo if you like. you know i'm right!" so there.

and for the record, i'm not a part of any antichild brigade. but there are appropriate places for children and some parents don;t seem to realize that. most children end up taking a fit because of sensory overload. i know this because i've experienced it as a child and can recognize it from a mile away. too bad most parents can;t.

doctormcmeekle said:

Oh I'm not mad at (ie.) the train driver when some child is acting up on transit. I place blame on the parents

Let's spank the parents! bkw, get over here

doctormcmeekle said:

i'd so shag you!

I must admit, this thread is making me question how I feel about this.

I know for a fact that you can raise a child without hitting them.

But do you think it's okay to let a child make full-bodied screams around the company of others just "cuz they're tired/hungry/whatever"?

doctormcmeekle said:

Parents' embarrassment has NOTHING to do with it. The reason why parents don't hit kids in public today is because as soon as someone would witness it, the parent would be reported for "beating their child", as several posters have pointed out above.

I honestly don't know if I would spank a misbehaving child (this thread has honestly made me question my views on this as well), but as another person posted above, sometimes spanking is the only option a parent has left when every other option (talking to them, timeouts) have not worked.

doctormcmeekle said:

Go get em Doc!



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CinisterCee said:

Now you're talking!!

psychodelicide said:

Just like spousal beating?

Let me preface this thread by saying that I have not read the balance of the thread....

On children out of control in restraunt:

If one of my kids back in the day acted up they knew what was to come. If they were merely tired then I got the goods to go and gave everyone a break. If it was a case of child asserting themselves because they thought I wouldn't do anything about it their bad!
If my child threw a fork at another they were in for a ruff ride! Nothing worse then an inconsistent parent in this household. Guess what? Because they knew the decision was gonna cost them and bring an effect they didn't desire they chose not to do it. Go figure! I would just look up and say go for what you know and so will I. They learned life is a multitude of choices.

I can take my kids anywhere, anytime and leave them anywhere and they are asked back and doted on for there genuine good behavior and kind spirit.

I thank my mother for having the courage to go against the tide of the 70's.

Prime example: My cousins and I all were up to no good.... My Aunt caught us... 12 kids did the crime but only I did the time... My mother came out and let me have a quick spanking in front of the whole group. They were raised so well they stood around and laughed their asses off. I was degraded. My mother said did this embarrass you?I cried yes and she replied good! You have embarrassed me I'll make a deal with you, you don't embarrass me and I won't embarrass you! My entire focus was not that I felt the punishment was unfair but that the others not only didn't get it but that they were cruel and should have got it for that too! In a later conversation to the effect, my mother said Karen as sure as I am sitting here unfortunately they will get it in time. As well as I need to worry about me and what I do in this life and in essence what karmatic debt I create. I needed to stop comparing and start living a life I could stand.


I learned SO much in moments like this.

* I am accountable for me
* How to stand up in a crowd and say NO I will not follow!
* Self control
* I learned to excel in proper behavior (For the better part )

At the end of the day the 12 of us have grown to range from 30 to 39..

Of 9 that were NOT raised by my mother 8 have since gone to me and to her and said they wish she had raised them and maybe they would be ok today! They all apologize for the mocking back in the day! I detested the firm hand and heart that raised me as a child. I thank God everyday for the balance of love and strength that created me.

My mothers 3 are all successful independent loved and accepted.
Before you get it twisted and think I am screaming I believe we are this worlds Idealic bullshit:
My sister is a Lesbian
My brother has an unconventional career
I have never fit snugly into a roll in this world

My parents adore us and our paths...

They also gave us what it takes to get by in this world.
We love laugh and live!


Now, this is the path of a parent I have chosen... I in no way am speaking to the choices anyone else may make. Simply in my opinion, know your child and make sure you are doing what will benefit them in the long run. What you may laugh off as an understanding parent the world will take issue with in your overgrown brat! Give them what it takes to walk easier in a world jacked up. An out of control child without direction ends up someone only mother can stand.

Play fair, love each other and insist on excellence.

There is a massive difference between abuse and a parent who loves and has a firm hand for reproof. I assure you a firm parent rarely if ever has to go that far.

bkw said:

I would hope spousal beating that was publicly witnessed would be reported as well.

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

Amen!

Can I sell them for Cherry Limeade?

JasmineFire said:

Guess you'll have to buy take-aways then.

CinisterCee said:

Looks like you'll have to buy a car then.

psychodelicide said:

If you have to perform this act behind closed doors for fear of being reported to the authorities, you have to stop and think if it's the right thing to do, don't you?

Here are some things that annoy me in restaurants.

Smokers.
Whinging non-smokers.
Diners who talk too loud.
Diners who scrape their cutlery on the plates.
Fat people.
Ugly people.
People wearing clothes with no style.
Waiters who are over-attentive.
Waiters who are under-attentive.
Foreign diners with no idea of how to behave in this country.
Diners taking up the time of the waiters when they should be attending to me.
Diners drinking alcohol.
Old people.
Couples that just sit there and don't make conversation.
Background music.
No background music, then all I can hear is the infernal mind-less chat of the other diners.
Groups so large they have to push tables together and disrupt the layout of the restaurant.
Tall people.
Toilets on the other side of the restaurant, making me walk past the other diners.
Getting a table near the toilets and having the other diners walk past my table.
Smelly diners.

You know, sometimes I wonder why I go to these places!

bkw said:

You've clearly never been on a 9 hour flight with a baby absolutely screaming her head off the entire flight.

I felt sorry for her because the air pressure probably hurt her ears or something, but needless to say, I wouldn't have been there if I'd had a choice.

irresistibleb1tch said:

I'm convinced that it's because an adult can hit back and a child usually can't. And even if they do it's not likely it'll hurt.

psychodelicide said:

I'd like your opinion: why is it okay to hit your child, but not your partner?

doctormcmeekle said:

Bravo!

Frankly I can't believe what I am reading here - quotes such as "I would be MORE than happy to lay that smack down across the back of those little legs" make me absolutely sick. And you say you love this little girl? Please...

My daughter is 6 years old and has never been 'smacked' in her life. Not by me, my wife or anyone else. If ever I see someone hitting a child in public I have to be physically restrained for fear of what I might do to the parent. Hey, if it's good enough for your baby then it's good enough for you 'Daddy'.

There is nothing - nothing that can make anyone justify violence toward a child. We are talking about babies here for f*cks sake. You brought them into the world and you sure as hell had better be taking GOOD care of them.

doctormcmeekle said:

Not necessarily. Like I said in an earlier post, everyone has different views on whether to spank or not to spank, depending on their personal views on this matter and how they were raised.

meow85 said:

Scroll up and read one of my earlier posts, I said that if I had a child, I didn't know if I would hit him/her.

Sometimes kids like that need to be taken to the bathroom or outside and given a time out.. When i was little, my mom use to pick me up and take me to the bathroom and sometime a smack in the ass... I sympathize with parents who's children get out of control.. but sometimes a little repremanding may help... I know, when i am out for a nice quiet dinner, the last thing i was to hear is a little brat screaming and yelling and carrying on throwing things in a restaurant.. But they are kids, what are you doing to do!

Scotty2funky said:

here we go questioning a persons way of parenting their own child. No one is talking about taking a bat and beating their child. good lawd....I think its about the child and what works. I didn't get many spankings because I didn't need that sort of discipline....my brother...well, talking didn't work...my parents spanked him more and we are both sane, regular ole adults.

Just do what is best for you child and be careful about what parent you want to quickly want to call child protective services on.....there are good parents that spank and good parents that don't.


spare the rod, spoil the child...if God said it..its good enough

Rhondab said:

I agree.. there is a difference between taking out a bat and beating your child in front of everyone, or pulling them aside and giving them a spank in the behind.. I think some children need a good smack in the behind every now and then.. Lets face it.. your talking about a child however old, 4,5 6,7.... You shouldn't be reasoning with them.. they are just that a child! YOUR the parent and if talking to them dont work, then you should discipline them better.. My mom spanked me on the behind when i was younger and when i was fresh or out of control.. and because of that I was always good and behaved in restaurants or in lines at stores etc... I am not saying hitting them all the time is the answer to everything, but it does work every now and then.. and helps from follow up tantrums usually.

You mean it takes a village?