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PrintableByron said: CHEECHWIZARD said: Was i hittin a little too close to home
 Nope...you're just way off the mark...lol (as usual around here) Exactly where did I say nobody should have flaws in a relationship??...And by the way, if you're saying that a man who reduces his lover's body to a physical sex object and then has childbirth effect how he sees making love to her as a "flaw", then aren' t you agreeing with me??... 
Let them learn your flaws and deal with them also. Then you have a sound foundation. The purpose of relationships is to simply be yourself. So much easier and stable that way. Takes all the fakeness out of it.
Um, newsflash...you can be "yourself" without ever being in a relationship...the purpose of relationships is to be your better self in relation to another...it's how you are in relation to how they are that gives ALL relationships--friendships, family, romantic, co-workers--their purpose and their worth...and within that context, how long a relationship last is not the barometer of how good it is or how good the participants are within it. Game, set, match. 
[This message was edited Mon Jul 19 19:20:39 2004 by Byron] And you wonder why you are alone? People read this online and think cool. When they meet you i bet things are a little different in person Oh yea. I know King BAD is the giver of ME LIFE
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CHEECHWIZARD said: Byron said: Um, newsflash...you can be "yourself" without ever being in a relationship...the purpose of relationships is to be your better self in relation to another...it's how you are in relation to how they are that gives ALL relationships--friendships, family, romantic, co-workers--their purpose and their worth...and within that context, how long a relationship last is not the barometer of how good it is or how good the participants are within it. Game, set, match.
[This message was edited Mon Jul 19 19:20:39 2004 by Byron] And you wonder why you are alone? People read this online and think cool. When they meet you i bet things are a little different in person Oh yea. I know You know very little when it comes to me... And those who DO know me...know what I'm talking about...  | |
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ok  you put me in check  [This message was edited Mon Jul 19 19:29:59 2004 by CHEECHWIZARD] King BAD is the giver of ME LIFE
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CHEECHWIZARD said: ok
you put me in check
[This message was edited Mon Jul 19 19:29:59 2004 by CHEECHWIZARD]  ...On me...  | |
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Byron said: CHEECHWIZARD said: ok
you put me in check
[This message was edited Mon Jul 19 19:29:59 2004 by CHEECHWIZARD] ...On me... I still don't believe any of that wizard of oz stuff you sayin, but we still hang and sip some suds. King BAD is the giver of ME LIFE
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If he's a dick regardless, I would withhold sex from him in any shape or form.
 I mean, like, where is the sun? | |
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I feel one can only speak for themself and themselves only. Many can speculate the shit out of things... if one has not been there themselves to relate. I mean exactly there, physically within a moment... alas no two moments are ever the same.
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Natsume said: If he's a dick regardless, I would withhold sex from him in any shape or form.
Naw you wouldn't. If he was sexy to you and knew how to push your buttons. You'ld be all over him. You got too much fire in you. King BAD is the giver of ME LIFE
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Freespirit said: I feel one can only speak for themself and themselves only. Many can speculate the shit out of things... if one has not been there themselves to relate. I mean exactly there, physically within a moment... alas no two moments are ever the same.
What do I know... anyways. So true, when you have been there you know. King BAD is the giver of ME LIFE
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Byron said: CHEECHWIZARD said: And you wonder why you are alone? People read this online and think cool. When they meet you i bet things are a little different in person Oh yea. I know You know very little when it comes to me... And those who DO know me...know what I'm talking about... VERY TRUE!In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular. |
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CHEECHWIZARD said: Natsume said: If he's a dick regardless, I would withhold sex from him in any shape or form.
Naw you wouldn't. If he was sexy to you and knew how to push your buttons. You'ld be all over him. You got too much fire in you. I guess it's unfair of me to answer this question because if he was as bad as Azure said, I would NOT be with him. I have too much self respect for him - I only date guys who treat me like gods. Ain't that some shit! I mean, like, where is the sun? | |
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I couldn't wait for my Baby-Momma to heal after she gave birth to my lil boy. I began to actually crave for vagina. I get a hunger for it, I had to wait about month 1/2. As soon as it healed, I was down there like she had a watermelon between her legs.
As for your friend's husband, I think you answered your own question. He's lazy and selfish. It could be as simple as that, or there could very well be an underlying reason; like another woman. But if there is another woman, then the wifey should still come first. Tell him to take care of home first. I'm quoting Dave Hollister[This message was edited Mon Jul 19 21:38:18 2004 by TheBluePrince] Blue  | |
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Well...(putting the lazy, selfish bastard thing aside for a moment - which I am not disputing) I did read something about this recently. It may or may not apply to your friends husband. A psychologist was saying that it is sometimes difficult for a man to "get back into the swing of things" after his partner gives birth because he unconciously believes that the pain and vaginal trauma the woman experienced is his fault and he doesn't want to hurt her again.  I do hope this is true...your poor friend...I can only imagine the depth of heartache she is going though. I hope the situation is resolved for the best for everyone. | |
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applekisses said: Well...(putting the lazy, selfish bastard thing aside for a moment - which I am not disputing) I did read something about this recently. It may or may not apply to your friends husband. A psychologist was saying that it is sometimes difficult for a man to "get back into the swing of things" after his partner gives birth because he unconciously believes that the pain and vaginal trauma the woman experienced is his fault and he doesn't want to hurt her again.
I do hope this is true...your poor friend...I can only imagine the depth of heartache she is going though. I hope the situation is resolved for the best for everyone.
im all for hetero bashing but im shocked at the "men are always lazy" tilt thats occuring on this thread....i just cant see any horned up hetero male walking away from the kitty unless theres some major mental issues involved.... Space for sale... | |
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Like I said earlier.He's bored and wants something else. | |
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sosgemini said: applekisses said: Well...(putting the lazy, selfish bastard thing aside for a moment - which I am not disputing) I did read something about this recently. It may or may not apply to your friends husband. A psychologist was saying that it is sometimes difficult for a man to "get back into the swing of things" after his partner gives birth because he unconciously believes that the pain and vaginal trauma the woman experienced is his fault and he doesn't want to hurt her again.
I do hope this is true...your poor friend...I can only imagine the depth of heartache she is going though. I hope the situation is resolved for the best for everyone.
im all for hetero bashing but im shocked at the "men are always lazy" tilt thats occuring on this thread....i just cant see any horned up hetero male walking away from the kitty unless theres some major mental issues involved....  "walking away from the kitty"
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sosgemini said: applekisses said: Well...(putting the lazy, selfish bastard thing aside for a moment - which I am not disputing) I did read something about this recently. It may or may not apply to your friends husband. A psychologist was saying that it is sometimes difficult for a man to "get back into the swing of things" after his partner gives birth because he unconciously believes that the pain and vaginal trauma the woman experienced is his fault and he doesn't want to hurt her again.
I do hope this is true...your poor friend...I can only imagine the depth of heartache she is going though. I hope the situation is resolved for the best for everyone.
im all for hetero bashing but im shocked at the "men are always lazy" tilt thats occuring on this thread....i just cant see any horned up hetero male walking away from the kitty unless theres some major mental issues involved.... There are many men who are good husbands and love their spouses...who also are ridiculously immature when it comes to sex...
It's not about the men being bad thru and thru...but it can be about attitudes held within about sex and women. | |
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sosgemini said: applekisses said: Well...(putting the lazy, selfish bastard thing aside for a moment - which I am not disputing) I did read something about this recently. It may or may not apply to your friends husband. A psychologist was saying that it is sometimes difficult for a man to "get back into the swing of things" after his partner gives birth because he unconciously believes that the pain and vaginal trauma the woman experienced is his fault and he doesn't want to hurt her again.
I do hope this is true...your poor friend...I can only imagine the depth of heartache she is going though. I hope the situation is resolved for the best for everyone.
im all for hetero bashing but im shocked at the "men are always lazy" tilt thats occuring on this thread....i just cant see any horned up hetero male walking away from the kitty unless theres some major mental issues involved.... I've been tryin to say.....  King BAD is the giver of ME LIFE
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AzureStarr said: My girlfriend called me up frantic on Sunday, wanting me to come over. Besides her husband being a completely selfish, good for nothing, lazy-assed, sorry excuse for a man, he's now decided to keep from her... sexual gratification.
Apparently he won't go "down south" anymore. She recently had a the cutest little baby girl, about eight months ago... and, well, since then their sex life has declined quite a bit. He calls her "MommaDonna" while they are having sex... and won't go "there" anymore... basically he's there to get off and then... well, get off of her. She thinks that maybe she's not attractive to him anymore, since having their baby. She had gained a bit of weight and has about ten more pounds to go. I don't think that's it... but, I wonder, since he saw her give birth... would that have something to do with it? I mean... after seeing that, could it be possible that he is turned off from going there again? Your friend needs a wake up call. His attitude stinks towards her and he don't deserve any respect. I watched my friend who is a single mum having a baby. I saw her gash afterwards and looked like a piece of slapped meat but for fucks sake she just had a baby. Nah didn't turn me off, even though not attracted to my friend sexually. WTF | |
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CHEECHWIZARD said: Byron said: You can't be serious..lol...Not even gonna respond to that first part. As for the "sugar coated dream"...well, perhaps less women (and men for that matter) would end up in lousy, unfulfilling relationships if they just allowed themselves to get as close to that "dream" as they can, instead of admitting defeat right off the bat. Nothing at all wrong with spending time alone while you wait, see, discover... And by the way, the success of a relationship is not based on longevity...see my signature line. Was i hittin a little too close to home Wut you describe is a relationship of expectation. The very thing that cause bad relationships. The he/she can change and everything will be fine. Don't try to be some superhero. jus be you and speak from a real place you can resonably achieve. Painting the "i'm gonna give you the world" only leads to heartache. Learn your flaws and deal with them. Learn their flaws and deal with them too. Let them learn your flaws and deal with them also. Then you have a sound foundation. The purpose of relationships is to simply be yourself. So much easier and stable that way. Takes all the fakeness out of it.MAYBE PURPOSE OF RELATIONSHIP TO PLEASE SELF BUT PURPOSE OF MARRIAGE TO PLEASE OTHER PERSON! P o o |/, P o o |\ | |
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Well, my answer isn't objective because I've not been in a similar position. However, I think it's a bit pathetic. It's more the person rather than the situation at hand here. | |
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It's psychological on his part. 10 pounds is nothing. He has some kind of Madonna/whore hang-up that precludes him from seeing a mother - particularly the mother of his children - as a sexual being.
A lot of men are like this, unfortunately... | |
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He is obviously a shit with feeble excuses and an extremely selfish attitude. We have just had our third 10 weeks ago and my fiancee is still looking hot and quite frankly it has not put me off her sexually at all. If anything I have found that it makes her more attractive and every baby that has come along she becomes more sexy to me and she is also cannot seem to get enough. As for travelling south, this should never be ignored and is an absolute must.
The expression is yummy mummy and boy she is yummy. 
Just wish the kids chose not to wake up when one is on southern manouveres. | |
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Both partners have responsibilities in a relationship...no matter where you place
it on the IMPORTANCE level, sexual intimacy is one of those responsibilities. Even if he didn't want to perform oral, there are other ways to make her climax without doing that...if she hasn't already, she needs to tell him what her NEEDS are at this time. Does she really miss oral? or is she really missing closeness, touching, being held, being made to feel sexy??? Having just had a baby, her hormones are on rampage...she needs to express her desires...AND, it's his responsibility to listen and respond. From your description of their relationship, I don't see them staying together very much longer. It's sad to see a family split up, but it sounds like that's what's gonna happen. Good luck to your friend and her baby. Thanks for the laughs, arguments and overall enjoyment for the last umpteen years. It's time for me to retire from Prince.org and engage in the real world...lol. Above all, I appreciated the talent Prince. You were one of a kind. | |
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The child is of importance at this time..
I cannot imagine a man not being in awe of a woman who gives birth to his own flesh and blood. In fact, I have never heard of a man not wanting his woman after she gives birth.. And I mean in every sexual way. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
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jerseykrs said: I bore witness to both of my childrens birth and neither bothered me, I still thought my wife was beautiful and hot.....
.....it was her fucking other men that eventually turned me off.....   | |
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I watched all three of mine come out and I still LOVE taking the southern route.....
I will add this though... when my first son was born, it was all kind of surreal, and when you're in the moment, you're not really sure what to look at or do. I happened to look over while the doctor was delivering the placenta....   anyways, that image was burned in to my mind for months... didn't turn me off though, mainly because I didn't associate the two....  | |
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This guy sounds like a loser. Not just because he won't go down on his woman but because of everything else you mentioned.
"MommaDonna" in bed? WTF?!?! How does that make her feel? I'm sure it's not sexy but then I'm sure foreplay doesn't exist either and that's just lame. I don't know either of these people so I'm not going to say anything else except I feel for their kids. Growing-up in a divorced house myself with a father that was a non-existent asshole, I can relate to that. | |
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jerseykrs said: lovemachine said: I know that's not funny, but I laughed out loud when I read that. nah, it was supposed to garner a laugh, cause that's all I do about it now....  "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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sosgemini said: Byron said: Any man who can truly be called a "man" will treasure the experience of seeing the birth of their child thru eyes made solely of love and amazement...and won't think of any part of it in a negative way. That's something I believe in the core of my being, not bullshitting here...
True, there can be some "association" that goes on subconsciously, but overall it should alter one's perceptions in that area...if it does, it probably stems more from him being a "completely selfish, good for nothing, lazy-assed, sorry excuse for a man" than it does with anything having to do with witnessing his child being born. theres an actual clinical diagnosis for this...my stepfather went through this for many many years after my mum gave birth to their child.....i has a lot to do with feeling overwhelmed by the birth process and no longer seeing the vagina in a sexual light... no joke, but that is the case with Elvis. once Lisa Maire was born he didnt want to "do it" to his wife no mo.....to bad, she's still a hottie. Kirk: "KHAAANNNN! KHAAANNNN!" | |
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