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bkw said: Primates absolutely fascinate me. That is a very touching story and i have heard similar ones before.
I could watch them all day. i agree 100%. wonderful story. Frankly any animal / bird (except for the disgraceful goose) utterly makes me melt when i watch them. This doesn't stop me eating them though.  | |
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tackam said: applekisses said: Do you think it's a good idea to do this with other pets as well? I think it would help them understand what happened...rather than think their friend just disappeared. Oh, hell I don't know.  I think it can't hurt. You would think that social animals should have evolved some sort of mechanism for comprehending, in whatever way they are capable, the death of members of their social group. It makes sense to me that pets would benefit from that. I thought it was a good thing for the vet to do. I certainly don't think that dogs/cats/rats/rabbits have the same response that we do. . .I've been at home euthanasias where the other pets in the household are right there as they die and don't register any sort of distress or anything. . .but. . .can't hurt.I just wonder if they are able to smell and sense that their friend has died if the loss is easier on them. | |
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irresistibleb1tch said: psychodelicide said:   Another touching story that proves that animals grieve the loss of their companion, just like we do. It goes to prove that animals are smart, not "dumb" like some people claim they are.  sometimes i wonder if some people are hesitant to acknowledge the intelligence of animals and their ability to feel pain because it would lead to changes in their lives that they are not willing or able to make at this point...  Could very well be.  RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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Years ago, I had two lizards, a male and female Ameava. Now, most people would think of reptiles as being cold, callous loners who have no sociability with other animals. I found this to be completely untrue.
My female burrowed under her heating rock, causing it to collapse on her. The male had tried to dig under to get her out, but couldn't. She was dead when I found her. The next day, I found that the male had gone on a rampage, knocking over, and in some cases destroying, everything in his cage. In short, he was upset. He was never quite the same after that, and shortly thereafter he just up and died. It may sound silly, but I'm convinced he died simply because he had lost the will to live after the death of his closest companion. Humans assume that, because animals express themselves in different ways, that they have no feelings. Humans do so at their own loss. 
Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9) | |
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XxAxX said:[quote]i truly believe that an abundance of intelligent life shares this planet with us. humans just aren't intelligent enough to recognize intelliegnce in other species unless it's pointed out to us, which is a deep, deep shame imo. not to jack the thread, but i thin the bible contributes to this directly, the part where god creates man apart and separate from other animals.
[quote] I think, like many Biblical passages, people have twisted that to mean something completely different than what it actually does. Mankind was given dominion over the Earth so he could TAKE CARE of it, and all the creatures therein. So far, we've done a pretty crappy job. So many take that to mean that we have carte blanche to do whatever we want with the environment and the animals of this planet. In reality, I believe, God was giving man a RESPONSIBILITY. We're already starting to pay for shirking that responsibility. ---- [Edited 12/9/04 12:42pm]
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applekisses said: tackam said: Oh, hell I don't know. I think it can't hurt. You would think that social animals should have evolved some sort of mechanism for comprehending, in whatever way they are capable, the death of members of their social group. It makes sense to me that pets would benefit from that. I thought it was a good thing for the vet to do. I certainly don't think that dogs/cats/rats/rabbits have the same response that we do. . .I've been at home euthanasias where the other pets in the household are right there as they die and don't register any sort of distress or anything. . .but. . .can't hurt.I just wonder if they are able to smell and sense that their friend has died if the loss is easier on them. Yeah, less confusing, maybe? I honestly don't know. | |
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JediMaster said: Years ago, I had two lizards, a male and female Ameava. Now, most people would think of reptiles as being cold, callous loners who have no sociability with other animals. I found this to be completely untrue.
My female burrowed under her heating rock, causing it to collapse on her. The male had tried to dig under to get her out, but couldn't. She was dead when I found her. The next day, I found that the male had gone on a rampage, knocking over, and in some cases destroying, everything in his cage. In short, he was upset. He was never quite the same after that, and shortly thereafter he just up and died. It may sound silly, but I'm convinced he died simply because he had lost the will to live after the death of his closest companion. Humans assume that, because animals express themselves in different ways, that they have no feelings. Humans do so at their own loss. what a touching story! | |
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JediMaster said:[quote]XxAxX said:[quote]i truly believe that an abundance of intelligent life shares this planet with us. humans just aren't intelligent enough to recognize intelliegnce in other species unless it's pointed out to us, which is a deep, deep shame imo. not to jack the thread, but i thin the bible contributes to this directly, the part where god creates man apart and separate from other animals.
I think, like many Biblical passages, people have twisted that to mean something completely different than what it actually does. Mankind was given dominion over the Earth so he could TAKE CARE of it, and all the creatures therein. So far, we've done a pretty crappy job. So many take that to mean that we have carte blanche to do whatever we want with the environment and the animals of this planet. In reality, I believe, God was giving man a RESPONSIBILITY. We're already starting to pay for shirking that responsibility. ---- [Edited 12/9/04 12:42pm] i've heard PETA people say something to the effect that the Queen of England has dominion over her people - that doesn't mean she has the right to eat them. always liked that! | |
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irresistibleb1tch said:[quote]JediMaster said:[quote] XxAxX said: i truly believe that an abundance of intelligent life shares this planet with us. humans just aren't intelligent enough to recognize intelliegnce in other species unless it's pointed out to us, which is a deep, deep shame imo. not to jack the thread, but i thin the bible contributes to this directly, the part where god creates man apart and separate from other animals.
I think, like many Biblical passages, people have twisted that to mean something completely different than what it actually does. Mankind was given dominion over the Earth so he could TAKE CARE of it, and all the creatures therein. So far, we've done a pretty crappy job. So many take that to mean that we have carte blanche to do whatever we want with the environment and the animals of this planet. In reality, I believe, God was giving man a RESPONSIBILITY. We're already starting to pay for shirking that responsibility. ---- [Edited 12/9/04 12:42pm] i've heard PETA people say something to the effect that the Queen of England has dominion over her people - that doesn't mean she has the right to eat them. always liked that! JediMaster/Tackam - I agree with Irresistible about your stories ... very touching 
XxAxX - I couldn't agree with you more. Very well put. ... and, talking of PETA, there was an article in my newspaper yesterday in which Cindy C tried to deny ever supporting their anti-fur campaign, despite having signed up along with other models. Stupid 
And another article about the fur-lined boots that are fashionable at the moment ... rabbits in asia are being skinned alive for these boots - another example of how animal life is considered as being unimportant by certain industries. | |
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Reincarnate said: irresistibleb1tch said: i've heard PETA people say something to the effect that the Queen of England has dominion over her people - that doesn't mean she has the right to eat them. always liked that! JediMaster/Tackam - I agree with Irresistible about your stories ... very touching
XxAxX - I couldn't agree with you more. Very well put. ... and, talking of PETA, there was an article in my newspaper yesterday in which Cindy C tried to deny ever supporting their anti-fur campaign, despite having signed up along with other models. Stupid
And another article about the fur-lined boots that are fashionable at the moment ... rabbits in asia are being skinned alive for these boots - another example of how animal life is considered as being unimportant by certain industries. co-sign on the Cindy Crawford story...
fur trim is a sickening "fashion" development lately. on the positive side, we did a series of protests against a clothing chain called "Forever 21" over Fur Free Friday, and the following week, they announced that they would discontinue selling fur.  it's those little victories that keep me going out there ... | |
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Nice story Irresistible  (I always find it difficult to call you by your name in full  )
I love watching and learning about primates, ever since I saw that movie 'Project X' as a kid. I ended up getting a copy when I was old enough to steal. Seriously though, for all the intricate complexities involved in their behaviour, when I see them, I'm humbled by the converse simplicity in which they show US things that WE need to do MORE OFTEN. I love those guys 
   
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senik said: Nice story Irresistible (I always find it difficult to call you by your name in full )
I love watching and learning about primates, ever since I saw that movie 'Project X' as a kid. I ended up getting a copy when I was old enough to steal. Seriously though, for all the intricate complexities involved in their behaviour, when I see them, I'm humbled by the converse simplicity in which they show US things that WE need to do MORE OFTEN. I love those guys
you can call me any name you'd like, Senik! 
it's easy to get discouraged when you encounter setbacks in any kind of advocacy, be it for children, the elderly, adult education, the environment, or -in my case- animal rights. but stories like these remind me of why we go out there, take a lot of abuse, and try to fight against seemingly undefeatable corporate interests. when i read a story like this, i know that we HAVE to stop treating animals like property. | |
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