JediMaster said:

im with you on that one. actually, jar jar gets way too bad a rap. sure, hes only in the first one for the kiddies, but it makes sense. there needed to be something a little bit light hearted before it got into the clone wars and the fall of anakin.

of course, jar jar IS ultimately responsible for the fall of the republic!!

fantasyislander said:

nah. the ewoks were annoying little fuckers!

Ashtheking said:

that's it!! now you're gonna get it!!

this is for clay and the ewoks!!

I actually like most of the changes that have been made to the movies.

There are a couple of obvious exceptions though...
The young Anakin ghost... (just makes no sense)
and Greedo still shoots first... (goddammit!)

Other than that everything's pretty good.
The picture quality's just amazing, and the updating of a lot of the lightsaber effects is a
welcome addition. As is a few minor details like the renaming of the 'tractor beam' controls.
Plus I loved the new Vader / Emperor hologram conversation in Empire, that was a very
welcome change.

BorisFishpaw said:

i can't wait to see it for myself. anyone want to buy me a dvd player and the SW trilogy?? pleeeeeaaaase??

All the reviews seem to be making a really big deal over how sparkling clear and pristine the movies look, so I'm looking foward to that. Especially A New Hope.

1. i was really really REALLY hoping the hayden christensen thing was a joke/hoax. now that i'm seeing it's real, i still think it's a hoax. denial is a powerful thing.

2. i'm going to miss luke's girly scream in ESB.

fantasyislander said:








Anger, agression. These are the path to the Dark Side!

JediMaster said:

once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. consume you it will. as it did obiwan's apprentice.

vader. is the dark side stronger?

no. no, quicker, easier, more seductive.

fantasyislander said:

I'm fairly certain Clay IS an Ewok!!!

Actually, I felt that the Ewoks benefitted from the Special Edition, by removing that annoying "Yub Yub" song. Giving them an earthier, more medieval, celebration song really helped bring the film back in line with the first two, and made the Ewoks less "Sesame Street"-ish. I think the biggest problem with them (and ROTJ in general) was that the tone kept shifting from a great, galactic civil war to a kiddie movie (TPM suffers the same problem, only its much more even on the whole. Its never as good as the good stuff in ROTJ, but it does maintain itself a little better thematically).






I have heard that Clay is planning a remix of the "Yub Yub" song for his next album!

Anxiety said:

they took out the scream???

NOOOOO!!!!!

BorisFishpaw said:

Totally agree! Some of these changes are fantastic!!! The Vader/Emporer scene is a DRASTIC improvement, and firmly cements ESB as the greatest film of the series. In my opinion, they just fixed the ONE flaw the film had.

Renaming the tractor beam, fixing the lightsaber effects and removing Luke's girly scream are all welcome changes. In fact most of them are pretty darned good. I just think of these as "Director's cuts" and I'm happy. I DO wish they'd release the original cuts, if only for my Posterity.

Now, as for Anakin's ghost and Greedo shooting first.....total BS! Not a single fan likes Greedo shooting first, and few are diggin' Hayden being inserted as a ghost. Still, if this is the price we pay for the "fixed" ESB, then its all good as far as I'm concerned.

fantasyislander said:

From what I've heard, the scene actually plays much better. Now that the giggle-inducing scream is gone, the scene has even more dramatic weight.


Boris, you care to confirm???

OdysseyMiles said:

Oh HELL YEAH!!!

Maybe I'm a lil' out of it, but what's the big deal with Greedo shooting first?
I'm trying to remember this scene, but it's kinda spotty. Did Lucas make Greedo shoot first to make Han seem less callous?

Anxiety said:

1. and TOTALLY AGREE!!! I was denying it myself for the longest time, and I was pretty sure it was a hoax (the pic on Aint It Cool was certainly a photo-shop job. It just happened to be a photo-shop job of an actual change!!!) Ugh!

2. Well, it was funny and all, but I'm kinda glad its gone. The film is so damned-near perfect, and I'm all about them removing any little blemish like this. (Hell, this is the film with the fewest changes period, because it really didn't need many. IT FREAKING ROCKS!!!!

OdysseyMiles said:

Yes. Lucas felt that it appeared that Han was killing Greedo in cold-blood, and that wasn't how a hero should act.

Of course, I feel this is BS. Han is a rogue who looks out for #1. He fries Greedo because he knows that he will be killed himself if he doesn't. This also, in my opinion, takes away from Han's return to the Death Star at the end. Han BECOMES a hero, because the words of Luke and Leia sink in.

It also ruins the whole "western" feel of the scene. The whole planet of Tatooine has a sort of "OK Corral in space" thing going, and Han is very much the Clint Eastwood type character. His showdown with Greedo is the sci-fi equivilant of the showdown at high-noon. By having Greedo shoot first, it loses this IMHO.



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I just want that one scene fixed where you can briefly see the broomstick under Obi Wan's lightsaber. (Episode IV on the Death Star)

teller said:

It is fixed (or so I'm told).

JediMaster said:

From what I've read, they've made adjustments to all the lightsabers so that they have a certain unity in appearance.

OdysseyMiles said:

And that's a VERY good thing!!!


y'know, I'm happy as long as they leave the stormtrooper knocking his head on the top of the dooorway!! That never ceases to crack me up!!

Dave have lite say-bur. He and son play with them. Make noise and scare Hopkins. Not as scary as vacuum cleaner though!!

JediMaster said:

Now that's classic.

OdysseyMiles said:

Indeed! And it was YEARS before I caught that!! I had the crappy pan & scan VHS tapes for so long, and you really can't see it on those. I was at a friends house when the laser discs came out, and we both just HOWLED at that!!

Hopkins favorite Chewbacca! He speak my language!

HopkinsTheCorgi said:

Chewie ROCKS!!!!

Another thing I just noticed is that they've replaced Boba Fett's voice.
He now sounds like Temuera Morrison.

It also looks like they've smoothed out some of the effects that were added when the special
editions first came out too. The Ronto's and extra stuff at Mos Eisley all seem more 'real' and
blended in better with the old footage (though it might just be my imagination).

And yes, all the lightsaber effects look more consistent.
(no more 'broomhandles' either).
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JediMaster said:

Yup, no more girly scream!

Does Han still grab Leia's breast right after she gets shot in the arm on Endor?

Does Oola still "fall out" of her dancing costume before she falls through the floor to the Rancor?

MrJoker said:

yeah, let's start talking about the important stuff here people . . .