Fleshofmyflesh said:

Hey Flesh, baby. Thank you. And my flat rear thanks you,too, for giving it a bit of appreciation. Flat asses aren't something most people are thrilled to own.

And I agree with you - the fuller, round behinds *are* celebrated and gosh if I wouldn't love to have mind be such also butt what can ya do....

Apples is correct in that the media proclaims the skinnier body type as the ideal and I don't agree with that either. Woman have a enough body issues as it is without all these unrealistic standards being forced on us all the time.

This is an interesting thread, Flesh. Thanks for starting it.

How about spending less time in the gym and more time trying to get back in our good graces?

Not really, because ultrathin women have the media backing them in full. It's difficult to turn on the TV without hearing a fat joke...how many do you hear about those who are skinny?

Fleshofmyflesh said:

Fleshofmyflesh said:

I need to be! I just get a lot of comments from white guys about how I don't have an "athletic" enough body (I had a boyfriend's father hate me because of that) or how I can't be attractive because of my size (I'm a tall, curvy, NOT obese, woman)

applekisses said:

But I'm not talking about the media, really. I DO agree with you that the media shoves that skinny=beautiful ideal and I agree that that's WRONG. And I also agree that fat jokes are unfortunately still an acceptable form of 'comedy'.

But I'm more talking about actual real women discussing this issue and the words they use to express themselves. I'm a believer in change starting from the bottom level and working towards the top, and that words weild power...which means that I personally believe that women should start speaking of body types - their own and other types different from their own - in more accepting, celebratory terms instead of this "my side vs. the other side" type of language.

Whether anyone wants to face it or not, women are the ones who keep buying the fashion magazines and keep lapping up what the media dishes out in regards to what is 'beautiful' or what is considered 'ideal',and who scrutinize themselves and other women's bodies even more so than MEN even do. Women need to support each other in our various body types and celebrate that we are all beautiful women, no matter what size we are. If we could do that, I would hope someday that would reflect itself in the media and in society's treatment and outlook of women's bodies and the idea of beauty in general.

Probably never gonna happen, I know, but...that's what I wish would happen.

applekisses said:

But I'm not talking about the media, really. I DO agree with you that the media shoves that skinny=beautiful ideal and I agree that that's WRONG. And I also agree that fat jokes are unfortunately still an acceptable form of 'comedy'.

But I'm more talking about actual real women discussing this issue and the words they use to express themselves. I'm a believer in change starting from the bottom level and working towards the top, and that words weild power...which means that I personally believe that women should start speaking of body types - their own and other types different from their own - in more accepting, celebratory terms instead of this "my side vs. the other side" type of language.

Whether anyone wants to face it or not, women are the ones who keep buying the fashion magazines and keep lapping up what the media dishes out in regards to what is 'beautiful' or what is considered 'ideal',and who scrutinize themselves and other women's bodies even more so than MEN even do. Women need to support each other in our various body types and celebrate that we are all beautiful women, no matter what size we are. If we could do that, I would hope someday that would reflect itself in the media and in society's treatment and outlook of women's bodies and the idea of beauty in general.

Probably never gonna happen, I know, but...that's what I wish would happen.

applekisses said:

But I'm not talking about the media, really. I DO agree with you that the media shoves that skinny=beautiful ideal and I agree that that's WRONG. And I also agree that fat jokes are unfortunately still an acceptable form of 'comedy'.

But I'm more talking about actual real women discussing this issue and the words they use to express themselves. I'm a believer in change starting from the bottom level and working towards the top, and that words weild power...which means that I personally believe that women should start speaking of body types - their own and other types different from their own - in more accepting, celebratory terms instead of this "my side vs. the other side" type of language.

Whether anyone wants to face it or not, women are the ones who keep buying the fashion magazines and keep lapping up what the media dishes out in regards to what is 'beautiful' or what is considered 'ideal',and who scrutinize themselves and other women's bodies even more so than MEN even do. Women need to support each other in our various body types and celebrate that we are all beautiful women, no matter what size we are. If we could do that, I would hope someday that would reflect itself in the media and in society's treatment and outlook of women's bodies and the idea of beauty in general.

Probably never gonna happen, I know, but...that's what I wish would happen.

It IS interesting And, Queen...I hope you're not offended by anything I've said...it's just that (and I've explained this to Ace) that I feel like I need to help dispell any prejudice against fuller-figured women --- and there is A LOT of it.

applekisses said:

Those were awful things to say to you.

When I was 17, a boyfriend's mother once said to me, in these words "You're so skinny! You're going to have deformed babies."

Nice.

I'm thin, yes, but that was a horrid, insensitive & ignorant thing to say. She also then proceeded to tell me how my then boyfriend's previous girlfriend had a weight problem and was trying to lose weight.

That's why she's my Queen

I TOTALLY agree Queen!!!
Women need to get together on this!
Now when you do, can you guys be sure meet on a nice bouncy bed, wearing tiny pjs.....oh yeah and let's just throw in a pillow fight just to give the camera somethin' to do....

Fleshofmyflesh said:

Flesh

applekisses said:

Oh my goodness no, Applekisses, I'm not offended at all by what you've said. Not one bit. I appreciate what you're saying and undestand completely, and I do agree with what you've said.

And I'm GLAD of what you're doing about dispelling prejudice. These pre-conceived notions of beauty and unrealistic standards/ideals set by media and society are wrong and harmful. People need to realize that and hopefully maybe one day things will change.

It is horrible hon...and I'm sorry you experienced that.
But, it happens to me all the time.

SnowQueen said:

Hey hey hey...skip to the pillow fight!

applekisses said:

Thanks, Apples.

And I'm very sorry that you have had such hurtful things said to you. It's not right. I understand how it makes a person feel to be told they don't possess the 'right' attributes for beauty. It's an awful feeling.

For what it's worth, I think you are a very intelligent, kind and VERY BEAUTIFUL lady (I've seen your pictures here on the Org before). Don't let anybody try to tell you otherwise.

OdysseyMiles said:

Keep your shirt on!

Got a problem with two chicks hugging?!?

SnowQueen said:

I hope so too!

...some really sweet things...

1sexymf said:

applekisses said:

I've been both sides of the weight spectrum, and i would like to say in my opinion in every day life it is far easier to be slightly curvy than thin.

i was quite chubby at school and although i was teased at one some points it was not nasty teasing, i then lost alot of weight and the teasing changed....

my name is Toni which of course ryhmes with Pony so for years when i walked into class the girls and a quite a few of the boys would find it funny to sing

" my little toni skiny and boney" and through my adult life before i had children i had plenty of terrible things said to me.

i think a lot of it comes from people believing the media and that to be thin is to be popular and to have everything you want just like the thin people in on the adverts and some very stupid people see this as a right to be mean to people they think as having an easy time.

I'm now curvy and much happier, i have learned that your shape makes no difference to who you are and i wouldn't judge because of it.

lets hope we can all be a little more accepting of each other.

i really hope no one would solely pick a person on the size of there ass anyway, what a crap way to start


ps sorry for any errors can't be bothered to proof read

applekisses said:

I've been both sides of the weight spectrum, and i would like to say in my opinion in every day life it is far easier to be slightly curvy than thin.

i was quite chubby at school and although i was teased at one some points it was not nasty teasing, i then lost alot of weight and the teasing changed....

my name is Toni which of course ryhmes with Pony so for years when i walked into class the girls and a quite a few of the boys would find it funny to sing

" my little toni skiny and boney" and through my adult life before i had children i had plenty of terrible things said to me.

i think a lot of it comes from people believing the media and that to be thin is to be popular and to have everything you want just like the thin people in on the adverts and some very stupid people see this as a right to be mean to people they think as having an easy time.

I'm now curvy and much happier, i have learned that your shape makes no difference to who you are and i wouldn't judge because of it.

lets hope we can all be a little more accepting of each other.

i really hope no one would solely pick a person on the size of there ass anyway, what a crap way to start


ps sorry for any errors can't be bothered to proof read

SnowQueen said:

Absolutely not!

Speaking for myself as a very thin woman with a flat ass I have to say I always feel bad when I hear people, especially other women, say that thin woman "don't look womanly" because they don't have "curves".

I'd love to have a more full rear or a little bit larger bust, but guess what - God didn't make me that way. I cannot help it that I am thin (I just always have been) but I am just as "womanly" as a heavier woman.

I would never say anything about a larger woman's body size not making her appear attractive or "unwomanly"...I don't get this body bashing nowadays. Everybody's built differently and just because one woman's breasts are larger or one woman's waist is smaller or one woman's butt is bigger (or smaller) doesn't make one's femininity superior to the other.

I know nobody meant anything in a deliberately insulting manner but this subject has always bothered me. I read on other message boards larger woman just CRUCIFYING thinner woman as "looking like boys", or not being womanly, or being so skinny and "bony" and that real men want "REAL WOMEN" (whatever that means...) with "REAL CURVES" and I don't get it. Going by their logic, I guess I'm just an unwomanly skinny boy who men wouldn't want and I should just accept how unfeminine I am.

I just hate all the labeling I see...especially between women. Heavier women don't like to be labeled or called 'fat', well - again, speaking for myself - skinnier women don't like ot be called "unwomanly" and "like boys" due to their unfortunate LACK of curves.

Hope I didn't offend anybody with my thoughts. As I said, this subject just always bugs me.

SnowQueen said:

Oh - and