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PrintableAdisa said: I just changed my signature like three days ago!
  "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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Dewrede said: Look at that cow being slaughtered and enjoy your meal ! (thanks for posting that video IB , tho' i don't think those hypocrits can stand to see it , sorry Natisse , but if you eat meat you should be able to watch animals get killed for you to eat) Oops sorry , i meant to edit my previous post I know and I agree...I said before I'm a hypocrite for it and I accept that  until I get more info and find out more about it and make a change possibly I know I'm a hypocrite  it's something I don't like about myself, yes, but there it is...it's the truth | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: This kind of shit makes me tired.
We're animals, only smarter than most. We have canine teeth,we can digest meat, nd absorb the nutrients. Do I think there is brutality in the meat industry? Sure. But you can't expect people to stop eating what they've been eating since the beginning of man. If you wanna point your finger at people for eating meat, then point your finger at lions, tigers, bears, sharks, etc. who also eat other animals. Until synthetic meat is created which has the same taste, texture, and nutrients, then you just have to live with the reality of it all. I eat animals on a daily basis, and I love it. 
Also, if we were supposed to be vegetarians, why can't we digest most raw veggies? | |
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EvilWhiteMale said:[quote].
But you can't expect people to stop eating what they've been eating since the beginning of man. If you wanna point your finger at people for eating meat, then point your finger at lions, tigers, bears, sharks, etc. who also eat other animals. . First statement reply - Why not ? Second statement reply -They need in order to survive , humans don't , that's the difference ! [Edited 10/20/04 19:05pm] | |
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Some people say abortion is murder, too.
Each one is a choice. | |
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Dewrede said:[quote] EvilWhiteMale said: .
But you can't expect people to stop eating what they've been eating since the beginning of man. If you wanna point your finger at people for eating meat, then point your finger at lions, tigers, bears, sharks, etc. who also eat other animals. . First statement reply - Why not ? Second statement reply -They need in order to survive , humans don't , that's the difference ! [Edited 10/20/04 19:05pm] People have also been able to survive on junk food, but that doesn't make a healthy diet. | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: This kind of shit makes me tired.
We're animals, only smarter than most. We have canine teeth,we can digest meat, nd absorb the nutrients. Do I think there is brutality in the meat industry? Sure. But you can't expect people to stop eating what they've been eating since the beginning of man. If you wanna point your finger at people for eating meat, then point your finger at lions, tigers, bears, sharks, etc. who also eat other animals. Until synthetic meat is created which has the same taste, texture, and nutrients, then you just have to live with the reality of it all. I eat animals on a daily basis, and I love it. you're absolutely right. we CAN digest meat. we also CAN digest plant matter. we're omnivorous. it doesn't mean that we HAVE to digest one or the other - it's a choice, and given that choice, i for one choose not to inflict pain and suffering on other beings. you can choose to inflict that pain and suffering in your daily life, and you have. your animal examples, however, don't hold water. you're comparing humans (omnivores) to carnivorous animals. also, meat alternatives with great taste, texture and nutrients have been developed. have you tried any of them? research has shown that eating animal protein on a daily basis is harmful to your body. EWM, i dislike your politics, and i dislike your lack of compassion for others, but believe it or not, i don't want you to die early because of your meat-based diet. so if there is any information i can give you on healthy eating, i'll be happy to send it to you. 
get your prepositions straight, missy edit... [Edited 10/20/04 19:11pm] | |
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irresistibleb1tch said: EvilWhiteMale said: This kind of shit makes me tired.
We're animals, only smarter than most. We have canine teeth,we can digest meat, nd absorb the nutrients. Do I think there is brutality in the meat industry? Sure. But you can't expect people to stop eating what they've been eating since the beginning of man. If you wanna point your finger at people for eating meat, then point your finger at lions, tigers, bears, sharks, etc. who also eat other animals. Until synthetic meat is created which has the same taste, texture, and nutrients, then you just have to live with the reality of it all. I eat animals on a daily basis, and I love it. you're absolutely right. we CAN digest meat. we also CAN digest plant matter. we're omnivorous. We need the best of both. No one with half a brain would suggest eating meat only, so why suggest only eating plants? Just because we can 'survive' on it? That's not what being omnivorous means. | |
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"We" don't NEED meat at all
I've been a vegetarian for 22 years and i'm still alive [Edited 10/20/04 19:16pm] | |
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Dewrede said:[quote] EvilWhiteMale said: .
But you can't expect people to stop eating what they've been eating since the beginning of man. If you wanna point your finger at people for eating meat, then point your finger at lions, tigers, bears, sharks, etc. who also eat other animals. . First statement reply - Why not ? Because it's not in our nature to do so. Second statement reply -They need in order to survive , humans don't , that's the difference ! So where are we all supposed to get our protein from, soy, tofu, and beans? Fuck that. That'll never fly with the world's populations. And more and more I hear about these vegans who are getting sick because they don't get the nutrients from animal products. It's ridiculous for people to force themselves into an unhealthy lifestyle just because they don't want to eat animals. There's nothing wrong with eating meat. It's 100% natural. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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InspectorGadget said: irresistibleb1tch said: you're absolutely right. we CAN digest meat. we also CAN digest plant matter. we're omnivorous. We need the best of both. No one with half a brain would suggest eating meat only, so why suggest only eating plants? Just because we can 'survive' on it? That's not what being omnivorous means. not only can you survive on a plant-based diet, you can avoid heart disease and type 2 diabetes with this type of diet, and some research even shows that certain types of cancer and Alzheimer's are linked to animal proteins. argument enough, i think. | |
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Dewrede said: "We" don't NEED meat at all
I've been a vegetarion for 22 years and i'm still alive [Edited 10/20/04 19:15pm] You might to be able to do without and so will your children and maybe even your grandchildren, but somewhere down the line complications will occur because it is not what nature intended for us to base our diets on. There are people who have transformed their cats and dogs into vegetarians too. Yes, they're alive, but it's not the healthiest diet for them. | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: And more and more I hear about these vegans who are getting sick because they don't get the nutrients from animal products. It's ridiculous for people to force themselves into an unhealthy lifestyle just because they don't want to eat animals. where exactly are you hearing this? the only vital nutrient a vegan diet can't provide is B-12. just bought some at the drug store today. $5 and change - no reason to eat dead animals. can you be an unhealthy vegan? sure! are there many? not to my knowledge. however, i hear of record numbers of heart bypasses being done every day - sorry, but that just doesn't make sense to me. | |
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I recently saw on television there's a parasite in undercooked meat (can't remember the name tho') that can affect your short time memory [Edited 10/20/04 19:24pm] | |
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irresistibleb1tch said: you're absolutely right. we CAN digest meat. we also CAN digest plant matter. we're omnivorous. it doesn't mean that we HAVE to digest one or the other - it's a choice, and given that choice, i for one choose not to inflict pain and suffering on other beings. you can choose to inflict that pain and suffering in your daily life, and you have.
Hey, I don't want animals to suffer and I want them to be treated as well as possible before they're decapitated, gutted, and put on my plate. your animal examples, however, don't hold water. you're comparing humans (omnivores) to carnivorous animals. Okay, we're omnivores. So we're allowed to eat meat. It's good for us. also, meat alternatives with great taste, texture and nutrients have been developed. have you tried any of them? Yeah. And thanks, but no thanks. I had gas for a week after that crap. Tell them to try again. research has shown that eating animal protein on a daily basis is harmful to your body. EWM, i dislike your politics, and i dislike your lack of compassion for others, but believe it or not, i don't want you to die early because of your meat-based diet. so if there is any information i can give you on healthy eating, i'll be happy to send it to you.
Thanks for your concern, but I'm doing just fine, and so have many billions and billions of people throughout time. I don't eat red meat every day, I mix it up with chicken, fish, etc. and I get lots of fruits and veggies in my diet. Being a vegan or a vegetarian doesn't ensure a healthier life. Cancer and other diseases don't only target meat eaters. Remember that. . [Edited 10/20/04 19:25pm] "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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A vegetarian diet is a superior diet to that which includes a lot of meat products - especially if your diet consists of a lot of fast foods and/or processed foods. While I don't like to harp on the ethical aspect of a veggie diet (I think we all know that argument), when my friends and family bring up how I eat, I will suggest that they at least CUT DOWN on the meat they eat, and at least TRY some of the veg/soy alternatives out there.
Soy milk tastes great on cereal. Boca ground "beef" tastes great in sloppy joes. Boca also makes really REALLY good soy bratwursts and italian sausages. If you wanna feel really really good and full of energy and health, try going to a vegan restaurant and ordering the macrobiotic steamed veggie plate. You'll be AMAZED at how good you'll feel after you've eaten. Do you know what it feels like to be full from dinner and feel like running around the block as a result? Human beings might have canine teeth just like other carnivorous animals, but we have one feature that other animals don't: REASON. Dogs will crap in the middle of the street and lions have been known to eat their young. Are these natural or acceptable behaviors for human beings? Hey, just sayin'. | |
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Dewrede said: I recently saw on television there's a parasite in undercooked meat (can't remember the name tho') that can affect your short time memory
[Edited 10/20/04 19:24pm] There are parasites, bacteria, virusses all around us. | |
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Dewrede said: "We" don't NEED meat at all
I've been a vegetarian for 22 years and i'm still alive Good for you. But that's YOUR thing. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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I know , but people shouldn't be saying we NEED it | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: Dewrede said: "We" don't NEED meat at all
I've been a vegetarian for 22 years and i'm still alive Good for you. But that's YOUR thing.  | |
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irresistibleb1tch said: where exactly are you hearing this? the only vital nutrient a vegan diet can't provide is B-12. just bought some at the drug store today. $5 and change - no reason to eat dead animals. can you be an unhealthy vegan? sure! are there many? not to my knowledge. however, i hear of record numbers of heart bypasses being done every day - sorry, but that just doesn't make sense to me. Speak to some doctors. They'll tell you that a lot of non-meat eaters have gotten sick because of their diets. It's a lot harder getting the proper nutrients. My aunt was a strict vegetarian and not only did her doctor tell her to get back on the meat, but she got cancer too. Luckily she beat it, but it goes to show you that vegetarians can get sick too, and sometimes they get sick because of their non-meat diets. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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Dewrede said: I know , but people shouldn't be saying we NEED it
hmmm why isnt it okay for them to say we need it yet okay for you to say its murder and that they dont need it ?  | |
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Dewrede said: I know , but people shouldn't be saying we NEED it
Just like people saying we NEED a vegetarian diet, huh? | |
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Oxygen free radicals which are present in the very same air we breathe and NEED are also killing us, does that mean it would be better not to breathe at all? | |
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MrJoker said: Dewrede said: I know , but people shouldn't be saying we NEED it
Just like people saying we NEED a vegetarian diet, huh?  | |
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Replying to the 4 posts above :
I was merely replying to somebody that said we NEED meat [Edited 10/20/04 19:34pm] | |
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Anxiety said: A vegetarian diet is a superior diet to that which includes a lot of meat products - especially if your diet consists of a lot of fast foods and/or processed foods. While I don't like to harp on the ethical aspect of a veggie diet (I think we all know that argument), when my friends and family bring up how I eat, I will suggest that they at least CUT DOWN on the meat they eat, and at least TRY some of the veg/soy alternatives out there.
Soy milk tastes great on cereal. Boca ground "beef" tastes great in sloppy joes. Boca also makes really REALLY good soy bratwursts and italian sausages. If you wanna feel really really good and full of energy and health, try going to a vegan restaurant and ordering the macrobiotic steamed veggie plate. You'll be AMAZED at how good you'll feel after you've eaten. Do you know what it feels like to be full from dinner and feel like running around the block as a result? Human beings might have canine teeth just like other carnivorous animals, but we have one feature that other animals don't: REASON. Dogs will crap in the middle of the street and lions have been known to eat their young. Are these natural or acceptable behaviors for human beings? Hey, just sayin'. great info, Anx! on the canine teeth issue - another thing that separates us from our carnivore friends is our digestive system. dogs swallow entire pieces of meat and digest them in their stomachs, whereas we have to chew them carefully and pre-digest them in our mouths. beside the fact that the thought of that makes me sick to my stomach, it tells us a lot about what separates us from pure carnivores. and EWM, if you think you can be a healthy meat-eater, you're plain wrong. my offer stands. | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: irresistibleb1tch said: where exactly are you hearing this? the only vital nutrient a vegan diet can't provide is B-12. just bought some at the drug store today. $5 and change - no reason to eat dead animals. can you be an unhealthy vegan? sure! are there many? not to my knowledge. however, i hear of record numbers of heart bypasses being done every day - sorry, but that just doesn't make sense to me. Speak to some doctors. They'll tell you that a lot of non-meat eaters have gotten sick because of their diets. It's a lot harder getting the proper nutrients. My aunt was a strict vegetarian and not only did her doctor tell her to get back on the meat, but she got cancer too. Luckily she beat it, but it goes to show you that vegetarians can get sick too, and sometimes they get sick because of their non-meat diets. Hurray for EWM and his love of meat! I'm with ya on this one, but my voice apparently isn't loud enough to be heard.  "Knowledge is preferable to ignorance. Better by far to embrace the hard truth than a reassuring faith. If we crave some cosmic purpose, then let us find ourselves a worthy goal" - Carl Sagan | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: vegetarians can get sick too, and sometimes they get sick because of their non-meat diets.
I don't think anyone is saying that a vegetarian diet makes anyone invincible or impervious. Any number of things can make a person sick - genetics, environment, chemical dependencies, blah blah blah blah blah. And as for what doctors have to say, I can only take the advice of my own doctor, who thinks it's great that I'm a veggie and told me just last month to keep up the good work.  | |
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irresistibleb1tch said: Anxiety said: A vegetarian diet is a superior diet to that which includes a lot of meat products - especially if your diet consists of a lot of fast foods and/or processed foods. While I don't like to harp on the ethical aspect of a veggie diet (I think we all know that argument), when my friends and family bring up how I eat, I will suggest that they at least CUT DOWN on the meat they eat, and at least TRY some of the veg/soy alternatives out there.
Soy milk tastes great on cereal. Boca ground "beef" tastes great in sloppy joes. Boca also makes really REALLY good soy bratwursts and italian sausages. If you wanna feel really really good and full of energy and health, try going to a vegan restaurant and ordering the macrobiotic steamed veggie plate. You'll be AMAZED at how good you'll feel after you've eaten. Do you know what it feels like to be full from dinner and feel like running around the block as a result? Human beings might have canine teeth just like other carnivorous animals, but we have one feature that other animals don't: REASON. Dogs will crap in the middle of the street and lions have been known to eat their young. Are these natural or acceptable behaviors for human beings? Hey, just sayin'. [b] great info, Anx! on the canine teeth issue - another thing that separates us from our carnivore friends is our digestive system. dogs swallow entire pieces of meat and digest them in their stomachs, whereas we have to chew them carefully and pre-digest them in our mouths. Try eating a raw potato and see what happens. | |
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