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MEAT IS MURDER MEAT IS MURDER !!
Killing animals for consumption is sick | |
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Why is it murdor for humans, and not for animals? | |
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Sick AND tasty! | |
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oooooh now I'd LOVE to get into this because animal rights are something I feel very VERY strongly about...
OK here's my thing - I feel very hypocritical saying this (and yes it IS hypocritical because I do still eat meat) but I would love to be vegetarian for moral reasons | |
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Natisse said: oooooh now I'd LOVE to get into this because animal rights are something I feel very VERY strongly about...
OK here's my thing - I feel very hypocritical saying this (and yes it IS hypocritical because I do still eat meat) but I would love to be vegetarian for moral reasons Well, why not try it? There's plenty of resources online, lots of good recipes etc. | |
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Natisse said: oooooh now I'd LOVE to get into this because animal rights are something I feel very VERY strongly about...
OK here's my thing - I feel very hypocritical saying this (and yes it IS hypocritical because I do still eat meat) but I would love to be vegetarian for moral reasons But aren't plants living things too? | |
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Natisse said: I would love to be vegetarian for moral reasons
give it a try - you'll like it!  | |
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ian said: Natisse said: oooooh now I'd LOVE to get into this because animal rights are something I feel very VERY strongly about...
OK here's my thing - I feel very hypocritical saying this (and yes it IS hypocritical because I do still eat meat) but I would love to be vegetarian for moral reasons Well, why not try it? There's plenty of resources online, lots of good recipes etc. Can you point me in the direction of some? I'll have a search myself, but if you've got any that come to mind that would be great! | |
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Shiit4Brains said: Natisse said: oooooh now I'd LOVE to get into this because animal rights are something I feel very VERY strongly about...
OK here's my thing - I feel very hypocritical saying this (and yes it IS hypocritical because I do still eat meat) but I would love to be vegetarian for moral reasons But aren't plants living things too? Yeah! A plant can't even defend itself by running away!  | |
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Heavenly said: Why is it murdor for humans, and not for animals?
Because animals need it in order to survive | |
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Shiit4Brains said: Natisse said: oooooh now I'd LOVE to get into this because animal rights are something I feel very VERY strongly about...
OK here's my thing - I feel very hypocritical saying this (and yes it IS hypocritical because I do still eat meat) but I would love to be vegetarian for moral reasons But aren't plants living things too? You're absolutely right! that's something that confuses me...for a healthy body we need nutrients, right? nutrients come from living things - so how do you get around that?  | |
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Natisse said: Shiit4Brains said: But aren't plants living things too? You're absolutely right! that's something that confuses me...for a healthy body we need nutrients, right? nutrients come from living things - so how do you get around that? We can't. Eat meat and enjoy! | |
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irresistibleb1tch said: OMG I didn't even get past the front page  it's just heartbreaking | |
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Natisse said: Shiit4Brains said: But aren't plants living things too? You're absolutely right! that's something that confuses me...for a healthy body we need nutrients, right? nutrients come from living things - so how do you get around that? you can get 100% of your nutritional requirements by eating a balanced vegetarian or vegan diet. WITHOUT the harmful saturated fats and animal proteins. gotta love it! | |
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Natisse said: irresistibleb1tch said: OMG I didn't even get past the front page it's just heartbreaking good news is, you don't need to be a part of that. if you want some more information, orgnote me your addy, and i'll send you some things! | |
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irresistibleb1tch said: Natisse said: You're absolutely right! that's something that confuses me...for a healthy body we need nutrients, right? nutrients come from living things - so how do you get around that? you can get 100% of your nutritional requirements by eating a balanced vegetarian or vegan diet. WITHOUT the harmful saturated fats and animal proteins. gotta love it! How do you do that, tho? and does a vegetarian or vegan diet consists of fruit and vegetables? sorry to ask you, hon, but I haven't started searching yet  | |
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Dewrede said: MEAT IS MURDER !!
Killing animals for consumption is sick if it's wrong then i don't wanna be right.  | |
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Look at that cow being slaughtered and enjoy your meal ! (thanks for posting that video IB , tho' i don't think those hypocrits can stand to see it) | |
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Look at that cow being slaughtered and enjoy your meal ! (thanks for posting that video IB , tho' i don't think those hypocrits can stand to see it , sorry Natisse , but if you eat meat you should be able to watch animals get killed for you to eat) Oops sorry , i meant to edit my previous post [Edited 10/20/04 18:23pm] | |
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after 16 years as a vegetarian, i've come to a point where i'm very...for lack of a better word..."libertarian"...about the whole "meat is murder" thing.
personally, i do believe meat is murder. we don't need to kill anything with a nervous system in order to sustain ourselves. i'm living proof of that. i know it's possible to have a vegetarian diet and enjoy a healthy, happy life. it's the one commitment i've been able to keep for nearly two decades, and i think it's done good things for me physically, spiritually and in other ways that i can't quite articulate, other than to say that my vegetarianism is a part of me that i wear with pride. all of that said, i don't judge others for what they choose to eat. my trying to make someone feel bad for eating a hamburger isn't going to change the world, nor is my antagonism going to influence the person i'm addressing. i learned that the hard way during my first couple of years as a veggie. consequently, i've become completely impervious to people trying to "get my goat" by talking about how they love nothing better than eating a big fat juicy steak. these days, i just think that kind of goading says more about their being uncomfortable with my lifestyle than it says anything about me. 
but back to the "meat is murder" thing - in two years, i'll have been veggie for half my life. i feel like i've influenced more people simply by being a living example - by answering questions about my diet, by cooking for friends and family, by taking people i know to veggie/vegan restaurants, and by sharing the FUN parts of being a vegetarian, that i could ever have done by telling people how primitive and awful they are for eating animal carcasses. i guess i'm just trying to say "love the sinner, hate the sin". | |
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Anxiety said: after 16 years as a vegetarian, i've come to a point where i'm very...for lack of a better word..."libertarian"...about the whole "meat is murder" thing.
personally, i do believe meat is murder. we don't need to kill anything with a nervous system in order to sustain ourselves. i'm living proof of that. i know it's possible to have a vegetarian diet and enjoy a healthy, happy life. it's the one commitment i've been able to keep for nearly two decades, and i think it's done good things for me physically, spiritually and in other ways that i can't quite articulate, other than to say that my vegetarianism is a part of me that i wear with pride. all of that said, i don't judge others for what they choose to eat. my trying to make someone feel bad for eating a hamburger isn't going to change the world, nor is my antagonism going to influence the person i'm addressing. i learned that the hard way during my first couple of years as a veggie. consequently, i've become completely impervious to people trying to "get my goat" by talking about how they love nothing better than eating a big fat juicy steak. these days, i just think that kind of goading says more about their being uncomfortable with my lifestyle than it says anything about me.
but back to the "meat is murder" thing - in two years, i'll have been veggie for half my life. i feel like i've influenced more people simply by being a living example - by answering questions about my diet, by cooking for friends and family, by taking people i know to veggie/vegan restaurants, and by sharing the FUN parts of being a vegetarian, that i could ever have done by telling people how primitive and awful they are for eating animal carcasses. i guess i'm just trying to say "love the sinner, hate the sin".  | |
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Sorry , but how can you convince people it's wrong without
being blunt and saying meat is murder ?! I think everybody that eats meat should realize that ! [Edited 10/20/04 18:54pm] | |
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Dewrede said: MEAT IS MURDER !
No, meat is food, murder is murder. To each their own, don't eat meat, be a vegan and don't eat dairy, eat meat and bite a cow's rib cage in the field, whatever, but when you equate animals being eaten to murder (humans being killed) you missed that class on the food chain. Things eat other things everyday, Animal Planet and the Science channel really show it all. | |
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Well, it's an interesting conundrum. When people first started eating meat, it was to supplement their diet which was lacking in essential proteins necessary for survival at the time.
As the years progressed and hunter/gatherers started to colonize, they also started to learn how to domesticate their animals. The animals became slower, more docile, fatter, and their defense systems were weakened. Today, letting our chickens, pigs and cows out into the wild would simply not work. These animals are not equipped to defend themselves, and often even take care of themselves. A guy a friend of mine knew owned a turkey farm, and get this. He had to take turkeys into shelter whenever it rained because, I'm not joking here, they would drown themselves looking at the rain up in the sky. But, lets assume that we stopped eating meat, and somehow these stupid animals stayed alive. Cows for example. There are millions of cows in my province, and if we let them go and did not control their populations, they would rapidly consume our crops, rape our fertile land dry, causing the topsoil to be exposed and damaged by the sun's harmful rays, reducing the crops we could grow in the future. The cow's methane gas would dramatically contribute to the greenhouse effect as the population grew, and their waste materials would contaminate our drinking water. We would be forced to kill these cows off for our own survival. Our bodies were designed to process both meats and vegetables. We are omnivorous, and meats do give us things that vegetables can't offer, or can't easily offer. But that doesn't matter, because animals, domesticated as they are today, could not survive on their own, and if they could, they would cause other environmental hazards. If people want to be wary about their nutrition, that's great. People eat too much meat today anyway. But meat is not murder. Out of necessity people have eaten meat for sometime, and it's only in very recent years that common people have been able to make due without it. My parents ate almost nothing BUT meat in the winter when they grew up, because the only veggies they could get were what they jarred from their gardens, and meat was the only readily available source of food. Meat is a natural part of our diet, and it is fine for us to eat it. [Edited 10/20/04 17:41pm] [Edited 10/20/04 20:47pm] "Knowledge is preferable to ignorance. Better by far to embrace the hard truth than a reassuring faith. If we crave some cosmic purpose, then let us find ourselves a worthy goal" - Carl Sagan | |
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It also means "to kill brutally or inhumanly"
(replying to Slave..) [Edited 10/20/04 18:40pm] | |
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savoirfaire said: Well, it's an interesting conundrum. When people first started eating meat, it was to supplement their diet which was lacking in essential proteins necessary for survival at the time.
As the years progressed and hunter/gatherers started to colonize, they also started to learn how to domesticate their animals. The animals became slower, more docile, fatter, and their defense systems were weakened. Today, letting our chickens, pigs and cows out into the wild would simply not work. These animals are not equipped to defend themselves, and often even take care of themselves. A guy I knew owned a turkey farm, and get this. He had to take turkeys into shelter whenever it rained because, I'm not joking here, they would drown themselves looking at the rain up in the sky. But, lets assume that we stopped eating meat, and somehow these stupid animals stayed alive. Cows for example. There are millions of cows in my province, and if we let them go and did not control their populations, they would rapidly consume our crops, rape our fertile land dry, causing the topsoil to be exposed and damaged by the sun's harmful rays, reducing the crops we could grow in the future. The cow's methane gas would dramatically contribute to the greenhouse effect as the population grew, and their waste materials would contaminate our drinking water. We would be forced to kill these cows off for our own survival. Our bodies were designed to process both meats and vegetables. We are omnivorous, and meats do give us things that vegetables can't offer, or can't easily offer. But that doesn't matter, because animals, domesticated as they are today, could not survive on their own, and if they could, they would cause other environmental hazards. If people want to be wary about their nutrition, that's great. People eat too much meat today anyway. But meat is not murder. Out of necessity people have eaten meat for sometime, and it's only in very recent years that common people have been able to make due without it. My parents ate almost nothing BUT meat in the winter when they grew up, because the only veggies they could get were what they jarred from their gardens, and meat was the only readily available source of food. Meat is a natural part of our diet, and it is fine for us to eat it. It's only because of humans there is so much cattle nowadays | |
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Dewrede said: savoirfaire said: Well, it's an interesting conundrum. When people first started eating meat, it was to supplement their diet which was lacking in essential proteins necessary for survival at the time.
As the years progressed and hunter/gatherers started to colonize, they also started to learn how to domesticate their animals. The animals became slower, more docile, fatter, and their defense systems were weakened. Today, letting our chickens, pigs and cows out into the wild would simply not work. These animals are not equipped to defend themselves, and often even take care of themselves. A guy a friend of mine knew owned a turkey farm, and get this. He had to take turkeys into shelter whenever it rained because, I'm not joking here, they would drown themselves looking at the rain up in the sky. But, lets assume that we stopped eating meat, and somehow these stupid animals stayed alive. Cows for example. There are millions of cows in my province, and if we let them go and did not control their populations, they would rapidly consume our crops, rape our fertile land dry, causing the topsoil to be exposed and damaged by the sun's harmful rays, reducing the crops we could grow in the future. The cow's methane gas would dramatically contribute to the greenhouse effect as the population grew, and their waste materials would contaminate our drinking water. We would be forced to kill these cows off for our own survival. Our bodies were designed to process both meats and vegetables. We are omnivorous, and meats do give us things that vegetables can't offer, or can't easily offer. But that doesn't matter, because animals, domesticated as they are today, could not survive on their own, and if they could, they would cause other environmental hazards. If people want to be wary about their nutrition, that's great. People eat too much meat today anyway. But meat is not murder. Out of necessity people have eaten meat for sometime, and it's only in very recent years that common people have been able to make due without it. My parents ate almost nothing BUT meat in the winter when they grew up, because the only veggies they could get were what they jarred from their gardens, and meat was the only readily available source of food. Meat is a natural part of our diet, and it is fine for us to eat it. It's only because of humans there is so much cattle nowadays Yes, and? I know it's a manmade problem. It's a manmade problem that has been a necessity for the last 200,000 years. We just supposed to let them free now? [Edited 10/20/04 20:42pm] "Knowledge is preferable to ignorance. Better by far to embrace the hard truth than a reassuring faith. If we crave some cosmic purpose, then let us find ourselves a worthy goal" - Carl Sagan | |
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This kind of shit makes me tired.
We're animals, only smarter than most. We have canine teeth,we can digest meat, nd absorb the nutrients. Do I think there is brutality in the meat industry? Sure. But you can't expect people to stop eating what they've been eating since the beginning of man. If you wanna point your finger at people for eating meat, then point your finger at lions, tigers, bears, sharks, etc. who also eat other animals. Until synthetic meat is created which has the same taste, texture, and nutrients, then you just have to live with the reality of it all. I eat animals on a daily basis, and I love it. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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I just changed my signature like three days ago!  I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired! | |
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