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Reply #60 posted 07/21/04 12:16pm

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Too many people measure their relationships by popular culture (movies, TV, songs). These are generally idealized, romanticized notions of relationships that don't exist in real life.
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Reply #61 posted 07/21/04 12:16pm

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Slave2daGroove said:

In my experience it's because of several reasons.

First, people hook-up with alcohol and have sex without actually getting to know the person first. If you wouldn't be there friend why would you be their girlfriend/boyfriend? How many friends do you have (I mean REAL friends that you can count on when you need them)? I personally have 2 that are REAL friends and I'm there for them. These friendships didn't just happen in a week or hanging out 3 times but took a while to develop. Be friends first and if you wouldn't be the person's friend, don't be their lover.

Second, life deals us up's and downs with constant change. It's just a fact of life but it's how we deal with them that sorts the men from the boys. Keeping perspective and being honest with each other is essential for a partnership to work out. With this comes a common word with relationships, COMMUNICATION. You need to communicate clearly at all times with every relationship you're in (professional, personal or otherwise) so you don't harbor animosity or resentment when someone does or says something you have a problem with.

Third, appreciate the differences in both of you and respect them. So many people want people to be a certain way or try to change them to be a mold of what is "perfect" in their mind. This is a set-up for failure. Everyone is different, even if you have things in common, there is no perfect human being. If you think there is, then you should think about why you think someone needs to be a certain way or look a certain way for them to be perfect in your eyes. The media (including Cosmo), a movie you saw as a kid, your father, books and the list goes on for explanations as to why you think people need certain things to be perfect.

It's taken me my whole life to figure out these 3 things and now I finally understand that when I find a woman who understands these things are essential for a relationship to work, I'll marry her.

This is just my twocents but I hope it helps.


very good comment, slave2.. you basically nailed it.
(& I am not saying this because I wrote a similar post earlier this year..)


isn't it strange how - & when - people figure out certain things?
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Reply #62 posted 07/21/04 12:22pm

JDINTERACTIVE

I think loving someone and being loved by someone is a kind of balance, a part of a greater whole. When two people both love and are loved by one another, they are in harmony. This kind of love is a reciprocal completion of oneself in and with the other. I think we all seek this kind of completion. Sometimes we find it and it lasts a lifetime.

However, I've seen it many times in relationships whereby he or she loves their partner, and their partner allows them to be loved by them, but they don't really love them. This therefore creates an unbalance. Whatever the short-term pleasures or benefits each one derives from a brief fling to a long-term relationship, its inherent imbalance is bound to produce negative thoughts in them both about the relationship.

If neither love each other, it's like sex without emotional content. There is full og physical contact on the surface, but nothing of one's emotional, intellectual or spiritual being is established or persists in the other. The sex may be amazing but really is that all we want from a relationship if we really soul-search!?!?

I think this is why relationships break down to different degrees. They experience faults at the disproportion and one or the other or even both want to correct it in order to preserve their relationship. Almost always, the one who loves more and who is loved less feels the greater pain and regret, and seeks to establish or restore what was once so great about the relationship. I know, I've been there myself as I'm sure we all have at some point in our lives! Regrettably, this is not always possible. Many conflicts occur in relationships, and many marriages end in divorce, because of this 'imbalance' of this kind.

Then again, if both people invest too much in each other, the disproportion is such that neither feels like a centered person in and themselves. This can happen when two people become 'as one' as the saying goes. Each one loves the other at the expense of the other. Each one is therefore reliant on being loved by the other, with a diminished capacity for self-love, as well as not appreciating the gifts or acts of love in a wholesome way. If one were to lose the other on whom so much of oneself depends, it would be like losing yourself. It's a bit confusing really! What makes a relationship work! It's like one plus one equals one, if you stay together, but two minus one equals zero, if you split apart.
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Reply #63 posted 07/21/04 12:39pm

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lack of communication and /or lack of trust.....
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Reply #64 posted 07/21/04 12:40pm

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So... based on everything we've read here, how many of us are really in happy, good relationships?
I mean, like, where is the sun?
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Reply #65 posted 07/21/04 12:50pm

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Natsume said:

So... based on everything we've read here, how many of us are really in happy, good relationships?



wave I am!

Finally! ...

That's what is making me think of all the other relationships I have been in. nod
In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular.
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Reply #66 posted 07/21/04 12:53pm

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Sweeny79 said:

Natsume said:

So... based on everything we've read here, how many of us are really in happy, good relationships?



wave I am!

Finally! ...

That's what is making me think of all the other relationships I have been in. nod


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Reply #67 posted 07/21/04 12:56pm

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'Why Do Relationships Fail


cuz ppl r 2 "n love" to realize that they're not right 4 that person and vice versa. so nstead of not gettin involved they do it n e way cuz they're "following their heart".
Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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Reply #68 posted 07/21/04 1:51pm

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JDINTERACTIVE said:

I think loving someone and being loved by someone is a kind of balance, a part of a greater whole. When two people both love and are loved by one another, they are in harmony. This kind of love is a reciprocal completion of oneself in and with the other. I think we all seek this kind of completion. Sometimes we find it and it lasts a lifetime.

However, I've seen it many times in relationships whereby he or she loves their partner, and their partner allows them to be loved by them, but they don't really love them. This therefore creates an unbalance. Whatever the short-term pleasures or benefits each one derives from a brief fling to a long-term relationship, its inherent imbalance is bound to produce negative thoughts in them both about the relationship.

If neither love each other, it's like sex without emotional content. There is full og physical contact on the surface, but nothing of one's emotional, intellectual or spiritual being is established or persists in the other. The sex may be amazing but really is that all we want from a relationship if we really soul-search!?!?

I think this is why relationships break down to different degrees. They experience faults at the disproportion and one or the other or even both want to correct it in order to preserve their relationship. Almost always, the one who loves more and who is loved less feels the greater pain and regret, and seeks to establish or restore what was once so great about the relationship. I know, I've been there myself as I'm sure we all have at some point in our lives! Regrettably, this is not always possible. Many conflicts occur in relationships, and many marriages end in divorce, because of this 'imbalance' of this kind.

Then again, if both people invest too much in each other, the disproportion is such that neither feels like a centered person in and themselves. This can happen when two people become 'as one' as the saying goes. Each one loves the other at the expense of the other. Each one is therefore reliant on being loved by the other, with a diminished capacity for self-love, as well as not appreciating the gifts or acts of love in a wholesome way. If one were to lose the other on whom so much of oneself depends, it would be like losing yourself. It's a bit confusing really! What makes a relationship work! It's like one plus one equals one, if you stay together, but two minus one equals zero, if you split apart.


Damn, I gotta find a man like you in my city. Very wise, JD!
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Reply #69 posted 07/21/04 1:53pm

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bluesbaby said:

Those reasons as well as

we set expectations that no one can reach--ourselves or others

we try to change the other person

we are not flexible

we are unhappy in our own lives and displace it onto the other person

we don't risk trusting someone else

we don't trust ourselves

we "settle" for someone out of fear of being alone, etc.



This is all sooooo true. worship
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Reply #70 posted 07/21/04 1:54pm

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Moonwalkbjrain said:

'Why Do Relationships Fail


cuz ppl r 2 "n love" to realize that they're not right 4 that person and vice versa. so nstead of not gettin involved they do it n e way cuz they're "following their heart".



Following your heart is NEVER a bad thing to do no no no!
In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular.
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Reply #71 posted 07/21/04 1:58pm

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eek The ads at the top of the page are about jealousy and codependence.
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Reply #72 posted 07/21/04 2:00pm

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Relationships fail cos we all end up settling.. we don't follow our hearts our true love. Their is one person out their for everyone.. when u find them don't let go.

Life is too short to not be happy.. don't just settle with what you have.. find true love.. true happines.. it does exist.. just like u dream of. heart
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Reply #73 posted 07/21/04 2:01pm

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VinaBlue said:

eek The ads at the top of the page are about jealousy and codependence.



eek falloff
In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular.
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Reply #74 posted 07/21/04 2:02pm

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ellieadore said:

Relationships fail cos we all end up settling.. we don't follow our hearts our true love. Their is one person out their for everyone.. when u find them don't let go.

Life is too short to not be happy.. don't just settle with what you have.. find true love.. true happines.. it does exist.. just like u dream of. heart



SO MOTHERFUCKING TRUE!!!! THANK YOU!!!! hug
In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular.
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Reply #75 posted 07/21/04 2:04pm

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Sweeny79 said:

ellieadore said:

Relationships fail cos we all end up settling.. we don't follow our hearts our true love. Their is one person out their for everyone.. when u find them don't let go.

Life is too short to not be happy.. don't just settle with what you have.. find true love.. true happines.. it does exist.. just like u dream of. heart



SO MOTHERFUCKING TRUE!!!! THANK YOU!!!! hug



Sounds like u found 'the one' congrats.. i have too we just working out how to be together biggrin
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Reply #76 posted 07/25/04 4:15am

lollyp0p

ellieadore said:

Sweeny79 said:




SO MOTHERFUCKING TRUE!!!! THANK YOU!!!! hug



Sounds like u found 'the one' congrats.. i have too we just working out how to be together biggrin


WHERES MINE

where do u get them from?
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Reply #77 posted 07/25/04 4:18am

TheFrog

ellieadore said:


Life is too short to not be happy


life is short?! omfg

what a rip! mad
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Reply #78 posted 07/25/04 5:03am

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hmph! no comment
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Reply #79 posted 07/25/04 5:06am

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Sweeny79 said:

Moonwalkbjrain said:



cuz ppl r 2 "n love" to realize that they're not right 4 that person and vice versa. so nstead of not gettin involved they do it n e way cuz they're "following their heart".



Following your heart is NEVER a bad thing to do no no no!


Hmm, I'll better zipped then. I'm scared of that lil waving finger of yours. boxed
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Reply #80 posted 07/25/04 5:12am

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J0eyC0c0 said:

Sweeny79 said:




Following your heart is NEVER a bad thing to do no no no!


Hmm, I'll better zipped then. I'm scared of that lil waving finger of yours. boxed








tease
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Reply #81 posted 07/25/04 6:18am

Vital

Relationships fail when our ideals change and we are able to move forward, or they fail when we stay together trying to honor our commitment when true love and desire are gone.

Someone may marry believing that til 'death do us part' is the right thing to do. Once an idea of a desirable relationship is implanted in our minds, we will try many things to bend the truth to achieve this union.

We think we know what we want but as time goes on we might find that there is something missing. Either we move on or stay in the same place. If we have morals or integrity we are not always able to follow our hearts the way we'd like because issues of right or wrong get in the way.
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Reply #82 posted 07/25/04 6:36am

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Vital said:

Relationships fail when our ideals change and we are able to move forward, or they fail when we stay together trying to honor our commitment when true love and desire are gone.

Someone may marry believing that til 'death do us part' is the right thing to do. Once an idea of a desirable relationship is implanted in our minds, we will try many things to bend the truth to achieve this union.

We think we know what we want but as time goes on we might find that there is something missing. Either we move on or stay in the same place. If we have morals or integrity we are not always able to follow our hearts the way we'd like because issues of right or wrong get in the way.




sigh i realy do agree....
Life´s not that easy as some ppl like to pretend it is neutral
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Reply #83 posted 07/25/04 6:44am

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AndGodCreatedMe said:

Vital said:

Relationships fail when our ideals change and we are able to move forward, or they fail when we stay together trying to honor our commitment when true love and desire are gone.

Someone may marry believing that til 'death do us part' is the right thing to do. Once an idea of a desirable relationship is implanted in our minds, we will try many things to bend the truth to achieve this union.

We think we know what we want but as time goes on we might find that there is something missing. Either we move on or stay in the same place. If we have morals or integrity we are not always able to follow our hearts the way we'd like because issues of right or wrong get in the way.




sigh i realy do agree....
Life´s not that easy as some ppl like to pretend it is neutral


it's not? omfg

what a rip! mad
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Reply #84 posted 07/25/04 6:46am

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TheFrog said:

AndGodCreatedMe said:





sigh i realy do agree....
Life´s not that easy as some ppl like to pretend it is neutral


it's not? omfg

what a rip! mad




mad



Are you bored??? batting eyes
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Reply #85 posted 07/25/04 6:48am

TheFrog

AndGodCreatedMe said:

TheFrog said:



it's not? omfg

what a rip! mad




mad



Are you bored??? batting eyes


can you tell that easily? smile
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Reply #86 posted 07/25/04 6:57am

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TheFrog said:

AndGodCreatedMe said:





mad



Are you bored??? batting eyes


can you tell that easily? smile




nod



but i still luv you batting eyes
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Reply #87 posted 07/25/04 10:48pm

fanasticfan

ellieadore said:

Relationships fail cos we all end up settling.. we don't follow our hearts our true love. Their is one person out their for everyone.. when u find them don't let go.

Life is too short to not be happy.. don't just settle with what you have.. find true love.. true happines.. it does exist.. just like u dream of. heart


This is right on the money. But I think the biggest point of failure is when you succumb to FEAR. Fear keeps people in unhappy relationships and settling for less - being afraid to leave and not follow their dream of true love and so they settle for less and everyone is miserabe and then cheating happens etc.. And fear also keeps people apart from their dreams... being afraid to let go and be vulnerable and just take the risk. You gotta be able to risk a broken heart in order to find someone who will fill it with joy!
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Reply #88 posted 07/26/04 3:58am

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fanasticfan said:

ellieadore said:

Relationships fail cos we all end up settling.. we don't follow our hearts our true love. Their is one person out their for everyone.. when u find them don't let go.

Life is too short to not be happy.. don't just settle with what you have.. find true love.. true happines.. it does exist.. just like u dream of. heart


This is right on the money. But I think the biggest point of failure is when you succumb to FEAR. Fear keeps people in unhappy relationships and settling for less - being afraid to leave and not follow their dream of true love and so they settle for less and everyone is miserabe and then cheating happens etc.. And fear also keeps people apart from their dreams... being afraid to let go and be vulnerable and just take the risk. You gotta be able to risk a broken heart in order to find someone who will fill it with joy!



That is beautiful.. and very well put. We should all stop being scared heart
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