Anxiety said:

Haha! No I let out enough pootie's to last a lifetime..

Listen!

Taureau said:

It is in my house

mdiver said:

The suns done a runner today, and it gets a bit nippy at night now (15 degrees )...I don't like winters like this...reminds me of UK rain. If it's winter it should freeze your nipples off, not half arsed 'do I wear a jumper or not' stuff!

I'll be in London for new years

Taureau said:

NIce one mate we should go for a drink with everyone in London, well not everyone in LOndon but the LOndon Orgers

sag10 said:

not too loud, you'll attract althom.

Heavenly said:

I wasn't looking for a green light...in fact it's a case of, "in a weeks time, will I be getting a nice photo of my car passing those traffic lights, or not?"

DIS Y I DON'T DO DA RELATIONSHIP THING

mdiver said:

Yeah I'm tempted - almost went to the first barbican bash, but chickened out as I thought I'd be 'out-NPG'd' if ya know what I mean, but heck any excuse for some PROPER beer

Taureau said:

By your car, I'm guessing you're talking about your partner.
If your partner needs to look for sex somewhere else that means they have no respect for you, unless it's agreed from the start that you are allowed to sleep with others.

Nila said:

Should I...?

Nah.

WHY ARE ONLY GUYS ANSWERING, STRANGE

Taureau said:

Damn straight mate note me the details of when you are back and we can hook up. Maybe we can get Red, JD and the others over too

Ace said:

I knew as soon as I posted, that someone would play on those words. Go ahead, I don't care.

Nila said:

But did this ultimately make you "happy"?

ElectricLover said:

Honey, did you learn a new language?





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Heavenly said:

car = me

traffic lights = sex with others

photo or no photo = right or wrong


ah shit, [censored] BUT I DON'T LOVE THEM. Shirley that's the most important thing?!?!?!? I'd have absolutely no guilt, because I really can't think of how it could be wrong - for all I know my girlfriend attends orgies every weekend, but she'll never tell me.
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Ace said:

For me it did, but for the guys, well... No. I told them not to get attached and they always did. However, I didn't feel bad b/c I was upfront w/ them, what more could I do. I liked my freedom, and some people like being tied down. I am currently in a relationship and its totally different and I'm happy too. I'm a different person now though. However, I can still undersatnd these types of relationships.

Taureau said:

Sounds good to me.

Nila said:

If it made you so happy, then why are you in a monogamous relationship now?

Ace said:

OH FUCK SOCKS! I edited my post after I realised my gilfriend knows I go on the .org!!!!! I really don't want to have to change my profile pic.

mdiver said:

Cool, I've yet to sort out tix, but prolly be in London the week around new years - damn, I wanna go see JTQ and Amp Fiddler at the Jaz Cafe! Doesn't JD live up north?

Ace said:

Because like I said Mr. Ace, I am a diffrent person now. I went trhough a lot growing up (I know, everyone did) and I didn't like attachments. They still scare me. The man I'm with now was one of those guys I told in college to do what he wanted. He didn't and I tried to drop him. We formed a freindship and then before I knew it I didn't mind being with him all the time. It wasn't the first time I was in love, but it was diffrent for me. He helped me to grow as a person and to get over some of the things that happned to me. I still sometimes get the feeling to just leave and be by myself, but I know that he makes me happy so I stay. He gives me my freedom and doesn't try to control me. He understands that I have issues and loves me anyway. So basically I'm a better person b/c of him and that is why I am with him, and him only.

Taureau said:

Yeah mate Sheffield but he is often down

Taureau said:

I think it depends on the relationship and your own state of mind.

It helped my relationship, to some extent, because we realised how important we were to one another (it's only when you come close to losing something that you appreciate its value).

On the other hand, it's easy to deceive yourself and your reasons for having an affair, and it's also very easy to demonise the other party to justify your own behaviour.

Unfortunately, most affairs are conducted in private and therefore require behaviour that means you are treating your partner with less respect than they deserve - lying and cheating can't be justified in a loving relationship, neither can deceiving your partner, or yourself for that matter. It's easy to end up losing respect for yourself too, which is another sad reason for not doing it.

So, if you value your own sanity and your relationship can be repaired without resorting to sleeping with someone else, I'd recommend taking the moral high ground and not having an affair. Either that, or discussing it fairly with your partner so that you're not being deceitful.

I cannot imagine why one would bring the nastiness, risk of sexually transmitted diseases too his Partner...


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sag10 said:

Oh for fucks sake so I take it you were a virgin before you decided to spend the rest of your life with just one partner? Or were you gambling with the health and asthetics of both you and your future partners crutches?

Don't give that bullshit virgin-holier-than-thou-perspective. JESUS BUDDHA ELVIS!

Sometimes, I'm so disappointed with the world

Janfriend said:

Considering that generally folks have more sexual partners before marrying up than they do through any affairs during their marriage, I'm dissappointed that certain people would even dare consider any health issues involved...unless ofcourse, for every partner they've had, a test was involved afterwards

This is about morals of fidelity..but surely these HAVE to correlate with the extent of the primary relationship in the first place. Is it wrong to have superficial relationships outside of your 'proper' relationship...BEFORE marriage, because you believe the 'proper' relationship was in no way normal? How many of you have told your life-partners all about your past sexual encounters? Is it right for someone in my position to hold back this information in respect of what I envisage as a happy, normal, fidel relationship for the future?

Taureau said:

I have, not in detail unless they explicitly asked for it, but definitely told them what was relevant.

No relationship should ever make you feel like "damn, now I can't fuck anyone else for the rest of my life". You should be happy that your significant other wants you and no one else. If you want to fuck around for a bit that's cool, but then be honest about it and accept the consequences.

mdiver said:

yup !!