mdiver said:

maybe it's the witchcraft or i'm just crazy

I found Jesus too; Check out his wardrobe at www.jesusdressup.com

ElectricLover said:

Maybe you should start a thread on that...

ElectricLover said:

I'll go with answer "B" do I win a prize?

GooeyTheHamster said:

I believe in Jesus Christ. I don't believe you take me as an idiot. I also adore you and believe that though we don't see eye to eye there is room for us to disagree and love each other. I take exception to this thread in the same I would one that is racist or homophobic....

I don't want to pretend I am not who I am. Nor am I ashamed of the name of Jesus Christ.

Do you still love me?

I realize that her view brings scorn. I believe she knows no greater way to represent her view. I also believe there is room on earth for us all. I have enough time in here and personal contact not to be viewed as some left wing extremist.

To either end so be it...

All my love

Karen

So toss me a hug that crosses the great divide.


[Edited 11/2/04 13:33pm]

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

Here's a from me how's that?

mdiver said:

I'll take that and raise you 2

I am not trippin just having some form of no great surprise coming out party!

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

I love you

GooeyTheHamster said:

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

I believe in Jesus as well. I believe that he is the Son of God. I believe I am the Son of God, that we are all the earthly representation of God. Truly, God is love, love is God. And there is love in my heart for everyone, regardless of their beliefs. I love the man who broke into my house. I hope he goes to jail, but I don't hate him. I don't like for people to tell me or anyone that if I don't believe in Jesus Christ the same way they do, that I am wrong. And frankly, I think anyone who does that doesn't understand Jesus and what his message was. Drop the judgments, people. None of us is fit to judge. To say that someone who doesn't believe wants to go to hell is judgemental and cruel. So someone is mocking your belief -- that's gives a license to creulty? Not from the Jesus I believe in. I study Kabbalah. I wear my "trendy" red string. You bet your ass I get mocked. Told I practice because it's what Madonna does, because it's the thing to do. So what! I don't believe or practice because I wanted to be revered. I believe and practice because I find it good for my soul.

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

If this is about this thread then I am confused about why you picked MY post to point this out, probably because you love me as I love you.

But I think there are 80 posts above me.

If it is about my particular posts towards Electric Lover then it is true I do react to her posts. I try to get a reaction with humour and wit and sumtimes I try to get a reaction by being wild.

I love her wooly ways of trying to get attention by posting vague threads and try to match that vagueness. Cuz it makes no sense. Other people on this thread obviously see it the same way, even though I do not want you to think I use that as an excuse.

I will ALWAYS react to people who are ready to use religion as a way to tell me I am wrong, something Electric Lover has done frequently. And then I try to make fun of it, as reasoning has not worked in the past.

I laugh in the face of people who judge me without proper reason. Something YOU never did, ever. This is one of the reasons why I love you. On this site I met lots of people that love me for who and what I am and see me as a child of their god, even though I am not religious myself. These people are the ones that I love.

I love you, Karen. It seems weird to say to someone I only know as far as we know eachother, but I love your posts, the love you spread on this site. THe people you brought in contact on your trip to Minne. The way you ALWAYS have a sweet word for me.

So consider that hug a given. But you need to come over here and get it. In April. And I will tell you why I am crying as I type this. Emotional sod that I am.

GooeyTheHamster said:

GooeyTheHamster said:

You got me! Both in tears and indeed... Here is to April! I needed to be certain you knew who I was... and love me as I was.. not that I doubted it was true. All you said, I feel it too! You are amazing! My heart to you... in real time in April...
[Edited 11/2/04 14:33pm]

madartista said:

Your love for Jesus shows in your eyes..

madartista said:

Ahh you already know how much I love you... We have the eye to eye real thing going on.

Minneapolis got me in party mode...though I hope they saw the heart of me beneath the sillyness.
[Edited 11/2/04 14:38pm]

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

Silly you! I know enough of religion to not want to be part of it myself, but I love the power it gives others.

I always let people be themselves, because I need so much that people let me be who I am.

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

God, I hope we get to do Amsterdam together!!!!

ways 2 fight witchcraft:

1) Discouragement
Discouragement never comes from God. He is the author of faith and the hope which never disappoints. He does discipline us when we need it, but he never does this by afflicting us with discouragement. "The wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy." (James 3:17) Discouragement is nowhere named as the wisdom that comes from above and it is not a fruit of the Spirit. We must learn to quickly and instinctively reject discouragement and give it no place in our thoughts resist it; it is not from God. We will be led by what we think or feel; we must take every thought captive and make them obedient to Christ; we must not ever allow discouragement to dictate our course. FAITH is the fruit of the Spirit and the shield of our armor that counters discouragement. If we begin to get discouraged it is because we have dropped our shield. Pick it back up!


2) Confusion
Remember that "God is not the author of confusion" and what you are being hit with is not coming from God. In the military, one of the primary elements of battle that a soldier is trained to handle is confusion. There will rarely be a battle when there is not confusion; nothing will ever go exactly as planned; the same is true in spiritual warfare. The disciplined soldier who understands this aspect of warfare learns to use the confusion to his own advantage; he does not let it increase his discouragement but begins to anticipate and look for an opportunity to gain an advantage over the enemy. We must learn that confusion is part of the battle and not to be surprised or affected by it. Our resolve to stand and fight will quickly dispel this aspect of the attack.


3) Depression
God gave to Cain the most effective remedy for depression. Then the Lord said to Cain, "Why are you angry?" And why has your countenance fallen [the ancient expression for depression]? If you do right, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it." (Genesis 4:6-7) Because depression is usually the result of allowing discouragement and confusion to cause us to drift from even our basic spiritual disciplines, such as reading the word, praying, fellowshipping, etc, picking them up again with resolve will almost always start to reverse the downward spiral.


4) Loss of Vision
The attack can also be turned to our advantage and used as an opportunity. When you begin to lose your vision, commit yourself to strengthening you vision- sink your roots deeper and establish your purpose even more firmly upon the word of God. When God begins to lead us into a purpose we should record how he speaks to us. Review all of the ways that He has led you and search the Scriptures to even more firmly establish His leading.


Above all, hold your course! Do not change your course until you can clearly see the new course. In World War 1 one of the most effective tactics of the enemy was to lay a smoke screen in front of allied convoys. As the convoy entered the smoke and lost their vision they would start turning at any perceived sound or whim, with the resulting collisions singing more ships than torpedoes. The allies finally developed a simple strategy when in the smoke every ship was to hold its previous course without deviation. They would soon all sail out the other side into clear air. The same strategy will enable us to more quickly get out of what is clouding our vision. When you lose your vision just hold your course and keep going forward.


5) Disorientation
As an instrument flight instructor, the first thing I had to teach a pilot was that, when flying on instruments with restricted visibility, his feelings cannot be trusted and must be disregarded. If a pilot tries to fly by his feelings when in instrument conditions he will quickly lose control of the plane. When in the clouds you can be flying perfectly straight and level but begin to feel like you're turning. If you react to this feeling, you will begin to turn, going off course or maybe even turning the plane upside down.


In a test conducted by the FAA, a group of pilots that were flown into instrument conditions without instrument training ALL lost control of their planes because they tried to rely on their feelings for guidance. I believe that the same is true of Christians who enter spiritual conditions of reduced visibility or "spiritual clouds," and try to rely on their feelings for guidance they will lose control. The "instruments" we have been given to walk by are found in the Bible. We do not walk by feelings but by faith in the sure testimony of the word of God. The word of God will keep us oriented and on course if we put our trust in it even though our feelings may be telling us to do otherwise.


6) Withdrawal
In the recent Persian Gulf War, Desert Storm, the majority of casualties were either reserves or civilians. The safest place to be in the war was on the front line. This has been true in most modern wars, and it is true in spiritual warfare.


When you're being pressed in battle, you cannot call a timeout. On the front line, you cannot ask the enemy to stop the battle because you have a headache or want to take a coffee break. On the front line, you know the dangers and you do not let your guard down. Every Christian is on the front line every day, whether he likes it or not. Satan will not observe a timeout. It is when we start to consider ourselves a "civilian," or not a soldier, that we will be the most vulnerable to his attack. Neither is a Christian ever in the reserves. Seldom do battles rage along the entire front for the entire time; there are times of reprieve from conflict, but when you know that you are on the front, even your breaks are taken with vigilance, knowing that a fresh attack can come at anytime. Christians must never take off their spiritual armor and must never lose their vigilance.
There are times and occasions in warfare for strategic retreats. There are times when we overcommit ourselves spiritually and must draw back, but that is not the same as withdrawal from the battle. Even when we have over committed ourselves, retreat should be a last resort an army in retreat is in its most vulnerable condition. If at all possible we should try to at least hold our ground until our position can be strengthened.
We are told to "give thanks to God who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Corinthians 15:57) "in all things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us" (Romans 8:37), and that He "always leads us in His triumph in Christ" (II Corinthians 2:14). Defeat is not an option in Christ. We will gain the victory in that which He has led us to do. The only way that we can be defeated is to quit.

ElectricLover said:

Could you post your source please

mdiver said:

haha my source is in the bible, told y'all i know the truth

ElectricLover said:

That was dishonest. That was not written by God. He is requesting where you pulled the piece. It "quotes" scripture but is not infact that!

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

madartista said:

Me too friend! Me too!

ElectricLover said:

No that quote contains reference to scripture but a whole lot of interpretation. So who interpreted it? You or someone else? State your source!

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

i'm saying though i'm no pychic but i know exactly what's going on, who's all invovled and why ur doing it. see i wanted revenge, but my father told me don't worry about it, that's why i try 2 tell u people but u don't want 2 hear me out, coz half y'all don't believe and the other half so busy thinking i'm full of b.s. as i said b4 this jesus thing ain't something new.... but hey

Natisse said:

Thanks for the backup ladies always appreciated

ElectricLover said:

.....backing away veeeeery slowly from this thread

mdiver said:

still think i'm crazy ?

ElectricLover said:

huh?? did i miss something?? now i'm gonna have to go back and reread the thread.

ElectricLover said:

This is exactly the cryptobabble and mindfuck language that buys the gullible and infuriates so many people. It's NOT a representation of Christ or God.