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Printableirresistibleb1tch said: <-- catches bugs and puts them outside. it's quite easy, really.
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Anxiety said: irresistibleb1tch said: <-- catches bugs and puts them outside. it's quite easy, really.
prove me wrong | |
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HowComeUdontBanMeAnymore said: ok you include all living beings in your definition, but you yourself have admitted that you kill insects every time you drive your car or take a walk in the forrest...
this makes your religious argument inconsistent.. either you kill or do not kill living beings whether or not it is intentional. For me personally, it is not problem that animals are killed for food or fur. As this thread demonstrates, it is all about feelings and not about logic. People, in general, have no problem killing insects, but they do have a problem killing animals cause they have an emotional bond with them. That is a logical inconsistency... that's all Im saying (Baby seals, cats, dogs etc.) so you honestly see no difference between inadvertently stepping on an ant and shooting an elephant for his ivory? come on, you're smarter than that. following your logic, simply because we may accidentally step on an insect, we should go ahead and merrily kill anything that comes our way, since, as i read your argument "the bad deed is done"? seems like a convenient way out of your subconscious guilt. mind you, i'm not saying you should feel guilty - you are where you are in terms of developing your sense of compassion. it's all good - we believe you have a few more rounds in samsara to go.  | |
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HowComeUdontBanMeAnymore said: fantasyislander said: she said she doesn't intentionally kill another being. killing a spider that walks under your car tire is all but impossible to avoid.
actually it is not impossible.. especially not if you are a confessed buddhist there's is actually a buddhist sect that live their lives so they dont kill any living beings - insects included. So they watch their step to avoid stepping on insects for instance.. I will agree that this is extreamly difficult in a modern western world, but it's not impossible. Back to the "intentional killing" argument: It doesnt matter to the animal or insect whether or not it was intentionally or unintentionally killed... it's gonna die anyway So in terms of suffering it is the same; and the relief of suffering is the core presmise IB follows which - as demonstrated - doesn't stand further scrutiny.  apparently, you've never ridden in the car with me, or taken a walk with me. i drive my husband nuts - i come to a complete stop for any discernable animal, from squirrels to turtles (who i tend to pick up and place at a safe distance from the road) to snakes to bugs. i'll push you out of the way if i think you're going to step on an insect, and don't even THINK about swatting a fly in my office or my house.
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Anxiety said: irresistibleb1tch said: <-- catches bugs and puts them outside. it's quite easy, really.
you rock, Anx! | |
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There was once a scientist
Who in the 1960s Masturbated and put his sperm In a petri dish Then had a scientest friend do the same Into another petri dish To use as a control for their experiment The scientist then took amyl nitrate And went into the next room To dance or whatever And his scientist friend Then studied both petri dishes And both differed in disturbing extremes In this first scientist's dish The sperm were going truly bongo Like they had been naturally stimulated Yet the other scientist's control dish Who had not taken any stimulants They were not. True story.
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irresistibleb1tch said: HowComeUdontBanMeAnymore said: ok you include all living beings in your definition, but you yourself have admitted that you kill insects every time you drive your car or take a walk in the forrest...
this makes your religious argument inconsistent.. either you kill or do not kill living beings whether or not it is intentional. For me personally, it is not problem that animals are killed for food or fur. As this thread demonstrates, it is all about feelings and not about logic. People, in general, have no problem killing insects, but they do have a problem killing animals cause they have an emotional bond with them. That is a logical inconsistency... that's all Im saying (Baby seals, cats, dogs etc.) so you honestly see no difference between inadvertently stepping on an ant and shooting an elephant for his ivory? I do, but you shouldn't if you want to keep your argument consistent (a life is a life). prove me wrong | |
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irresistibleb1tch said: HowComeUdontBanMeAnymore said: ok you include all living beings in your definition, but you yourself have admitted that you kill insects every time you drive your car or take a walk in the forrest...
this makes your religious argument inconsistent.. either you kill or do not kill living beings whether or not it is intentional. For me personally, it is not problem that animals are killed for food or fur. As this thread demonstrates, it is all about feelings and not about logic. People, in general, have no problem killing insects, but they do have a problem killing animals cause they have an emotional bond with them. That is a logical inconsistency... that's all Im saying (Baby seals, cats, dogs etc.) following your logic, simply because we may accidentally step on an insect, we should go ahead and merrily kill anything that comes our way Im saying that you cannot be consistent in your non-killing approach, and that the insect doesnt care whether you kill it by accident or not. Personally, I could care less whether you go on an insect killing spree or not prove me wrong | |
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I feel bad when I have to kill a bug. We had a load of ants outside on the balcony that used to walk back and forth along the edge, but not actually on the balcony. One day they started exploring and I had to get rid of them with a spray. Big red ants, couldn't have them coming in the room.
Fascinating. 
I'd never kill the geckos and 'jingjoks' when I find them on the wall in the bathroom though.  | |
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HowComeUdontBanMeAnymore said: irresistibleb1tch said: following your logic, simply because we may accidentally step on an insect, we should go ahead and merrily kill anything that comes our way Im saying that you cannot be consistent in your non-killing approach, and that the insect doesnt care whether you kill it by accident or not. but i care. Personally, I could care less whether you go on an insect killing spree or not so it's baiting for baiting's sake? i should have figured that. | |
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what about the bugs we inadvertently eat while we sleep? We all kill a lot of spiders that way...got bad news for you. | |
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Go eat a catapillar  No hablo espanol,no! 
Pero hablo ingles..ssii muy muy bien...
 "Come into my world..."
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lilmissmissy said: Go eat a catapillar
ewwwww no.  | |
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bluesbaby said: what about the bugs we inadvertently eat while we sleep? We all kill a lot of spiders that way...got bad news for you.
your room is waiting. | |
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asylum said: bluesbaby said: what about the bugs we inadvertently eat while we sleep? We all kill a lot of spiders that way...got bad news for you.
your room is waiting. are there fresh towels? | |
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bluesbaby said: lilmissmissy said: Go eat a catapillar
ewwwww no. Do it!! Or i'll get cross!! No hablo espanol,no!
Pero hablo ingles..ssii muy muy bien...
"Come into my world..."
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bluesbaby said: asylum said: your room is waiting. are there fresh towels? for dining or washing up? | |
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i would like to comment if i may on the killing of bugs.
rabbits are your friends. thank you. [Edited 10/21/04 21:07pm] | |
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lilmissmissy said: bluesbaby said: ewwwww no. Do it!! Or i'll get cross!! I'll baptize it, bless it, but I won't eat it. 
you keep your lil tantrum to y'self, lil lady! | |
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bluesbaby said: lilmissmissy said: Do it!! Or i'll get cross!! I'll baptize it, bless it, but I won't eat it.
you keep your lil tantrum to y'self, lil lady! Awww i'm gonna be sad now 
 No hablo espanol,no!
Pero hablo ingles..ssii muy muy bien...
"Come into my world..."
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lilmissmissy said: bluesbaby said: I'll baptize it, bless it, but I won't eat it.
you keep your lil tantrum to y'self, lil lady! Awww i'm gonna be sad now
hans says he will eat it for you. that is a bug, is it not, hans? why are you smiling? oh dear i must fetch my car keys. | |
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asylum said: lilmissmissy said: Awww i'm gonna be sad now
hans says he will eat it for you. that is a bug, is it not, hans? why are you smiling? oh dear i must fetch my car keys. DEAL!  
 No hablo espanol,no!
Pero hablo ingles..ssii muy muy bien...
"Come into my world..."
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lilmissmissy said: asylum said: hans says he will eat it for you. that is a bug, is it not, hans? why are you smiling? oh dear i must fetch my car keys. DEAL!
I'll drink to that. | |
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bluesbaby said: lilmissmissy said: DEAL!
I'll drink to that. hans will as well. preferably baby oil. it keeps his insides smooth. now that is just absurd! | |
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asylum said: bluesbaby said: I'll drink to that. hans will as well. preferably baby oil. it keeps his insides smooth. now that is just absurd! Tell hans he can't drink nuffin till he eatz da catapillar!! No hablo espanol,no!
Pero hablo ingles..ssii muy muy bien...
"Come into my world..."
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lilmissmissy said: asylum said: hans will as well. preferably baby oil. it keeps his insides smooth. now that is just absurd! Tell hans he can't drink nuffin till he eatz da catapillar!! he wants to suck it up through another orifice. oh that is just disgusting. | |
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asylum said: lilmissmissy said: Tell hans he can't drink nuffin till he eatz da catapillar!! he wants to suck it up through another orifice. oh that is just disgusting.  No, through his mouth, tell him he has to eat it da "normal" way No hablo espanol,no!
Pero hablo ingles..ssii muy muy bien...
"Come into my world..."
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lilmissmissy said: asylum said: he wants to suck it up through another orifice. oh that is just disgusting. No, through his mouth, tell him he has to eat it da "normal" way he wants more pictures. ok-fine. there it goes. oh he is enjoying it. hans, why do you need a glass of wine? | |
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asylum said: lilmissmissy said: No, through his mouth, tell him he has to eat it da "normal" way he wants more pictures. ok-fine. there it goes. oh he is enjoying it. hans, why do you need a glass of wine?  No hablo espanol,no!
Pero hablo ingles..ssii muy muy bien...
"Come into my world..."
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lilmissmissy said: asylum said: he wants more pictures. ok-fine. there it goes. oh he is enjoying it. hans, why do you need a glass of wine? he wants more. now look at what you have done. | |
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