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PrintableBorisFishpaw said: JediMaster said: Actually, all of that is consistent with the EU. The whole thing with the Sith being a specific race, who became power-hungry and tried to take over the galaxy, is in the EU continuity. The Sith were a race of force users who turned to the Dark Side and tried to conquer the galaxy. The Jedi took them on, and wound up pretty much eradicating them in the process (this was actually more due to the fact that the Sith were determined to take the galaxy at all cost). The "Dark Jedi" who split from the order took the Sith name because they had adopted their philosphies (think of them as being much like Neo-Nazis. They used their name and philosophies, regardless of whether or not they were German) Very interesting. I'll definitely have to look into the expanded universe further, as it seems to not be in contradiction with what I've heard about the final trilogy (which I'd always asumed it would be). I wish Lucas would change his mind about Episodes VII-IX. It would be great see Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill return to their characters again, even if they are little more than glorified cameos (apart from Luke, who plays a big part in the final 2). Part of the problem may be Harrison Ford. He has said numerous times that he has no desire to play Han Solo again (which I just don't get. I mean, here is one of the coolest characters in the whole friggin' saga, and he has a burr up his butt about playing him again. C'mon dude! You're HAN FRIGGIN' SOLO!!!). I think most fans would rather not see a final trilogy if Han was removed from the story. Just a theory. 
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BorisFishpaw said: JediMaster said: Well, last time out the teaser DIDN'T appear on a Fox movie! It was attached to the Pixar flick Monster's Inc! Isn't The Incredibles from Pixar due around then???? I've also heard great things about the opening, as well as the Anakin vs Obi-Wan Saber duel, which is suppossed to be the longest swordfight ever on film!!! I think you're right! Sounds like The Incredibles is a pretty good bet. That would be incredibly cool, especially since I will be taking the kiddos to see it anyway!!
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SACRELIGOUS!!
Stone him!! 
JediMaster said: I know his good buddy Speilberg wanted to do one of the prequels, but was pretty much shot down (not that that is a bad thing. All I have to do is watch "AI" or "Minority Report" to know that Steveo can't do Sci-Fi anymore). M.2.K
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JediMaster said: BorisFishpaw said: Very interesting. I'll definitely have to look into the expanded universe further, as it seems to not be in contradiction with what I've heard about the final trilogy (which I'd always asumed it would be). I wish Lucas would change his mind about Episodes VII-IX. It would be great see Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill return to their characters again, even if they are little more than glorified cameos (apart from Luke, who plays a big part in the final 2). Part of the problem may be Harrison Ford. He has said numerous times that he has no desire to play Han Solo again (which I just don't get. I mean, here is one of the coolest characters in the whole friggin' saga, and he has a burr up his butt about playing him again. C'mon dude! You're HAN FRIGGIN' SOLO!!!). I think most fans would rather not see a final trilogy if Han was removed from the story. Just a theory. That's a shame. He wouldn't really have to do much in the final trilogy anyway as Jacen and Jaina take centre stage. Han and Leia are mainly more 'background' characters, like Yoda or Mace. Though Luke does play a bigger part. | |
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papaa said: SACRELIGOUS!!
Stone him!!
JediMaster said: I know his good buddy Speilberg wanted to do one of the prequels, but was pretty much shot down (not that that is a bad thing. All I have to do is watch "AI" or "Minority Report" to know that Steveo can't do Sci-Fi anymore). Those movies were two of the worst excuses for sci-fi I've ever seen. "AI" was Spielberg trying desperately to do Kubrick, and failing horribly. NONE of the characters were even remotely likeable, and the story was so incredibly sappy (which I don't believe for a minute was the angle Kubrick intended to put on it) it made me wanna puke. Two hours in I wanted to cry, not because the film moved me, but because the horrible thing hadn't ended (and didn't for almost another hour). That's time I'll never get back, dammit! As for "Minority Report", it was yet another dull-ass film that copped Blade Runner (poorly). Even if you get past the plot holes that are big enough to drive a mack truck through, it still was a dull film without a shred of originality. 
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BorisFishpaw said: JediMaster said: Part of the problem may be Harrison Ford. He has said numerous times that he has no desire to play Han Solo again (which I just don't get. I mean, here is one of the coolest characters in the whole friggin' saga, and he has a burr up his butt about playing him again. C'mon dude! You're HAN FRIGGIN' SOLO!!!). I think most fans would rather not see a final trilogy if Han was removed from the story. Just a theory. That's a shame. He wouldn't really have to do much in the final trilogy anyway as Jacen and Jaina take centre stage. Han and Leia are mainly more 'background' characters, like Yoda or Mace. Though Luke does play a bigger part. Yeah, it is a real shame. To not have Han at least make an appearance would just be wrong. In that regard, maybe it is better to have them just be novels.
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Oh, and back to ROTS, how cool is it that we finally get to see Kashyyk?? (I know it appeared on the "Star Wars Holiday Special" but that hardly counts).
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JediMaster said: Oh, and back to ROTS, how cool is it that we finally get to see Kashyyk?? (I know it appeared on the "Star Wars Holiday Special" but that hardly counts).
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teller said: JediMaster said: Oh, and back to ROTS, how cool is it that we finally get to see Kashyyk?? (I know it appeared on the "Star Wars Holiday Special" but that hardly counts).
That holiday special was horrible!!! I watched it a couple of years ago...for the first time since it originally aired!! Oh lawd, was it craptacular!! Now I know why Lucas said if he had enough time and a hammer, he would destroy every copy on the planet!!!
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JediMaster said: teller said: That holiday special was horrible!!! I watched it a couple of years ago...for the first time since it originally aired!! Oh lawd, was it craptacular!! Now I know why Lucas said if he had enough time and a hammer, he would destroy every copy on the planet!!! I have the thing on videotape with all the original commercials.  "Look for the Union label..." | |
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JediMaster said: teller said: That holiday special was horrible!!! I watched it a couple of years ago...for the first time since it originally aired!! Oh lawd, was it craptacular!! Now I know why Lucas said if he had enough time and a hammer, he would destroy every copy on the planet!!! Good lord...Princess Leia singing the Star Wars theme?! 
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teller said: JediMaster said: I watched it a couple of years ago...for the first time since it originally aired!! Oh lawd, was it craptacular!! Now I know why Lucas said if he had enough time and a hammer, he would destroy every copy on the planet!!! Good lord...Princess Leia singing the Star Wars theme?!
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Yeah, the infamous "Holiday Special" is George Lucas' very own "Laughing Gnome". | |
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You just gotta love Luke wearing all that damned eye shadow!!! Or the long drawn out scenes of Wookies talking...in Wookie!! Or that guy from The Carol Burnett Show as a four-armed alien woman!!!
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JediMaster said: teller said: Wait a minute...if he's part ysalamiri, then how can he be a Sith at all? Wouldn't he jam the force from himself? 
Grievous isn't a Sith. He's a cybernetic/organic hybrid, created to lead the droid army for Dooku. His main design is the execution of Jedi Oh, and I thought the Zahn books were horrible. Totally agree! I think they are INCREDIBLY overrated. About the only thing I like about them is that they introduced the character of Mara Jade. I really think the only reason they got the attention they did was due to the fact that they were the first foray back into the SW universe in many years. Fan boys and girls latched on, simply because they had been craving new SW stories so bad. i resent that! i liked those books very much! | |
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JediMaster said: You just gotta love Luke wearing all that damned eye shadow!!! Or the long drawn out scenes of Wookies talking...in Wookie!! Or that guy from The Carol Burnett Show as a four-armed alien woman!!!
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PlanetMe said: JediMaster said: i resent that! i liked those books very much! Sorry. I didn't mean to offend. I just thought they were chocked-full of really dumb things (Luke's Clone? Too silly)
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JediMaster said: PlanetMe said: i resent that! i liked those books very much! Sorry. I didn't mean to offend. I just thought they were chocked-full of really dumb things (Luke's Clone? Too silly) WHAT ABOUT EMPEROR CLONE? IT IN DARK EMPIRE THAT GOOD SERIES POOK STILL HAVE SOME FIRST PRINTING P o o |/, P o o |\ |
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JediMaster said: PlanetMe said: i resent that! i liked those books very much! Sorry. I didn't mean to offend. I just thought they were chocked-full of really dumb things (Luke's Clone? Too silly) they may not be the best books in the story, but i still liked them a lot. i read survivor's quest this weekend (also by zahn) and i thought it was rivetting. i reading vector prime right now. i can't put it down! i can't believe chewie died! (i was a little behind on my reading, as you can tell.) i actually cried. it was so sad. | |
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fantasyislander said: JediMaster said: Sorry. I didn't mean to offend. I just thought they were chocked-full of really dumb things (Luke's Clone? Too silly) they may not be the best books in the story, but i still liked them a lot. i read survivor's quest this weekend (also by zahn) and i thought it was rivetting. i reading vector prime right now. i can't put it down! i can't believe chewie died! (i was a little behind on my reading, as you can tell.) i actually cried. it was so sad. I really enjoyed the whole New Jedi Order series quite a bit. If you plan on reading that whole story arc, also pick up Rogue Planet, as it ties in with the NJO books.
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POOK said: JediMaster said: Sorry. I didn't mean to offend. I just thought they were chocked-full of really dumb things (Luke's Clone? Too silly) WHAT ABOUT EMPEROR CLONE? IT IN DARK EMPIRE THAT GOOD SERIES POOK STILL HAVE SOME FIRST PRINTING I liked some aspects of Dark Empire, but there were a few things that bugged me about it. My biggest issue with that whole thing was how powerful Palpatine seemed. If he'd been half that powerful during ROTJ, the rebels would have been crushed fairly easily. I did like Leia using her Jedi abilities to the extent she did. I've always felt they should have done much more with that. The subsequent books almost completely ignored that, preferring to make her a diplomat instead ( ).
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JediMaster said: fantasyislander said: they may not be the best books in the story, but i still liked them a lot. i read survivor's quest this weekend (also by zahn) and i thought it was rivetting. i reading vector prime right now. i can't put it down! i can't believe chewie died! (i was a little behind on my reading, as you can tell.) i actually cried. it was so sad. I really enjoyed the whole New Jedi Order series quite a bit. If you plan on reading that whole story arc, also pick up Rogue Planet, as it ties in with the NJO books. so i'm a little bit confused now. which book comes next? at the end of vector prime it says that Hero's Trial is next, but on a source at a website it said that the Dark Tide series was after Vector Prime. so which order is it in? Rogue Planet is a good one? when does that happen? who is the author? i'm so excited to be getting back into the SW books!! i wish i could read them all today!! | |
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JediMaster said: POOK said: WHAT ABOUT EMPEROR CLONE? IT IN DARK EMPIRE THAT GOOD SERIES POOK STILL HAVE SOME FIRST PRINTING I liked some aspects of Dark Empire, but there were a few things that bugged me about it. My biggest issue with that whole thing was how powerful Palpatine seemed. If he'd been half that powerful during ROTJ, the rebels would have been crushed fairly easily. I did like Leia using her Jedi abilities to the extent she did. I've always felt they should have done much more with that. The subsequent books almost completely ignored that, preferring to make her a diplomat instead ( ).Dark Empire! i loved that comic! unfortunately, that was the only one i ever read. does anyone have the others they'd let me borrow?  (unabashed flirting)
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fantasyislander said: JediMaster said: I really enjoyed the whole New Jedi Order series quite a bit. If you plan on reading that whole story arc, also pick up Rogue Planet, as it ties in with the NJO books. so i'm a little bit confused now. which book comes next? at the end of vector prime it says that Hero's Trial is next, but on a source at a website it said that the Dark Tide series was after Vector Prime. so which order is it in? Rogue Planet is a good one? when does that happen? who is the author? i'm so excited to be getting back into the SW books!! i wish i could read them all today!! Rogue Planet is so-so, but some important things that occur in it that tie in with events in the NJO books. Here's the complete Star Wars chronology, to date, of the novels (does not include the comics or the young reader series): Cloak of Deception by James Luceno Darth Maul - Shadow Hunter by Michael Reaves Star Wars I: The Phantom Menace Rogue Planet by Greg Bear The Approaching Storm by Alan Dean Foster Star Wars II: Attack of the Clones Shatterpoint by Matthew Stover The Cestus Deception by Steven Barnes Medstar I - Battle Surgeons by Michael Reaves and Steve Perry Star Wars III: Revenge of the Sith The Han Solo Trilogy by A.C. Crispin: The Paradise Snare The Hutt Gambit Rebel Dawn The Lando Calrissian Adventures by L. Neil Smith: Lando Calrissian and the Mindharp of Sharu Lando Calrissian and the Flamewind of Oseon Lando Calrissian and the Starcave of ThonBoka The Han Solo Adventures by Brian Daley: Han Solo at Star's End Han Solo's Revenge Han Solo and the Lost Legacy Star Wars IV: A New Hope Splinter of the Mind's Eye by Alan Dean Foster The Ruins Of Dantooine by Voronica Whitney-Robinson with Haden Blackman The Bounty Hunter Wars by K.W. Jeter: The Mandalorian Armor Slave Ship Hard Merchandise Star Wars V: The Empire Strikes Back Shadows of the Empire by Steve Perry Star Wars VI: Return of the Jedi The Truce At Bakura by Kathy Tyers X-Wing, Series I by Michael A. Stackpole: Rogue Squadron Wedge's Gamble The Krytos Trap The Bacta War X-Wing, Series II by Aaron Allston: Wraith Squadron Iron Fist Solo Command The Courtship of Princess Leia by Dave Wolverton Tatooine Ghost by Troy Denning The Thrawn Trilogy by Timothy Zahn: Heir to the Empire Dark Force Rising The Last Command X-Wing, Series III by Michael A. Stackpole: Isard's Revenge The Jedi Academy Trilogy by Kevin J. Anderson: Jedi Search Dark Apprentice Champions of the Force I, Jedi by Michael A. Stackpole X-Wing, Series IV by Aaron Allston: Starfighters of Adumar Children of the Jediby Barbara Hambly Darksaber by Kevin J. Anderson Planet of Twilight by Barbara Hambly The Crystal Star[/u] by Vonda N. McIntyre Black Fleet Crisis Trilogy by Michael P. Kube-McDowell: Before the Storm Shield of Lies Tyrant's Test The New Rebellion by Kristine Kathryn Rusch The Corellian Trilogy by Roger MacBride Allen: Ambush at Corellia Assault at Selonia Showdown at Centerpoint The Hand of Thrawn Duology by Timothy Zahn: Specter of the Past Vision of the Future Survivor's Quest by Timothy Zahn New Jedi Order: Vector Prime by R.A. Salvatore Dark Tide I - Onslaught by Michael A. Stackpole Dark Tide II - Ruin by Michael A. Stackpole Agents of Chaos I - Hero's Trial by James Luceno Agents of Chaos II - Jedi Eclipse by James Luceno Balance Point by Kathy Tyers Recovery by Troy Denning (e book) Edge of Victory I - Conquest by Greg Keyes Edge of Victory II - Rebirth by Greg Keyes Star by Star by Troy Denning Dark Journey by Elaine Cunningham Enemy Lines I - Rebel Dream by Aaron Allston Enemy Lines II - Rebel Stand by Aaron Allston Traitor by Matthew Stover Ylesia by Walter Jon Williams (e book) Destiny's Way by Walter Jon Williams Force Heretic I -Remnant by Sean Williams and Shane Dix Force Heretic II - Refugee by Sean Williams and Shane Dix Force Heretic III - Reunion by Sean Williams and Shane Dix The Final Prophecy by Greg Keyes The Unifying Force by James Luceno ----- [This message was edited Tue Aug 10 8:31:31 2004 by JediMaster]
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thanks JediMaster!
so, the Dark Tide series does immediately follow Vector Prime? i haven't read it yet, but i was under the impression that the books didn't really say much about Han grieving. is that true? and if so, why did they let that skip those two books and continue in Hero's Trial? just tryin' to keep it all straight! 
and you didn't say anything about letting me borrow your books, can i take your silence as permission??? | |
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fantasyislander said: thanks JediMaster!
so, the Dark Tide series does immediately follow Vector Prime? i haven't read it yet, but i was under the impression that the books didn't really say much about Han grieving. is that true? and if so, why did they let that skip those two books and continue in Hero's Trial? just tryin' to keep it all straight!
and you didn't say anything about letting me borrow your books, can i take your silence as permission??? No, Han grieves a WHOLE lot over the following books. Some of the novels overlap as to when they are occurring, focusign on different characters, but it all becomes pretty clear before too long. As for the books, they are long since gone.  I generally pass on books to friends when I finish with them. Sorry 
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JediMaster said: fantasyislander said: thanks JediMaster!
so, the Dark Tide series does immediately follow Vector Prime? i haven't read it yet, but i was under the impression that the books didn't really say much about Han grieving. is that true? and if so, why did they let that skip those two books and continue in Hero's Trial? just tryin' to keep it all straight!
and you didn't say anything about letting me borrow your books, can i take your silence as permission??? No, Han grieves a WHOLE lot over the following books. Some of the novels overlap as to when they are occurring, focusign on different characters, but it all becomes pretty clear before too long. As for the books, they are long since gone. I generally pass on books to friends when I finish with them. Sorry GONE!?!?!?! NOOOOO!!!!! how could you do that!? oh well, i'll get over it. | |
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fantasyislander said: GONE!?!?!?! NOOOOO!!!!!
how could you do that!? oh well, i'll get over it. Try checking used book stores for some of the books. I've had some luck at a few.  | |
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MrJoker said: fantasyislander said: GONE!?!?!?! NOOOOO!!!!!
how could you do that!? oh well, i'll get over it. Try checking used book stores for some of the books. I've had some luck at a few. will do. thanks for the tip. i hadn't even thought of that. | |
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i remember splinter of the minds eye! i read that as a kid! didnt darth vader get his arm cut off or something? from what i remember of it, im surprised that one counts as continuity. seems like it would contradict a whole lot of the later movies. In my own way, I am the king. Hail to the king, baby!!  | |
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