URL: http://prince.org/msg/8/69536
Date printed: Tue 9th Feb 2010 8:33am PST
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Whatever happened to the neo-soul movement? By Renee Graham
Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. |
Good riddance. |
"With a voice as deep as chocolate and as smooth as caramel, the North Carolina native..."
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U know why? Cuz all those cats are lazy...can't say it any plainer! Luminous beings are we...not this crude matter.
Is this 2morrow or just the END of time? The Funk will always b with u "I've got a face, not just my race, Bang Bang I've got you babe!" |
YODAHENDRIX said: U know why? Cuz all those cats are lazy
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I think they all suffer from neo-writers block
i was born with the wrong sign, in the wrong house, with the wrong ascendancy |
IstenSzek said: I think they all suffer from neo-writers block
perhaps in another 3 yrs, yawn.When's the new Maxwell album due?? Luminous beings are we...not this crude matter.
Is this 2morrow or just the END of time? The Funk will always b with u "I've got a face, not just my race, Bang Bang I've got you babe!" |
CinisterCee said: YODAHENDRIX said: U know why? Cuz all those cats are lazy
Yeah man. Luminous beings are we...not this crude matter.
Is this 2morrow or just the END of time? The Funk will always b with u "I've got a face, not just my race, Bang Bang I've got you babe!" |
LOL. It's funny. The media just CREATED and KILLED its own concoction -- just like the crazy "East Coast vs. West Coast" rap beef they spawned back in the mid-90s.
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The problem is,most of those neo-soul artists take forever to release new music.Maxwell,D'Angelo,Jill Scott are said to be "working" on new material,but how much longer are they gonna take? |
i didn't read any of that article, but i think the "neo-soul movement" was overhyped. it got a lot of attention, but did anyone actually buy it? i mean, how many of those albums went platinum?
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the writer says that it wasnt manufactured, but thats the reason it has died - because it became a cliche of itself so fast. the lyrics are often far too pretentious but the main problem is that half the artists cant write proper songs - theyre full of vibes and atmosphere but not much structure.
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by the way, the term wasnt made by the media, it was coined by kedar massenburg, current president of motown who was then dangelo's manager. |
I think people unnecessarily bag on the term.
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NuPwrSoul said: When done well however, neo-soul still trumps any of the plastic R&B that's playing these days. i don't care what they call it or how damn overhyped it is, i'll take something organic like neo-soul, with some damn real ass musicians trying to make some real ass music, over those cut&paste beats and afterthought lyrics that get tossed out by r. kelly and a million other "plastic r&b" minions... Candy Dulfer is my boo... |
EllisDee said: NuPwrSoul said: When done well however, neo-soul still trumps any of the plastic R&B that's playing these days. i don't care what they call it or how damn overhyped it is, i'll take something organic like neo-soul, with some damn real ass musicians trying to make some real ass music, over those cut&paste beats and afterthought lyrics that get tossed out by r. kelly and a million other "plastic r&b" minions... remember when alternative (or "grunge," if one must) broke out in the early 90's? the first several groups that the public discovered had the goods, but they were followed by lame pretenders and also-rans for the rest of the decade. same thing for "neo-soul" (again, if one must), except trends, and especially in the music industry, are on a much faster cycle these days, and the whole movement built up too quickly to establish credibility and to establish who was leading the way and who was jumping on the bandwagon. those who can do it will stick around for years, but in the meantime, the crap is mixed in with the good, as it always is, and it (the crap) will fade away. but hopefully quick enough to not taint the whole genre. |
Remy Shand Killed it. |
AaronUniversal said: i didn't read any of that article...
foolio...read the article...it actually references some artist i had never heard about...im actually gone check out some of the discs.. Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. |
sosgemini said: AaronUniversal said: i didn't read any of that article...
foolio...read the article...it actually references some artist i had never heard about...im actually gone check out some of the discs.. go ahead, but i've been up a very very long time and i don't have the attention span for it. then again, i AM trying to make myself sleepy... |
EllisDee said: NuPwrSoul said: When done well however, neo-soul still trumps any of the plastic R&B that's playing these days. i don't care what they call it or how damn overhyped it is, i'll take something organic like neo-soul, with some damn real ass musicians trying to make some real ass music, over those cut&paste beats and afterthought lyrics that get tossed out by r. kelly and a million other "plastic r&b" minions... i dunno. half of it is really boring IMO these days. R&b and neo soul are pretty sucky overall. |
First of all I always hated the term "Neo-Soul" there was nothing "NEW" about soul in the first place!
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sinisterpentatonic said: Remy Shand Killed it.
Nah seriously, D'Angelo and Badu were the pioneers of that shit, and as Aaron pointed out everyone else biting their style were just pretenders. As with anything thats mass produced and imitated it loses it's appeal (least for me, and that goes for P too). Ok maybe a new genre in music was spawned, for those willing to accept that as an excuse for lack of originality. I will say as Ellis did that it's far superior to mainstream R'n'b, but there's only so much of it I can digest. Listening to much of that shit is like smoking bad weed just makes me sleepy. Neo-Soul as a genre had/has so much potential but, I have yet to hear anyone doing it the way that it should be done. Actually groups like Tony, Toni,Tone and Loose Ends where the pioneers...there were people doing soul music but New Jack was the main vibe then. |
Rhondab said: sinisterpentatonic said: Remy Shand Killed it.
Nah seriously, D'Angelo and Badu were the pioneers of that shit, and as Aaron pointed out everyone else biting their style were just pretenders. As with anything thats mass produced and imitated it loses it's appeal (least for me, and that goes for P too). Ok maybe a new genre in music was spawned, for those willing to accept that as an excuse for lack of originality. I will say as Ellis did that it's far superior to mainstream R'n'b, but there's only so much of it I can digest. Listening to much of that shit is like smoking bad weed just makes me sleepy. Neo-Soul as a genre had/has so much potential but, I have yet to hear anyone doing it the way that it should be done. Actually groups like Tony, Toni,Tone and Loose Ends where the pioneers...there were people doing soul music but New Jack was the main vibe then. Actually you're right, but never heard that term until D'angelo, Maxwell and Badu hit the scene. Good catch! |
JANFAN4L said: LOL. It's funny. The media just CREATED and KILLED its own concoction -- just like the crazy "East Coast vs. West Coast" rap beef they spawned back in the mid-90s.
I remember when the media in 1997 proclaimed, "Like, OMG! Electronica is the next big thing! Prodigy will surpass The Beatles!" It was corny. MTV tried to get on that and made a crapped after-hours show called "AMP." I remember AMP. That show was so weird. I think that AMP even had it's own series of soundtracks that you could get at the record store. You know, for when you wanted to listen to cracked out electronica music during the day. |
You all want neo soul??? Come to Atlanta!!! Goddamn it get DOWN here! There's more neo-soul than you can shake a 13 inch wang at!! Actually it's not a bad thing though. There are some really good artists down here that have their shit together. There's this guy named Anthony David who's really good. Check him out. That article mentioned that singer Donnie and actually he just played here recently but he's on all sorts of coke and pills I guess. He played out in CA recently and Prince was actually in the audience and someone told him this while he was onstage and he said (away from the mic but close enough that it picked up) "I don't give a fuck if Prince is in the audience!" Evidently Prince wanted to help him but ended up walking out after that. He coulda been a contender! www.adamjames.net -official website
www.myspace.com/adamjames -check out my music "Sausage Fingers With His Guitar & Mullet" avatar made possible by a grant from BeingTheHero at chapelofresonance.com |
You know what??? There is no "neo-soul". I don't think any of these artists aspire to be retro to begin with. You don't see any of them dressing up in shiny suits and processing their hair or having some kinda whompn', stompin' intensity in their sound. Most of that stuff is just laid back R&B for the upscale type of black folk. I think it should be called "Progressive Soul". What do you think? NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. |
mochalox said:[quote] guitarslinger44 said: You all want neo soul??? Come to Atlanta!!! Goddamn it get DOWN here! There's more neo-soul than you can shake a 13 inch wang at!! Actually it's not a bad thing though. There are some really good artists down here that have their shit together. There's this guy named Anthony David who's really good. Check him out. That article mentioned that singer Donnie and actually he just played here recently but he's on all sorts of coke and pills I guess. He played out in CA recently and Prince was actually in the audience and someone told him this while he was onstage and he said (away from the mic but close enough that it picked up) "I don't give a fuck if Prince is in the audience!" Evidently Prince wanted to help him but ended up walking out after that. He coulda been a contender!
true. I'm in ATL and I think we're inundated in it. Don't forget Joi, a.k.a. "Star Kitty",Heston, Kem (a non-Atlantan), Heratio, Seek, fellow .org'er Chilton, Syt (pronounced 'sight', also a shameless plug: http://www.syt2mind.com/) and my boy DRES tha Beatnik (another shameless plug: http://www.4kingsent.com/events.html). My list could go on forever. ATL is sick with it! "Pedro offers you his protection." |
To throw another name in the hat, check out Rhian Benson. She has a sweet CD. She's on the Amel Larrieux meets Sade tip. It comes down to preference. Some people prefer Maxwell, some prefer Jaguar Wright, etc. Its nice to know that there are still some people interested in real singing, real music and real writing. If its "boring" to you, go listen to something else. I'll take neo soul over Radiohead, The White Stripes or any ten of the noisy, off-key singing fluffmongers clouding the airwaves these days.
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I said it b4 and I'ma say it again-FUCK THE TERM!
Love is just like the faucet
It turns off and on Sometimes when you think it's on baby It has turned off and gone Lady Day |
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Date printed: Tue 9th Feb 2010 8:33am PST