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PrintableNatisse said: Heavenly said: Never say the last episodes. So who killed Laura Palmer? her father?
Yes it was her father, Leland...inhabited by "Bob"  
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JediMaster said: heartbeatocean said: Since everyone here adores this show, this is probably not the place to say it but I can not watch TWIN PEAKS because of its mysoginist (woman-hating) elements. I respect David Lynch as a filmmaker and really dig his style and I also dug Twin Peaks a lot when it first came out. But Twin Peaks was way too heavy on the woman-stalking, woman killing, woman-as-victim theme. I can't stomach that crap, find no joy in it, and its hardly necessary considering we have loads and loads of movies and TV shows that fulfill our cravings to see women brutalized. In that sense, his work is NOT original, not thought provoking, and not fun.
My  I understand your feelings, but I don't agree. I think the show (and much of Lynch's work) depicts MEN in the negative (as stalkers, killers, etc), and these men usually pay for their actions. Still, there are plenty of strong women on the series (Audrey, Norma, Annie) who defy their tormentors. Heck, even Lauran Palmer herslef, while a victim, is defiant. BoB kills her because she won't allow him to possess her. Her defiance, in spite of her many faults, is with her until the end. My response is: so what if Laura was defiant till the end? She was brutalized and murdered. And perhaps there are strong women and idiotic men, but my point is I would rather not participate as a viewer of women being brutalized whether they deserve it or not. It's an image/experience that is all too readily available and absorbed by this society. I also have this problem with both Blue Velvet and Wild at Heart. It's too much and not entertaining for me, hence I reject it. On the other hand, I love Mulholland Drive, Lynch's most recent film, which I think turns all that around big time. | |
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bananacologne said: heartbeatocean said: Since everyone here adores this show, this is probably not the place to say it but I can not watch TWIN PEAKS because of its mysoginist (woman-hating) elements. I respect David Lynch as a filmmaker and really dig his style and I also dug Twin Peaks a lot when it first came out. But Twin Peaks was way too heavy on the woman-stalking, woman killing, woman-as-victim theme. I can't stomach that crap, find no joy in it, and its hardly necessary considering we have loads and loads of movies and TV shows that fulfill our cravings to see women brutalized. In that sense, his work is NOT original, not thought provoking, and not fun.
My That's like saying lesbians can't be serial killers (anyone remember the furore over Basic Instinct? - All these pro-active gay groups came out against it, and Im like - WTF, get a grip!)  I don't get the connection. I haven't seen Basic Instinct so I can't comment on that.
Sometimes people just need 2 chill and realise it's JUST a story, and nothing else.
Stories express and reflect the values of culture. Discussion and analysis help illuminate our own values and beliefs and give our lives meaning. Stories empower or weaken us on a psychological level. They reinforce prejudices or carve out new territories for expression. It is my belief they are vital to our lives. But if you want to stick your head in the sand or swallow anything that gets served up, hey, that's okay with me. | |
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