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Thread started 08/11/04 9:51am

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Rapist scoops £7m on Lotto Extra

WTF??? mad





A man serving a life sentence for attempted rape has won £7m on the National Lottery.
Iorworth Hoare, 52, was on release from Leyhill open prison in Gloucestershire when he bought his winning ticket for Saturday's Lotto Extra draw.

He is understood to have been staying at a bail hostel in Middlesbrough.

Hoare, who has a history of previous sex crimes, including rape, was one of three winners to share Saturday's £21m Lotto Extra jackpot.

Under Home Office guidelines, prisoners on temporary release from jail are allowed to play the lottery and can claim a winning prize.

But the government department also said the prisoner's access to the money would be restricted while he was in custody.


Tory leader Michael Howard said there seemed to be "something very odd in the arrangements" that allowed prisoners to play the lottery.

"Prisoners are not allowed to do the football pools, they are not allowed to buy premium bonds but they are allowed to buy lottery tickets. That doesn't seem to make sense," Mr Howard said.



Hoare, originally from Leeds, is nearing the end of his life sentence after being jailed in 1989 for attempted rape.




He was also jailed several times for a string of sex attacks during the 1970s and 1980s. He received a seven-year sentence for rape in 1983.

Experts believe that Hoare could now be forced to pay compensation to his victims.

Dr Ian Edwards, lecturer in criminal law at the University of East Anglia, says victims are entitled to sue for any loss or harm they have suffered from their attacker.

He said: "The question usually is whether it's worth suing, because an offender may not have any money.

"I have heard of cases where victims of sex attackers have successfully sued their attacker."

But Dr Edwards, who specialises in victims' rights, said he had never heard of a case where an offender has suddenly become very wealthy.


Julie Bindel, a feminist writer and campaigner on violence against women, said Hoare should give the money to rape victims' support groups.

"He has made a dreadful impact on somebody's life and he should show he has seen the errors of his ways," she said.


Hoare's brother Rhys Owen, a hospital night porter, said he hoped the money would keep his brother away from crime.

"I'm not going begging for any money. Hopefully he will sort himself out with his money and it will keep him on the straight and narrow," he said.

Mr Owen, who has rarely seen his brother in 20 years, said he was sorry that Hoare's victims would have to suffer his crimes being "raked up again".

He said: "One of the victims was 60 and she must be in her 80s now if she's still alive. "It must be hard for her having to read all this again. What my brother did was inexcusable."
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Reply #1 posted 08/11/04 9:55am

ella731

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omg I am not sure what to say about that one
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Reply #2 posted 08/11/04 9:55am

kendogg

Why is it that good things...like winning the lottery, never seem to happen to those who deserve it?

I mean it really seems like the breaks usually happen to the assholes of the world sometimes.... doesn't it?
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Reply #3 posted 08/11/04 9:57am

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kendogg said:

Why is it that good things...like winning the lottery, never seem to happen to those who deserve it?

I mean it really seems like the breaks usually happen to the assholes of the world sometimes.... doesn't it?



Yes. sad

And I bet he never uses the money well..
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Reply #4 posted 08/11/04 10:13am

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They say that a lottery win is random, and you don't get much more random than that! Maybe he will use it to start a better life for himself when he gets out.....you'd hope.
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Reply #5 posted 08/11/04 10:16am

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thats just sad !!!

the world isnt fair sometimes.... disbelief

they should take his winnings, and pass them out to those poor women that he attacked - the sick bastard !


how much money is that anyway ?
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Reply #6 posted 08/11/04 11:08am

katt

sad sad world we live in, ppl starving, ppl with no homes, and a man likes this wins that, turns my tum barf

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Reply #7 posted 08/11/04 12:00pm

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nakedpianoplayer said:

how much money is that anyway ?

well it's 7,000,000 pounds, but in US dollars it's $12,804,725.30. The pound is extremely strong right now, and the dollar sucks ass, which is why the value almost doubles in American money.
I mean, like, where is the sun?
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Reply #8 posted 08/12/04 8:02am

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katt said:

sad sad world we live in, ppl starving, ppl with no homes, and a man likes this wins that, turns my tum barf

Hi red hug



Hi katt hug
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Reply #9 posted 08/12/04 8:08am

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I just hope that his victims sue his ass and take every dime!!! There's a way good could come out of all of this!!

By the way, how do you get to the end of a "life sentence" started in 1989? Shouldn't a life sentence last, oh, for life????
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Reply #10 posted 08/12/04 8:12am

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JediMaster said:

I just hope that his victims sue his ass and take every dime!!! There's a way good could come out of all of this!!

By the way, how do you get to the end of a "life sentence" started in 1989? Shouldn't a life sentence last, oh, for life????



Not in the UK sigh
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Reply #11 posted 08/12/04 8:13am

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REDFEATHERS said:

JediMaster said:

I just hope that his victims sue his ass and take every dime!!! There's a way good could come out of all of this!!

By the way, how do you get to the end of a "life sentence" started in 1989? Shouldn't a life sentence last, oh, for life????



Not in the UK sigh


Okay, so why do they call it a "life sentence"? I'm really not understanding.
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Reply #12 posted 08/12/04 8:21am

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JediMaster said:

REDFEATHERS said:




Not in the UK sigh


Okay, so why do they call it a "life sentence"? I'm really not understanding.


sometimes a life sentence means that a prisoner can be detained until death. more commonly, a "life sentence" provides discretion such that it is possible for earlier release, depending on many, many complicated factors including the recommendation of the trial judge and the parole board. so more usually, it's a prima facie label, rather than a literal sentence. however, where the case is particularly severe, life may well mean life.

it's complicated.
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Reply #13 posted 08/12/04 8:29am

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This is disgusting.. I hope right after he gets that check in his hand and goes and cashes it and decides to bring it all home, someone robs his ass blind! Mo FO should get a god damn dime!
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Reply #14 posted 08/12/04 8:34am

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BabyCakes said:

This is disgusting.. I hope right after he gets that check in his hand and goes and cashes it and decides to bring it all home, someone robs his ass blind! Mo FO should get a god damn dime!



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Sad as though it is, it prolly wont happen...
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Reply #15 posted 08/12/04 8:39am

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Nocturnal said:

JediMaster said:



Okay, so why do they call it a "life sentence"? I'm really not understanding.


sometimes a life sentence means that a prisoner can be detained until death. more commonly, a "life sentence" provides discretion such that it is possible for earlier release, depending on many, many complicated factors including the recommendation of the trial judge and the parole board. so more usually, it's a prima facie label, rather than a literal sentence. however, where the case is particularly severe, life may well mean life.

it's complicated.



It's F@*^@#G Stupid and Disgusting.....

.....this ...Entity should give the money to his victims....they had no luck at his hands!
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Reply #16 posted 08/12/04 9:12am

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Just heard on the news, they are gonna change the law, so criminals cannot play the lottery. I dont yet know if they are going to step in so that this guy cannot claim his prize money pray I do hope so, and I hope the money goes to Rape victims, and/or HIS victims... nod
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Reply #17 posted 08/12/04 9:13am

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mad
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Reply #18 posted 08/12/04 9:22am

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Natsume said:

nakedpianoplayer said:

how much money is that anyway ?

well it's 7,000,000 pounds, but in US dollars it's $12,804,725.30. The pound is extremely strong right now, and the dollar sucks ass, which is why the value almost doubles in American money.

wow !

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Reply #19 posted 08/12/04 9:32am

J0eyC0c0

REDFEATHERS said:

Just heard on the news, they are gonna change the law, so criminals cannot play the lottery. I dont yet know if they are going to step in so that this guy cannot claim his prize money pray I do hope so, and I hope the money goes to Rape victims, and/or HIS victims... nod


In all honesty I think it's ridiculous. Let him have his fucking money. As long as he's in prison it's not doing him any good anyway not to mention I find it extremely sad that once again everything seems to be about money. I'd have a lot of respect for the woman who does not go after his money. But that's just my opinion.
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Reply #20 posted 08/12/04 9:34am

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J0eyC0c0 said:

REDFEATHERS said:

Just heard on the news, they are gonna change the law, so criminals cannot play the lottery. I dont yet know if they are going to step in so that this guy cannot claim his prize money pray I do hope so, and I hope the money goes to Rape victims, and/or HIS victims... nod


In all honesty I think it's ridiculous. Let him have his fucking money. As long as he's in prison it's not doing him any good anyway not to mention I find it extremely sad that once again everything seems to be about money. I'd have a lot of respect for the woman who does not go after his money. But that's just my opinion.



Yeah but when he gets out of prison, he is just gonna use it and abuse it... he will buy himself into shit and buy himself out of it, right?
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Reply #21 posted 08/12/04 9:36am

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REDFEATHERS said:

J0eyC0c0 said:



In all honesty I think it's ridiculous. Let him have his fucking money. As long as he's in prison it's not doing him any good anyway not to mention I find it extremely sad that once again everything seems to be about money. I'd have a lot of respect for the woman who does not go after his money. But that's just my opinion.



Yeah but when he gets out of prison, he is just gonna use it and abuse it... he will buy himself into shit and buy himself out of it, right?


And if he gets out eventually he will rape again, regardless of how much money he has.
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Reply #22 posted 08/12/04 9:38am

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J0eyC0c0 said:

REDFEATHERS said:




Yeah but when he gets out of prison, he is just gonna use it and abuse it... he will buy himself into shit and buy himself out of it, right?


And if he gets out eventually he will rape again, regardless of how much money he has.



Yes. But criminals shouldnt be allowed to play the lottery, dont you think?

OR, they can play the lottery, but they cant claim their prize evillol
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Reply #23 posted 08/12/04 9:38am

HollowellSA

again all I can say is mad
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Reply #24 posted 08/12/04 10:46am

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REDFEATHERS said:

Just heard on the news, they are gonna change the law, so criminals cannot play the lottery. I dont yet know if they are going to step in so that this guy cannot claim his prize money pray I do hope so, and I hope the money goes to Rape victims, and/or HIS victims... nod


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Reply #25 posted 08/12/04 11:16am

J0eyC0c0

REDFEATHERS said:

J0eyC0c0 said:



And if he gets out eventually he will rape again, regardless of how much money he has.



Yes. But criminals shouldnt be allowed to play the lottery, dont you think?

OR, they can play the lottery, but they cant claim their prize evillol


Yes, but then what would your definition of a criminal be? Is a criminal someone who has been convicted for a crime a criminal for the rest of his life? Is someone who has spent most of his life in jail, but free after serving his last sentence not a criminal anymore? How would you feel if a (serial) rapist after serving time bought a ticket and won the lottery. Would that be OK? After all, by law he would be considered a free man.
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Reply #26 posted 08/12/04 10:16pm

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Sad and unfair that a complete asshole won....but who cares? The Lottery *is* random. It could've been anybody.
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Reply #27 posted 08/12/04 10:54pm

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Now that's one serious Mammajamma! :money: <- will this emoticon ever manifest? neutral

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Reply #28 posted 08/13/04 1:17am

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In Texas he'd still be locked up or probably thrown to the chair already. Apparently they have jails that need to be filled. eek

That's not a life sentence. Even if he's "reformed", it's still not enough time to have served for a sentence.

His victims should sue him for it all, or at least donate it to rape crisis lines.

And most of all-change the damn law. neutral

If nothing else, the public should be able to spread the wealth of a convict. confused
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Reply #29 posted 08/13/04 1:18am

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J0eyC0c0 said:

REDFEATHERS said:




Yes. But criminals shouldnt be allowed to play the lottery, dont you think?

OR, they can play the lottery, but they cant claim their prize evillol


Yes, but then what would your definition of a criminal be? Is a criminal someone who has been convicted for a crime a criminal for the rest of his life? Is someone who has spent most of his life in jail, but free after serving his last sentence not a criminal anymore? How would you feel if a (serial) rapist after serving time bought a ticket and won the lottery. Would that be OK? After all, by law he would be considered a free man.



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