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JediMaster said:

Okay, cool. Yes, I admit they are similar. I think that plenty of geeks are probably feeling this way, so its understandable (funny thing about it is, I initially read about this on superherohype.com. I actually didn't read the bit on Aintitcool until later in the day).

Okay, I'm just a little too sensitive to stuff like this. I've been accused in an academic setting of plagarising by a teacher, just because she didn't believe that a student could write at my level (she had absolutely NOTHING to back up her claim, no piece to say that I had stolen from or anything). That has always kinda bugged me, since I never really had the matter resolved. Sorry if I got too defensive.

MrJoker said:

whats the additional scenes that seem to have everyone so jonz'ing for this?

sosgemini said:

There was scenes with Brando that were shot for possible inclusion in II while they were filming I, I believe. As for exact scenes, maybe someone has the scoop on those?

MrJoker said:

Indeed, it does appear to be true.

JediMaster said:

wow.....now i can see why you'd get frustrated by the accusation.....

now back to more important issues... whats up with this wonderwoman movie? who is the director that everybody is happy with?

MrJoker said:

Well, its not just the missing scenes, but the way the film was edited. The actual movie was taken away from Donner during the filming, and given to someone else to complete. Some scenes were NEVER supposed to be in there (I believe the shot of Supes shooting a laser beam out of his hand is one of these. Since when does he shoot lasers??), while others were just edited drastically different from his original plan. Many who've read the original script feel that it was superior (I can't actually say this, as I haven't read it myself). I mainly just feel that Donner should be given a chance to present his original vision. Its not like we don't still have the theatrical cut to view when we want. Donner did a fantastic job with the first film, and I feel he earned the right to make a proper sequel.

sosgemini said:

Ask and ye shall receive:

Kalogridis Signed to Write Wonder Woman Adaptation Source: Variety Monday, September 29, 2003

Laeta Kalogridis has signed on to write a new version of the script for DC Comics' Wonder Woman, for producer Joel Silver, Leonard Goldberg and Warner Bros. Pictures. The live-action feature adaptation has no start date yet.

Kalogridis will write a story that goes back to the roots of the famed comic books but set in the present day.

She is currently completing "Something Wicked This Way Comes" for Disney. Kalogridis' other credits include a rewrite on "Scream 3" and the creation of the WB series Birds of Prey.


Now, I'm not a fan of the Birds Of Prey series, but from what I have read, she was really tied to a whole lot of network constraints when she developed that show. Word has it that her script is fairly true to the comic, and that she's done plenty of research on WW's history. She's just doing the script, and no director will be hired until she has it approved. Most fanboys are thinking of her as being the person in charge of this project right now, since she will probably shape the direction that it goes (also, a really terrible script of WW almost got made about four years ago, with Jennifer Aniston in the lead. Most are relieved that someone who actually gets the character is working on it, and hope that they pair her with a director who is equally suited)




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JediMaster said:

And hopefully someone a lot better to take the role as well. Sheesh!

silentflute said:

The release of Superman II: Director's Cut.

namepeace said:

Ah yes...FINALLY all will KNEEEL!!!!!

OdysseyMiles said:

MrJoker said:

Coolest. Villain. Ever.

I hope that the whole Green Lantern thing is just a joke or a rumor. As much as I like Jack Black, they shouldn't screw up a classic character like GL. If they cast him as Guy Gardener then maaaybe...

NovaAngel said:

namepeace said:

do u feel clever now?
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sosgemini said:

Long story short:Donner was doing Supes I & II at the same time.Due tp pressure for a christmas release date,he ended up focusing on the first movie.Although 80% of Superman II was finished by Donner--only about 30% made into Superman II.The salkinds fired donner(why that really happened is still a mystery) and hired Richard Lester.lThe stuff with the beams coming out of the villians hands ,as well as the the "s" wrap in the fortess fight were all directed by Lester.He was hired to not only finish the remaining 20% finished,but also to RESHOOT stuff that donner had already done(because they wouldn't have been able to not give him credit as director otherwise).

Some basic stuff:

-All the scenes with Lara were originally shot with Brando

-The reason for superman regaining his powers: Jore El sacrificies his own life(signified in the green crystal) to give to his son

-There was no kiss at the end to make Lois forget all she knew.Originally the "turn back time" from Superman I was supposed to be the finale of II

-Lois jumps out of the Daily planet building to try to prove that Clark is Supes.

-Lois Fires a gun at Clark to prove he's Supes

-At the end,having no more connection to his parents or krypton,Supes destroys the fortress.


For more detailed info, go to www.supermancinema.net

silentflute said:

VERY cool info. You just filled in a lot of missing pieces in the whole story for me! Thanks!

By the way, didn't they royally fuck over John Williams with part II as well? Seems like I remember reading that he walked with Donner, and then they just re-hashed his score from the first film.

NovaAngel said:

DAMN SKIPPY!!! KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!!

As for the GL thing, I'm praying its BS as well, but the info seems to be coming from extremely reliable sources. Hopefully, this thing will get tied up in pre-production hell and never happen. It would be nothing short of disgraceful.

JediMaster said:

Yup.The truth is everyone wanted to walk including Reeve and Kidder.
did you know that the reason the Brando scenes never made it in the second film was because
the salkinds were trying to get over on him by using him for 2 movies but only paying him for one(brando had no idea at the time,since they were shooting both films at once).Since then actor's contracts have what is referred to as "the Salkind Clause" which basically protects us from folks tryin to do shit like that.

silentflute said:

WOW!!!

I had no idea!! Incredible! I always figured Brando's absence from the second flick was just because they didn't want to pay him what he was asking. I just thought that they re-filmed his scenes because they were being cheap. I was unaware of how they were trying to screw him over! It really shouldn't be all that surprising, coming from the Salkinds.

This just in: The Donners are in "deep negotiations with WB" to produce.This is startin to show some promise.Now.if they get Caviezel(and stick with the original suit)--they might be able to pull this damn thing off.

MrJoker said:

Uh-oh, bad news apparently J-LO is interested in becoming Wonder Woman. Yuck

squirrelscientist said:

Well, so are Sara Michelle Gellar, Charisma Carpenter and several others. My vote goes to Catherine Zeta Jones.

silentflute said:

Sweeeeet!

Of course, it might not be a bad idea to do what they did when they found Christopher Reeve: cast an unknown! it worked then, and it just may work today. If the Donners get invovled, I can see this happening.

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JediMaster said:

Although I would not be against using Dean Cain as Supes again. Better than Nick Cage.

David Boreanaz will be the next Supes i reckon.

JediMaster said:

Zeta-Jones would be very cool.

Straining my brain to think of someone better... hmm, can't think of anyone.

Much as I love J-Lo... NO. Not wonderwoman.

Maybe Salma Hayek???

Marrk said:

At one point, he was almost Batman in Nolan's picture, but his schedule made it impossible (of course, this was before he found out that Angel was cancelled)

JediMaster said:

Damn glad that didn't happen.When I first heard that i was wondering howin his right mind he would choose Boreanaz over Bale.

silentflute said:

From what I understand, Bale was always his first choice, but at one point it didn't look like he would be able to do it. When that occurred, Nolan approached Boreanaz, who DID want the role, but couldn't commit due to Angel (and dontcha know he's beating his head against the wall right now??). By the time it was all done with DB, Bale's schedule was freed up, allowing him to take the role.

Personally, I think Bale is going to be the BEST Batman ever. I think he'll be able to pull off the pathos of Batman (like Keaton was able to do), but also capture the billionaire playboy facade that is Bruce Wayne (something Keaton was NEVER able to pull off, even remotely).