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Thread started 08/22/04 12:05am

kdowney

why is it............

Americans are such prudes went it comes to sexuality????

i just don't get it sometimes... its so open everywhere else but here n the US its like its so dirty... it just blows my mind sometimes how we can be about things even here on the org with so many from so many different places.... someone posts somethin and some get offended.... its a diverse community here... why can't someone post somethin here that is innocent w/o makn them feel bad and then have to take it down... i just don't understand why some can't think outside the box and know we are not the superior ones all the time.....

just my twocents
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Reply #1 posted 08/22/04 12:13am

J0eyC0c0

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Reply #2 posted 08/22/04 1:09am

Sinister

kdowney said:

Americans are such prudes went it comes to sexuality????

i just don't get it sometimes... its so open everywhere else but here n the US its like its so dirty... it just blows my mind sometimes how we can be about things even here on the org with so many from so many different places.... someone posts somethin and some get offended.... its a diverse community here... why can't someone post somethin here that is innocent w/o makn them feel bad and then have to take it down... i just don't understand why some can't think outside the box and know we are not the superior ones all the time.....

just my twocents


Cause a lot of what they post isn't done in good taste or in fun or done with any wit or skill.....its just not done with any wit.....I don't think people here mind sex threads if its a discussion and not a insult thread in the guise of a discussion....My thing is be a little more creative with words and content.....but that is what most of the uncreative do they revert to the basic sex threads done with no verbal skill or subtlety. But there is nothing innocent about some of the sex threads that have been posted of late.....They are merely bait threads to get a reaction negative or not but a reaction and lots of views and posts.....and the more people view and post on them then the more they will pop up.
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Reply #3 posted 08/22/04 1:44am

PEJ

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some Americans know what you mean wink
To Sir, with Love
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Reply #4 posted 08/22/04 2:06am

damnedifido

I know what you mean sweeite, b4 u post u have 2 think,,hmm this is what I wanna say buy know Im gonna ofend peeps,(some). and so thats limits what you end up saying. I agree in freedon of speach as long as its not meant in a manner to be hurtful, And u Kdowney are refreshing and lovley hug, but we cant all be so, unfortunately. comfort
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Reply #5 posted 08/22/04 5:01am

irresistibleb1
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Sinister said:

kdowney said:

Americans are such prudes went it comes to sexuality????

i just don't get it sometimes... its so open everywhere else but here n the US its like its so dirty... it just blows my mind sometimes how we can be about things even here on the org with so many from so many different places.... someone posts somethin and some get offended.... its a diverse community here... why can't someone post somethin here that is innocent w/o makn them feel bad and then have to take it down... i just don't understand why some can't think outside the box and know we are not the superior ones all the time.....

just my twocents


Cause a lot of what they post isn't done in good taste or in fun or done with any wit or skill.....its just not done with any wit.....I don't think people here mind sex threads if its a discussion and not a insult thread in the guise of a discussion....My thing is be a little more creative with words and content.....but that is what most of the uncreative do they revert to the basic sex threads done with no verbal skill or subtlety. But there is nothing innocent about some of the sex threads that have been posted of late.....They are merely bait threads to get a reaction negative or not but a reaction and lots of views and posts.....and the more people view and post on them then the more they will pop up.


clapping well put!
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Reply #6 posted 08/22/04 7:38am

CCII

kdowney said:

Americans are such prudes went it comes to sexuality????

i just don't get it sometimes... its so open everywhere else but here n the US its like its so dirty... it just blows my mind sometimes how we can be about things even here on the org with so many from so many different places.... someone posts somethin and some get offended.... its a diverse community here... why can't someone post somethin here that is innocent w/o makn them feel bad and then have to take it down... i just don't understand why some can't think outside the box and know we are not the superior ones all the time.....

just my twocents

I just mastubated but I couldn't come. Would you help me? eek
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Reply #7 posted 08/22/04 7:41am

HollowellSA

very well said biggrin
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Reply #8 posted 08/22/04 7:42am

Handclapsfinga
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puritanical hang-ups that are still ingrained within society to this day. i don't get it, either--if sex and sexuality is so bad, then folks shouldn't be procreating anymore.

it's one thing the bastid-assed censor groups tend to forget: without sex, none of us would be here.
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Reply #9 posted 08/22/04 7:45am

TheRealFiness

i say Fuck for the good of all mankind razz whooooo's wit me smile
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Reply #10 posted 08/22/04 8:09am

kdowney

Sinister said:

kdowney said:

Americans are such prudes went it comes to sexuality????

i just don't get it sometimes... its so open everywhere else but here n the US its like its so dirty... it just blows my mind sometimes how we can be about things even here on the org with so many from so many different places.... someone posts somethin and some get offended.... its a diverse community here... why can't someone post somethin here that is innocent w/o makn them feel bad and then have to take it down... i just don't understand why some can't think outside the box and know we are not the superior ones all the time.....

just my twocents


Cause a lot of what they post isn't done in good taste or in fun or done with any wit or skill.....its just not done with any wit.....I don't think people here mind sex threads if its a discussion and not a insult thread in the guise of a discussion....My thing is be a little more creative with words and content.....but that is what most of the uncreative do they revert to the basic sex threads done with no verbal skill or subtlety. But there is nothing innocent about some of the sex threads that have been posted of late.....They are merely bait threads to get a reaction negative or not but a reaction and lots of views and posts.....and the more people view and post on them then the more they will pop up.



i disagree.... there have been some discussion from the chat that have been takn into the forums to ask quesitons..... also there have been a few that have been asked to change their avatars..... Sin come on U know we are prudes here and a lot of what is even on tv's and print in many other courntries is considered porn here..... there is nothing wrong with the human body.... but here its a no-no and if there is a lill of anything like n a movie it gets a R rateing.....
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Reply #11 posted 08/22/04 8:11am

kdowney

PEJ said:




some Americans know what you mean wink


Pej u come from a diverse family lol U nut hug
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Reply #12 posted 08/22/04 8:13am

kdowney

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

puritanical hang-ups that are still ingrained within society to this day. i don't get it, either--if sex and sexuality is so bad, then folks shouldn't be procreating anymore.

it's one thing the bastid-assed censor groups tend to forget: without sex, none of us would be here.



well said punch highfive
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Reply #13 posted 08/22/04 8:15am

kdowney

damnedifido said:

I know what you mean sweeite, b4 u post u have 2 think,,hmm this is what I wanna say buy know Im gonna ofend peeps,(some). and so thats limits what you end up saying. I agree in freedon of speach as long as its not meant in a manner to be hurtful, And u Kdowney are refreshing and lovley hug, but we cant all be so, unfortunately. comfort


ty for the kind words... there have just been some things that have been going on that just gets my blood flown the last few days and i just felt it was time to make a statement and think on it...
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Reply #14 posted 08/22/04 8:15am

kdowney

J0eyC0c0 said:



ur a dork lol and that is not a box dah
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Reply #15 posted 08/22/04 8:17am

kdowney

CCII said:

kdowney said:

Americans are such prudes went it comes to sexuality????

i just don't get it sometimes... its so open everywhere else but here n the US its like its so dirty... it just blows my mind sometimes how we can be about things even here on the org with so many from so many different places.... someone posts somethin and some get offended.... its a diverse community here... why can't someone post somethin here that is innocent w/o makn them feel bad and then have to take it down... i just don't understand why some can't think outside the box and know we are not the superior ones all the time.....

just my twocents

I just mastubated but I couldn't come. Would you help me? eek




falloff sweetie.. . U need to work on U ..... U got a lot of issues.... i think U need to take ur writing n a new direction giggle
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Reply #16 posted 08/22/04 8:19am

Sinister

kdowney said:

Sinister said:



Cause a lot of what they post isn't done in good taste or in fun or done with any wit or skill.....its just not done with any wit.....I don't think people here mind sex threads if its a discussion and not a insult thread in the guise of a discussion....My thing is be a little more creative with words and content.....but that is what most of the uncreative do they revert to the basic sex threads done with no verbal skill or subtlety. But there is nothing innocent about some of the sex threads that have been posted of late.....They are merely bait threads to get a reaction negative or not but a reaction and lots of views and posts.....and the more people view and post on them then the more they will pop up.



i disagree.... there have been some discussion from the chat that have been takn into the forums to ask quesitons..... also there have been a few that have been asked to change their avatars..... Sin come on U know we are prudes here and a lot of what is even on tv's and print in many other courntries is considered porn here..... there is nothing wrong with the human body.... but here its a no-no and if there is a lill of anything like n a movie it gets a R rateing.....


But chat discussions between you and your friends are fine.....but when you post a sex thread without thinking of who you may offend is not cool....Like I said if you are put some sort of spin on it so its not as offensive or raunchy thats fine. That would be like someone putting up something like "Why do Black people eat chicken and watermelon all the time?" Im not a prude but I would find that offensive just like I find some of these sex threads offensive and you know im far from prude.....This country is screwed up about many things especially about sex and its place in society, but the org doesn't necessarily reflect that.....The threads that are being made are in bad taste...regardless of its content or if the maker meant well.....This isn't a sex site.....if someone has those types of questions there are places to post them so why do it here?
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Reply #17 posted 08/22/04 8:26am

kdowney

Sinister said:

kdowney said:




i disagree.... there have been some discussion from the chat that have been takn into the forums to ask quesitons..... also there have been a few that have been asked to change their avatars..... Sin come on U know we are prudes here and a lot of what is even on tv's and print in many other courntries is considered porn here..... there is nothing wrong with the human body.... but here its a no-no and if there is a lill of anything like n a movie it gets a R rateing.....


But chat discussions between you and your friends are fine.....but when you post a sex thread without thinking of who you may offend is not cool....Like I said if you are put some sort of spin on it so its not as offensive or raunchy thats fine. That would be like someone putting up something like "Why do Black people eat chicken and watermelon all the time?" Im not a prude but I would find that offensive just like I find some of these sex threads offensive and you know im far from prude.....This country is screwed up about many things especially about sex and its place in society, but the org doesn't necessarily reflect that.....The threads that are being made are in bad taste...regardless of its content or if the maker meant well.....This isn't a sex site.....if someone has those types of questions there are places to post them so why do it here?


U missed my point.... i am not just talkn bout here..... and its not just threads.... avatars that are n good taste have had to be taken down.... i was using the diveristy of the org community as an example of how many come here from all walks of life... yes a few have been a bit much but i have seen worse..... a lot is done is fun and humor ..... as like some of the posts U make and threads U have started ..... its not all serious.... but i am talking about that n the US its sad that we try to cover so much up ..... have U ever seen commercials and print adds from other countries????
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Reply #18 posted 08/22/04 8:29am

TheFrog

what is this "sex" you speak of? confuse
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Reply #19 posted 08/22/04 8:36am

Sinister

kdowney said:

Sinister said:



But chat discussions between you and your friends are fine.....but when you post a sex thread without thinking of who you may offend is not cool....Like I said if you are put some sort of spin on it so its not as offensive or raunchy thats fine. That would be like someone putting up something like "Why do Black people eat chicken and watermelon all the time?" Im not a prude but I would find that offensive just like I find some of these sex threads offensive and you know im far from prude.....This country is screwed up about many things especially about sex and its place in society, but the org doesn't necessarily reflect that.....The threads that are being made are in bad taste...regardless of its content or if the maker meant well.....This isn't a sex site.....if someone has those types of questions there are places to post them so why do it here?


U missed my point.... i am not just talkn bout here..... and its not just threads.... avatars that are n good taste have had to be taken down.... i was using the diveristy of the org community as an example of how many come here from all walks of life... yes a few have been a bit much but i have seen worse..... a lot is done is fun and humor ..... as like some of the posts U make and threads U have started ..... its not all serious.... but i am talking about that n the US its sad that we try to cover so much up ..... have U ever seen commercials and print adds from other countries????


The reason I think we are so gun shy about sex as a country is first we are the top Country in the world.....We believe we have a rep to uphold.....our country was built up from a lot of bad stuff internally and externally (slavery and such) We always wanted to show the image of a unified, dignified and patriotic country.....Its all about image.....we put emphasis on sex being wrong or being improper because we want the image of a family oreiented, patriotic group of people. Sex has no place in that image.....
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Reply #20 posted 08/22/04 8:41am

TheRealFiness

man the us has its hands over its eyes and says " oh how filthy.. Oh my that man is putting what where?.. OMG how nasty.. its not supposed to go there" i bet all those "tipper gore types" have no gag reflexes whatsoever lol
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Reply #21 posted 08/22/04 8:42am

kdowney

TheFrog said:

what is this "sex" you speak of? confuse


Stand up everybody, this is your life
Let me take u to another world, let me take u tonight
U don't need no money, u don't need no clothes
The Second Coming, anything goes
Sexuality is all u'll ever need
Sexuality -- let your body be free

C'mon everybody, yeah, this is your life
I'm talking about a revolution we gotta organize
We don't need no segregation, we don't need no race
New age revelation, I think we got a case

I'm OK as long as u are here with me
Sexuality is all we ever need

Reproduction of a new breed -- Leaders, Stand Up, Organize
Reproduction of a new breed -- Leaders, Stand Up, Organize
Reproduction of a new breed -- Leaders, Stand Up, Organize
Everybody...
Reproduction of a new breed -- Leaders, Stand Up, Organize
One time say...
Reproduction of a new breed -- Leaders, Stand Up, Organize
Reproduction of a new breed -- Leaders, Stand Up, Organize

We live in a world overrun by tourists
Tourists -- 89 flowers on their back...inventors of the Accu-jack
They look at life through a pocket camera... What? No flash again?
They're all a bunch of double drags who teach their kids that Love is bad
Half of the staff of their brain is on vacation
Mama, are u listening?
We need a new breed -- Leaders, Stand Up, Organize
Don't let your children watch television until they know how to read
Or else all they'll know how to do is cuss, fight and breed
No child is bad from the beginning... they only imitate their atmosphere
If they're in the company of tourists, alcohol and US history
What's to be expected is 3 minus 3... absolutely nothing

Stand Up, Organize
We need a new breed...Leaders, Stand Up, Organize
I wanna be in the new breed, Stand up, Organize
Sexuality is all I'll ever need
Sexuality, I'm gonna let my body be free
Sexuality is all I'll ever need
Sexuality, I'm gonna let my body be free
Sexuality
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Reply #22 posted 08/22/04 2:27pm

NoodleSoup

I have no idea. I've never had any 'relations' with an American.

I thought Brits were supposed to be prudes? hmmm
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Reply #23 posted 08/22/04 3:58pm

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

puritanical hang-ups that are still ingrained within society to this day. i don't get it, either--if sex and sexuality is so bad, then folks shouldn't be procreating anymore.

it's one thing the bastid-assed censor groups tend to forget: without sex, none of us would be here.



clapping Well said! worship
In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular.
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Reply #24 posted 08/22/04 6:46pm

toffee

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Sinister said:

kdowney said:



U missed my point.... i am not just talkn bout here..... and its not just threads.... avatars that are n good taste have had to be taken down.... i was using the diveristy of the org community as an example of how many come here from all walks of life... yes a few have been a bit much but i have seen worse..... a lot is done is fun and humor ..... as like some of the posts U make and threads U have started ..... its not all serious.... but i am talking about that n the US its sad that we try to cover so much up ..... have U ever seen commercials and print adds from other countries????


The reason I think we are so gun shy about sex as a country is first we are the top Country in the world.....We believe we have a rep to uphold.....our country was built up from a lot of bad stuff internally and externally (slavery and such) We always wanted to show the image of a unified, dignified and patriotic country.....Its all about image.....we put emphasis on sex being wrong or being improper because we want the image of a family oreiented, patriotic group of people. Sex has no place in that image.....




A family is conceived from ..... SEX batting eyes boff2 wink .....there is a place in that image! Ultimately the same "family" has to discuss and educate our own in that same sexual arena.... granted it's different than here...but this is an open forum and in being that.... the diversity is not limited. ..... Nonetheless, the fact remains.... a post need not offend anyone. If the topic title is something that you do not wish to read nor post a reply there are many many other threads you can choose. Ultimately, THIS COUNTRY ...boasts the right to freedom and one of those freedoms is that of speech. It's not for one to say that another should or should not post a topic.... but it's within that same persons right to opt not to click on it. That's just like saying ....seeing the burner on the stove turn red and touching it anyway ...and then complaining about getting burnt. If it's too hot...don't touch it.... or if you do and ultimately get burned... you take responsibility for any repercussion. My three year old gets that concept.... I think we as "adults" can control what we do or do not indulge in ..... it truly is a choice.
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Reply #25 posted 08/22/04 6:58pm

Sinister

toffee said:

Sinister said:



The reason I think we are so gun shy about sex as a country is first we are the top Country in the world.....We believe we have a rep to uphold.....our country was built up from a lot of bad stuff internally and externally (slavery and such) We always wanted to show the image of a unified, dignified and patriotic country.....Its all about image.....we put emphasis on sex being wrong or being improper because we want the image of a family oreiented, patriotic group of people. Sex has no place in that image.....




A family is conceived from ..... SEX batting eyes boff2 wink .....there is a place in that image! Ultimately the same "family" has to discuss and educate our own in that same sexual arena.... granted it's different than here...but this is an open forum and in being that.... the diversity is not limited. ..... Nonetheless, the fact remains.... a post need not offend anyone. If the topic title is something that you do not wish to read nor post a reply there are many many other threads you can choose. Ultimately, THIS COUNTRY ...boasts the right to freedom and one of those freedoms is that of speech. It's not for one to say that another should or should not post a topic.... but it's within that same persons right to opt not to click on it. That's just like saying ....seeing the burner on the stove turn red and touching it anyway ...and then complaining about getting burnt. If it's too hot...don't touch it.... or if you do and ultimately get burned... you take responsibility for any repercussion. My three year old gets that concept.... I think we as "adults" can control what we do or do not indulge in ..... it truly is a choice.


But the thing overlooked is the responsiblity of the person posting.....Its so easy to use "Oh we have freedom of speech" or "Don't open it if you don't like it" What about not posting it in the first place cause its wrong? Those are excuses to let the person who is posting the offensive material off the hook.....And yes you don't have to post on a offensive thread but you log on and come to the GD forum and see "Have you ever accidentally cummed down a girl's throat?" on a title of a thread well the title alone has offended someone.....How are you going to avoid that? You are going to see the title of it even if you don't click on it.....and if they make a misleading title then you click on it and see its something offensive then thats still bad too.....

The org is a community filled with people who care about what happens to this site and some of the people in it.....most have been coming here for years and others just recent. No one wants to come here and be offended and like anything else you want to try to treat others with respect and vice versa but there is nothing respectful about offending people just to get a rise out of them.
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Reply #26 posted 08/22/04 7:17pm

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Sinister said:

toffee said:





A family is conceived from ..... SEX batting eyes boff2 wink .....there is a place in that image! Ultimately the same "family" has to discuss and educate our own in that same sexual arena.... granted it's different than here...but this is an open forum and in being that.... the diversity is not limited. ..... Nonetheless, the fact remains.... a post need not offend anyone. If the topic title is something that you do not wish to read nor post a reply there are many many other threads you can choose. Ultimately, THIS COUNTRY ...boasts the right to freedom and one of those freedoms is that of speech. It's not for one to say that another should or should not post a topic.... but it's within that same persons right to opt not to click on it. That's just like saying ....seeing the burner on the stove turn red and touching it anyway ...and then complaining about getting burnt. If it's too hot...don't touch it.... or if you do and ultimately get burned... you take responsibility for any repercussion. My three year old gets that concept.... I think we as "adults" can control what we do or do not indulge in ..... it truly is a choice.


But the thing overlooked is the responsiblity of the person posting.....Its so easy to use "Oh we have freedom of speech" or "Don't open it if you don't like it" What about not posting it in the first place cause its wrong? Those are excuses to let the person who is posting the offensive material off the hook.....And yes you don't have to post on a offensive thread but you log on and come to the GD forum and see "Have you ever accidentally cummed down a girl's throat?" on a title of a thread well the title alone has offended someone.....How are you going to avoid that? You are going to see the title of it even if you don't click on it.....and if they make a misleading title then you click on it and see its something offensive then thats still bad too.....

The org is a community filled with people who care about what happens to this site and some of the people in it.....most have been coming here for years and others just recent. No one wants to come here and be offended and like anything else you want to try to treat others with respect and vice versa but there is nothing respectful about offending people just to get a rise out of them.



you can't avoid it if it comes up in the chat either... actually if the truth be told you are more apt to "HAVE" to read something in there than in here....

what's wrong in your eyes...may not be wrong in another and it's not your right to deem it inappropriate for everyone....you can only speak for yourself smile

none of the titles as of late that have raised all of the discussion have been misleading at all sin... yet if you check total posts .... well.... i really don't have to tell you again....

I'm not trying to argue, I'm just voicing my view, and ultimately those views are uncensored and non-dictated.... but if you see a post that is something in which you don't want to indulge...just don't indulge.

most of this is entertainment too sin.... and i'm sure you'll agree ....that varies from person to person.... some folks like porn...others are appalled...but the ones that are apalled...don't buy the movies...nor do they subscribe to the adult network.... so i guess what i'm sayin .... it still comes down to your choice to click the link and enter.
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Reply #27 posted 08/23/04 12:30am

Sinister

toffee said:

Sinister said:



But the thing overlooked is the responsiblity of the person posting.....Its so easy to use "Oh we have freedom of speech" or "Don't open it if you don't like it" What about not posting it in the first place cause its wrong? Those are excuses to let the person who is posting the offensive material off the hook.....And yes you don't have to post on a offensive thread but you log on and come to the GD forum and see "Have you ever accidentally cummed down a girl's throat?" on a title of a thread well the title alone has offended someone.....How are you going to avoid that? You are going to see the title of it even if you don't click on it.....and if they make a misleading title then you click on it and see its something offensive then thats still bad too.....

The org is a community filled with people who care about what happens to this site and some of the people in it.....most have been coming here for years and others just recent. No one wants to come here and be offended and like anything else you want to try to treat others with respect and vice versa but there is nothing respectful about offending people just to get a rise out of them.



you can't avoid it if it comes up in the chat either... actually if the truth be told you are more apt to "HAVE" to read something in there than in here....

what's wrong in your eyes...may not be wrong in another and it's not your right to deem it inappropriate for everyone....you can only speak for yourself smile

none of the titles as of late that have raised all of the discussion have been misleading at all sin... yet if you check total posts .... well.... i really don't have to tell you again....

I'm not trying to argue, I'm just voicing my view, and ultimately those views are uncensored and non-dictated.... but if you see a post that is something in which you don't want to indulge...just don't indulge.

most of this is entertainment too sin.... and i'm sure you'll agree ....that varies from person to person.... some folks like porn...others are appalled...but the ones that are apalled...don't buy the movies...nor do they subscribe to the adult network.... so i guess what i'm sayin .... it still comes down to your choice to click the link and enter.


I understand your point but there are those who make threads for the "sole purpose" of offending and irritating others.....to see people riled and offended to draw attention to themselves.....I KNOW I have offended someone in my time here as have others but it was not my intent too and most can see that.....Sex threads are not uncommon but the difference is some are sex threads that offer you to join in the topic and the offensive ones do just that offend and get a rise outta people.....No none of them yet have been misleading but still done in poor taste....Like I said earlier people don't mind threads about ANYTHING here as long as its ginuine and done in somewhat good taste.....I agree with you most of this stuff is just entertainment but so is KKK bowling.....Does that make it any less offensive? Im just saying there is a fine line between entertaining and tacky and tacky seems to be the norm of late.....Like it or not many people take things said here personally and literally most of the people who post consistantly here know that and know where the line is so they don't cross it.....
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Reply #28 posted 08/23/04 12:55am

subhuman09



I have no idea what you're talking about.


Actually-I've always wondered that myself. We grow up exposed to violence, so we're desensitized to gore, but when a nipple pops out on TV all hell breaks loose.

I have a sneaking suspicion it goes back to the Puritans-England was too wild so they came here to start a cleaner and safer life, with buckles on their heads mind you. I worry sometimes we're heading too far back in that direction-sometimes buttons need to be pushed and I for one, am more bothered by the evening news reports of things actually happening in this country and the world than if someone exposes something that is a little more natural-regardless of whether it was the right time, which it wasn't.

I've heard it's the reverse in Europe, where sexuality is common place but violence is a taboo. I wonder if years of repression in who we are and how we express ourselves has only made the divorces higher, and the therapy bills more common. Who knows?

I love America, I'm proud to live here-but I think it's odd we're taught in general to be ashamed of our bodies (some, like myself, have more open minded parents thankfully) but it's common places to have violence go on.

It's not every American, and depends on where you visit-in the Bible Belt (South, where I'm from) it's more common, but hopefully people will grow more open-minded and learn things for themselves and their own rules instead of being afraid to learn outside their own world.

Just a thought. cool
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I just mastubated but I couldn't come. Would you help me? eek


You should go here; http://www.prince.org/msg/100/111237
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