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Reply #30 posted 12/01/04 11:32am

Marrk

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90 days? disbelief

I have two cats, I think i'd seek revenge and happily do time if anybody did something like that to one of them.
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Reply #31 posted 12/01/04 11:32am

BabyCakes

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endorphin74 said:

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this is absolutely disgusting. i knew I shouldn't have clicked on this thread at work....


I am glad i didn't.. JUST READING it made me wanna cry.. how can people be sooo damn cruel! Its disgusting!
The day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom - Anais Nin

"Unnecessary giggling"... giggle
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Reply #32 posted 12/01/04 11:34am

bananacologne

Found online:
'Amazingly enough, a Bill that would take animal crimes more seriously and allow for up to five years in jail and unlimited fines, has been languishing in Canadian Parliament for almost five years, despite enormous support from the Canadian public as well as from both animal protection groups and animal use industries'

Canadian law now updated: click HERE

What's your politician / member of Senate etc doing to prevent animal cruelty and abuse in your area? How do your local laws work? Positivity comes from enquiring minds and taking action. Write a letter, send an e-mail, donate some money to a cause that speaks to you. I really don't know what else to say apart from sorry for bumming everyone out, I just thought her story should be told. sad

*CanadianLawUpdated Edit*
[Edited 12/1/04 11:55am]
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Reply #33 posted 12/01/04 12:56pm

Reincarnate

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hug i have thoroughly enjoyed your comments, too, Reincarnate.

as to your question what we can do... awareness would rank at the very top there, i'd think. being a firm believer in cause and effect, i believe we need to make sure that each generation has more and more information at their disposal to raise the next generation in a more compassionate and aware fashion. sadly, i don't think i'll be around to see a general, overwhelming sense of compassion toward animals, but every step toward that is worth all of the hassle, ridicule and downright hostile opposition we face in the animal rights and animal welfare movements.

i agree with Tom that this is only one part of overall level of disregard for other sentient beings. personal product testing, redundant clinical testing, entertainment, factory farming, leather and fur - these are all things we can easily reduce by making very simple changes in our own lives. and once there's enough awareness on those issues, i can't imagine people WANTING to commit such horrific crimes.

it's overwhelming, to say the least, but it helps to be an idealist!

Thankyou.

... and I'd like to agree with Tom too on this one. We need to consider ALL life as valuable and precious.

I, too, am an idealist ... and more than a little prone to seeing the world through a rose-coloured tint. Perhaps I deceive myself a little too often ... threads like this certainly do affect me deeply.
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Reply #34 posted 12/01/04 2:07pm

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This is so sick. I used to volunteer at a cat shelter and we were not allowed for a month before Halloween to adopt out black cats because of the crap people would do to them. Just disgusting.
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Reply #35 posted 12/01/04 2:07pm

bananacologne

Reincarnate said:

... and I'd like to agree with Tom too on this one. We need to consider ALL life as valuable and precious.

I, too, am an idealist ... and more than a little prone to seeing the world through a rose-coloured tint. Perhaps I deceive myself a little too often ... threads like this certainly do affect me deeply.


I'd like to say something here after reading your post if I may. It's something my best friend told me once some years ago when we were chatting overlooking a lake in Colorado on a beautiful day, just shooting the breeze, and setting the world to rights. I mentioned something very similar to what u just posted, and his response was:

'Paddy, that's one of the things I love about you - you're prepared to believe the best in people first and above all else.'

So don't you ever think that's a personal failing or deceit, far, far from it!
hug
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Reply #36 posted 12/01/04 2:22pm

BinaryJustin

Anxiety said:

ok, i don't say this often, so get out the polaroids:

I'M OFFENDED BY THIS.

i don't believe in censorship, but when the "message" is torturing another living being for the sake of doing it and calling it "art", then i don't consider it censorship at all.


Anxy?

You're a David Bowie fan, aren't you?

If you still want to remain a fan of his, don't ever Google:

Hermann Nitsch David Bowie

As far as I'm concerned, Hermann Nitsch is Satan and the reason why I will never ever, ever, ever, ever visit Austria until the evil bastard is dead. If I won the lottery, I'd hire an assassin to kill him. There's no conflict in my mind. I'd pay for him to be killed.
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Reply #37 posted 12/01/04 2:29pm

Anxiety

BinaryJustin said:

Anxiety said:

ok, i don't say this often, so get out the polaroids:

I'M OFFENDED BY THIS.

i don't believe in censorship, but when the "message" is torturing another living being for the sake of doing it and calling it "art", then i don't consider it censorship at all.


Anxy?

You're a David Bowie fan, aren't you?

If you still want to remain a fan of his, don't ever Google:

Hermann Nitsch David Bowie

As far as I'm concerned, Hermann Nitsch is Satan and the reason why I will never ever, ever, ever, ever visit Austria until the evil bastard is dead. If I won the lottery, I'd hire an assassin to kill him. There's no conflict in my mind. I'd pay for him to be killed.


what's bowie got to do with anything? he's a fan of the guy's work or something? i know in the mid-70s bowie had a fascination with fascism and had some very...umm...HARSH sensibilities...these days, though, he's a practicing buddhist and seems to have his stuff together a little better than back when he was into swastikas and cocaine. ill
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Reply #38 posted 12/01/04 2:33pm

Reincarnate

bananacologne said:



I'd like to say something here after reading your post if I may. It's something my best friend told me once some years ago when we were chatting overlooking a lake in Colorado on a beautiful day, just shooting the breeze, and setting the world to rights. I mentioned something very similar to what u just posted, and his response was:

'Paddy, that's one of the things I love about you - you're prepared to believe the best in people first and above all else.'

So don't you ever think that's a personal failing or deceit, far, far from it!
hug

hug

It's a pity, but we live in a cynical world, where people are mocked for thinking that way, or considered weak. It's lovely to encounter someone who doesn't look at idealists in that light.

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Reply #39 posted 12/01/04 2:36pm

BinaryJustin

Anxiety said:


what's bowie got to do with anything? he's a fan of the guy's work or something? i know in the mid-70s bowie had a fascination with fascism and had some very...umm...HARSH sensibilities...these days, though, he's a practicing buddhist and seems to have his stuff together a little better than back when he was into swastikas and cocaine. ill


Bowie actually name-checked Hermann Nitsch in the liner notes of his '1.0, Outside' album. I guess that was pretty recently...

I stopped listening to Bowie when I realised whom Hermann Nitsch is. He's an alleged "artist" in the same sort of style as the cat killers - but much, much worse. Much, much, much worse.
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Reply #40 posted 12/01/04 2:41pm

AsianBomb777

Well, yes it's art if the artist has an artistic message.
Unfortunately, it can probably be called art.


But it's not moral. It's not decent. And it's not propper.
As a practicing Buddhist and fellow human being, I think it is downright disturbing.

Artist have long tried to stretch the envelope of what "art" is, from the the images of Monet (which offended elitists becuase of it's slice-in-time concept) to the modern images of Maplethorpe.

The difference here, is that these artist did not subject unwilling subjects to torture.

Unfortunately, I have to say it could be defined as art. However, you could say that Nazi lamps made from Jewish Skin where skillfully made, but that doesn't mean I don't think the creators should be hanged.
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Reply #41 posted 12/01/04 6:47pm

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I don't think I can add much to this...but that made me upset. We had a similar thing here where someone put a cat on a bbq grill. Made the papers and all, but almost nothing happened.

The human race scares me sometimes. And just cause you shit on a sidewalk and someone films it...it's not art, it's obscene.

Christian Zombie Vampires

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Reply #42 posted 12/01/04 6:52pm

Natisse

irresistibleb1tch said:

Reincarnate said:



My opinion is that whenever your actions, whatever they be, cause harm to another sentient being, you are responsible. Trying to justify sadistic behaviour like this by calling it art is cowardice of the highest order.



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huge cosign nod

...it's people like that who make me lose faith in humanity, I swear sad
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Reply #43 posted 12/01/04 6:59pm

bkw

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This shit just makes me sad and angry.

If was my cat I'd kill the fucker (I mean this literally).
When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading.
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Reply #44 posted 12/01/04 7:15pm

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