Smoking while Pregnant? Definately.

we don't know what she's drinking so benefit of the doubt there. But the smoking thing, not good.

loveJONES said:

yeah, she should be ashamed of herself!

Is she pregnant, or over weight?

I smoke, but I don't like to see a pregnant woman smoke... Do drugs, anything that might harm that human life inside of them. In fact I will not smoke around them.

My mom's neighbor is raising her Granddaughter. She is 1 years old, and a crackbaby..

I truly tears up my soul..


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[This message was edited Tue Aug 17 15:44:35 2004 by sag10]

Not where I live.

If maternal smoking during pregnancy has long-term effects on children's behavior and health than surely the answer is yes.

Personally i hate to see pregnant women drinking alcohol and smoking, But to call it child abuse is silly.

she is not intentionally smoking to harm her baby, she is smoking because she is an addict and with out enough support it is very hard to give up an addiction. We should never judge people as we don't know there circumstances and what led them to behave the way they do.

And in the same line of thought is it child abuse to take your children to a public place where smoke is in the air?

children/babies are exposed to smoke, and with the best intention in the world you can't always prevent them from passive smoking.

ohhh and before people think i think it's ok for kids to passive smoke i don't

I've never smoked in my life, I just think people judge to easy without thinking of the whys

lollyp0p said:

The voice of reason

lollyp0p said:

Yes and I'm playing devil's advocate here, surely the effects on the child's health would be the same if you smoke whilst pregnant as opposed to sticking a lit fag in the child's mouth?!

lollyp0p said:

Yep!... Supprt, Education a better lifestyle maybe and a bit o' understanding...

....It would at least be a start if not the whole solution.

JDINTERACTIVE said:

it is worse than passive smoking but.....

what i am getting at is smoking is not somthing she is doing to hurt her child, she is doing it cause she has an addiction.

we should not judge her by saying it is child abuse, without education in the effects of smoking while pregnant and the right support mechanisms it is too hard to give up

especially with all the worry and stress involved with expecting a child

lollyp0p said:

I agree with you in the sense that she isn't smoking to deliberatly hurt the child. But I don't think education in the effects of smoking would help much. The negatives of it are pretty much self explanatory. You wouldn't of thought that I smoke would you?!

JDINTERACTIVE said:

Smoking is bad for your semen, JD.

JDINTERACTIVE said:

lol ermmmm....

To be honest you'd be suprised the amount of people who don't know that the chemicals you inhale through smoking can directly cross the placenter and stunt the growth of an unborn child and deprive the child of oxygen.

we assume everyone is educated to a certain standard and this is why people fall through the net. We don't provide the information cause we think it is common sense, but there are unfortunate people who are not lucky enough to have even a basic education.

these people lower done the socal scale are also the people more likely to be smoking. smoking is decreasing in the upper social economic groups unfortunatly this trend is not mirrored in all socal classes.

This is my first EVER serious thread contribution



and it's only taken me 956 posts to say something serious hmmmmm

J0eyC0c0 said:

I know, I know.

JDINTERACTIVE said:

How is it effected?

DiminutiveRocker said:

sperm quality decreases they can mutate, have poor mobility and decrease the sperm count

lollyp0p said:

yikes!

DiminutiveRocker said:

Smoking can have adverse effect on semen quality, and may consequently cause a reduction in male fertility, research confirms.

"Many studies have suggested that cigarette smoking is associated with altered semen quality, but conclusions about the extent of the deleterious effects vary widely," write Dr. Nick Bersinger (University of Berne, Switzerland) and co-authors. Postulating small study sizes and differences in the thresholds used to define smokers and non-smokers could explain this variation, the researchers studied a large group of men in whom the definition of "smokers" was strict (1 or more cigarette per day).

The study included 655 smoking and 1,131 non-smoking men, who completed a questionnaire including questions on age, alcohol use, and reproductive history. Semen samples were collected for analysis from each participant.

Cigarette smoking was associated with a significant decrease in sperm density, sperm count, number of motile sperm, and citrate concentration. Sperm morphology was also adversely affected by smoking.

The researchers conclude that, while sperm variables in smokers may remain in the normal range, a "clear negative trend is observed." Accordingly, "men with borderline semen quality who wish to have children should especially benefit from quitting smoking," they suggest.

Source: Fertility and Sterility 2003; 79: 287-91, 3 March 2003

I a related note, I was in Vegas a couple weeks ago and a mother carrying a baby came up to my group and asked for a light. My friend gave her one and she proceeded to smoke with her kid's head right under her chin! I couldn't believe it - terrible!

nesseone said:

yes she should!
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sag10 said:

she's either a major heffa or a heffa carrying a mini heffa

J0eyC0c0 said:

so is Mountain Dew....Drink Up.



jk

I wouldn't Smoke or Drink while Pregnant. I would take Care of myself for the Sake of my child.

I tried to quit smoking while I was pregnant but I couldnt. My doctor said not to stress about it and just cut down as much as I could, so thats what I did. I actually had a craving for cigarettes for aboout a month but only Newports and thats not what I usually smoked. Of course I also craved sand and bathroom cleanser!

PEJ said:

be nice Pej!!

JDINTERACTIVE said:

IF SHE KNOW SMOKE HURT BABY

OH WHAT THEY CALL THAT ON LAW AND ORDER

DEPRAVED INDIFFERENCE

Looks as if she is drinking alcohol too and smoking. Yeah most definately

well, since the health hazards have already been addressed so nicely by lolly, might i add that i hope she hasn't been doing this throughout her pregnancy (without even getting into what smoking will do to a newborn)...

but let's say we give her the benefit of the doubt:

maybe she's totally she's frustrated at being in her last month (it's a rough one, believe me) and just can't take it anymore. maybe she's hoping a slightly hostile environment will motivate him to push himself on out! or maybe she just doesn't give a damn anymore...

people get desperate in that last month, especially on moving into a 10th month (which happens in almost 1/2 of pregnancies). some jump, go on bouncy car rides and do other crazy things that will go unmentioned in order to get that baby out...

or perhaps she's getting really stressed, and is trying to calm herself down by going back to an old habit. and hopefully not seriously inhaling! but really... maternal stress has a bad effect on babies too.