As a lifelong P fan, didn't dive very deep into the arists that were considered "Prince Satellites" but recently listened to JJ's "Verbal Penetration" in its entirety and was completely blown away. That's an album you can listen to in its entirety and not encounter a "bad" song. In fact you can not listen to this entire double album and *not* think JJ can stand toe to toe with P on rhythm and lead guitar. It's a refreshing reminder that P was a catalyst for many artists but only a few could stand on their own.

sanctus said:

As a lifelong P fan, didn't dive very deep into the arists that were considered "Prince Satellites" but recently listened to JJ's "Verbal Penetration" in its entirety and was completely blown away. That's an album you can listen to in its entirety and not encounter a "bad" song. In fact you can not listen to this entire double album and *not* think JJ can stand toe to toe with P on rhythm and lead guitar. It's a refreshing reminder that P was a catalyst for many artists but only a few could stand on their own.

While VP had some really good songs it have some annoying segues where some female voice brags about Jesse

and maybe Jesse was as good on rhythm guitar but on lead guitar not even close.

I love Jesses music but i did notice that his solos are always on

autopilot playing same ol blues cliches and i noticed that Jesse

don't listen to background harmonic changes.Prince played

so much better lead guitar.

there is a reason Prince is regarded to b one of the best guitar players ever and Jesse is not,but even without that i have ears and i can hear what i wrote earlier.

thebanishedone said:

phunkdaddy said:

thebanishedone said:

While VP had some really good songs it have some annoying segues where some female voice brags about Jesse

and maybe Jesse was as good on rhythm guitar but on lead guitar not even close.

I love Jesses music but i did notice that his solos are always on

autopilot playing same ol blues cliches and i noticed that Jesse

don't listen to background harmonic changes.Prince played

so much better lead guitar.

there is a reason Prince is regarded to b one of the best guitar players ever and Jesse is not,but even without that i have ears and i can hear what i wrote earlier.

I disagree with you on lead guitar. Jesse is the reason Prince improved his lead guitar skills. Prince knew Jesse was a monster. I listen to both guitar work often. I'll go as far to say that they are close with Jesse even being better. I don't listen just to Jesse's solo music I listen to his production work on other artists as well. If you aren't familiar with the band he produced in 1988 called DaKrash, YouTube it and listen to Wasn't I Good To You, Trapped In Phases, and Feeling Like This. Your neck will never be the same.

First thank you for the tip,i checked Da Krash and Jesse played nice solos there and the songs are nice .But did Prince say he got better on guitar because of Jesse?Yeah Prince was all eyes on Jesse during rehearsals with The Time,but i think it was not because of guitar playing.

Remember Jesse had the star quality,he already had his trademark color Pink and had pink amps.

Prince got better on guitar because of the same reason he got better

as a singer,piano ,bass player and a drummer,and the reason is constant practice .

I would like you to explain me why you think Jesse is better,

and i will tell you why i think Prince was better on guitar.

When i listen to Jesse soloing to me it sounds like he don't really listen to harmonic changes that the band plays and instead he plays cliche blues patterns,it sounds like what he plays comes from his hands and not from his hands.Prince is much better at listening at the background for his solos.His melodies are more memorable,he is more precise than Jesse and every note counts.

But Jesse was more consistant,he always played good ,Prince was playing very below his standard during 1998-1999 period.Anybody who doubt me can check Prince solo on Jungle Love that he did live with The Time in Vegas 1999 new years eve i think was the date.He was terrible there,yet All Prince guitar solos on Jungle Love from 2007-2012 are much better than Jesse ever played on that song

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thebanishedone said:

sanctus said:

As a lifelong P fan, didn't dive very deep into the arists that were considered "Prince Satellites" but recently listened to JJ's "Verbal Penetration" in its entirety and was completely blown away. That's an album you can listen to in its entirety and not encounter a "bad" song. In fact you can not listen to this entire double album and *not* think JJ can stand toe to toe with P on rhythm and lead guitar. It's a refreshing reminder that P was a catalyst for many artists but only a few could stand on their own.

While VP had some really good songs it have some annoying segues where some female voice brags about Jesse

and maybe Jesse was as good on rhythm guitar but on lead guitar not even close.

I love Jesses music but i did notice that his solos are always on

autopilot playing same ol blues cliches and i noticed that Jesse

don't listen to background harmonic changes.Prince played

so much better lead guitar.

there is a reason Prince is regarded to b one of the best guitar players ever and Jesse is not,but even without that i have ears and i can hear what i wrote earlier.

I respectfully disagree. Prince once had Big Chick HANDCUFF Jesse backstage, so He could play Guitar w/The Time! It's in the Original 7ven Documentary. Jesse didn't even have to PLAY Guitar when He auditioned for The Time! And while Jesse was a Member of D'Angelo's Vanguard, He got a Text from Prince that pretty much said "U are so much better than the Company U R in. People wanna see U, Me & Morris. Come see Me. I have something 4 U". Trouble WAS: Jesse was Overseas. Shortly thereafter, Prince was GONE. 2 quote Christopher Tracy, "And that says WHAT"?? Jesse Johnson is BADASS!!! And I wish We'd gotten that "Full-Time" Reunion w/Prince adding a couple Tunes. Maybe there will b "One Mo' Time!!!

woogiebear said:

thebanishedone said:

While VP had some really good songs it have some annoying segues where some female voice brags about Jesse

and maybe Jesse was as good on rhythm guitar but on lead guitar not even close.

I love Jesses music but i did notice that his solos are always on

autopilot playing same ol blues cliches and i noticed that Jesse

don't listen to background harmonic changes.Prince played

so much better lead guitar.

there is a reason Prince is regarded to b one of the best guitar players ever and Jesse is not,but even without that i have ears and i can hear what i wrote earlier.

I respectfully disagree. Prince once had Big Chick HANDCUFF Jesse backstage, so He could play Guitar w/The Time! It's in the Original 7ven Documentary. Jesse didn't even have to PLAY Guitar when He auditioned for The Time! And while Jesse was a Member of D'Angelo's Vanguard, He got a Text from Prince that pretty much said "U are so much better than the Company U R in. People wanna see U, Me & Morris. Come see Me. I have something 4 U". Trouble WAS: Jesse was Overseas. Shortly thereafter, Prince was GONE. 2 quote Christopher Tracy, "And that says WHAT"?? Jesse Johnson is BADASS!!! And I wish We'd gotten that "Full-Time" Reunion w/Prince adding a couple Tunes. Maybe there will b "One Mo' Time!!!

Jesse was handcuffer for the prankster reasons not because Prince was envious.Jesse is a badass but Prince is a few levels more badass yeah i'm talking about guitar.Jesse is all about the (pentatonic) box,Prince was more out of the box on guitar.When i listen Jesse i know how hes gonna play,when Prince plays i have no clue where he gonna go next.

woogiebear said:

thebanishedone said:

While VP had some really good songs it have some annoying segues where some female voice brags about Jesse

and maybe Jesse was as good on rhythm guitar but on lead guitar not even close.

I love Jesses music but i did notice that his solos are always on

autopilot playing same ol blues cliches and i noticed that Jesse

don't listen to background harmonic changes.Prince played

so much better lead guitar.

there is a reason Prince is regarded to b one of the best guitar players ever and Jesse is not,but even without that i have ears and i can hear what i wrote earlier.

I respectfully disagree. Prince once had Big Chick HANDCUFF Jesse backstage, so He could play Guitar w/The Time! It's in the Original 7ven Documentary. Jesse didn't even have to PLAY Guitar when He auditioned for The Time! And while Jesse was a Member of D'Angelo's Vanguard, He got a Text from Prince that pretty much said "U are so much better than the Company U R in. People wanna see U, Me & Morris. Come see Me. I have something 4 U". Trouble WAS: Jesse was Overseas. Shortly thereafter, Prince was GONE. 2 quote Christopher Tracy, "And that says WHAT"?? Jesse Johnson is BADASS!!! And I wish We'd gotten that "Full-Time" Reunion w/Prince adding a couple Tunes. Maybe there will b "One Mo' Time!!!

Really? As much as I love Prince, I think that Voodoo and Black Messiah (to a lesser extent) are better than anything that Prince did post 1980s, judged as albums. No one could accuse D’Angelo of being prolific, but Voodoo is a masterpiece in my view – holds its own among the best of Prince and Sly Stone.

fen said:

woogiebear said:

I respectfully disagree. Prince once had Big Chick HANDCUFF Jesse backstage, so He could play Guitar w/The Time! It's in the Original 7ven Documentary. Jesse didn't even have to PLAY Guitar when He auditioned for The Time! And while Jesse was a Member of D'Angelo's Vanguard, He got a Text from Prince that pretty much said "U are so much better than the Company U R in. People wanna see U, Me & Morris. Come see Me. I have something 4 U". Trouble WAS: Jesse was Overseas. Shortly thereafter, Prince was GONE. 2 quote Christopher Tracy, "And that says WHAT"?? Jesse Johnson is BADASS!!! And I wish We'd gotten that "Full-Time" Reunion w/Prince adding a couple Tunes. Maybe there will b "One Mo' Time!!!

Really? As much as I love Prince, I think that Voodoo and Black Messiah (to a lesser extent) are better than anything that Prince did post 1980s, judged as albums. No one could accuse D’Angelo of being prolific, but Voodoo is a masterpiece in my view – holds its own among the best of Prince and Sly Stone.

Rainbow Children alone kills the shit outta those 2 albums andwhile i like D'Angelo his mumbling style of singing is kinda off putting

thebanishedone said:

sanctus said:

As a lifelong P fan, didn't dive very deep into the arists that were considered "Prince Satellites" but recently listened to JJ's "Verbal Penetration" in its entirety and was completely blown away. That's an album you can listen to in its entirety and not encounter a "bad" song. In fact you can not listen to this entire double album and *not* think JJ can stand toe to toe with P on rhythm and lead guitar. It's a refreshing reminder that P was a catalyst for many artists but only a few could stand on their own.

While VP had some really good songs it have some annoying segues where some female voice brags about Jesse

and maybe Jesse was as good on rhythm guitar but on lead guitar not even close.

I love Jesses music but i did notice that his solos are always on

autopilot playing same ol blues cliches and i noticed that Jesse

don't listen to background harmonic changes.Prince played

so much better lead guitar.

there is a reason Prince is regarded to b one of the best guitar players ever and Jesse is not,but even without that i have ears and i can hear what i wrote earlier.

How the hell did i forget for a moment? Jesse's Bare My Naked Soul album went full guitar hero

on that ass. The title track and My Life

thebanishedone said:

fen said:

Really? As much as I love Prince, I think that Voodoo and Black Messiah (to a lesser extent) are better than anything that Prince did post 1980s, judged as albums. No one could accuse D’Angelo of being prolific, but Voodoo is a masterpiece in my view – holds its own among the best of Prince and Sly Stone.

Rainbow Children alone kills the shit outta those 2 albums andwhile i like D'Angelo his mumbling style of singing is kinda off putting

I don't dislike The Rainbow Children overall, but I guess that we just have different tastes. Voodoo is a far more muscially interesting and consistent album for me.

datdude said:

u guys are making me go give Jesse a REAL look and listen. I didn't track with his solo stuff at all and only know "Can U Help Me" and "Crazy For U" as (forgettable) singles. I enjoyed him on Condensate but apparently I've missed much! thanks!

Check I'm Just Wanting You amazing track

I agree with phunkdaddy........"Bare My Naked Soul" is great. "Brand New Day" is probably my favorite track...screaming guitar from Jesse on that one.

thebanishedone said:

fen said:

Really? As much as I love Prince, I think that Voodoo and Black Messiah (to a lesser extent) are better than anything that Prince did post 1980s, judged as albums. No one could accuse D’Angelo of being prolific, but Voodoo is a masterpiece in my view – holds its own among the best of Prince and Sly Stone.

Rainbow Children alone kills the shit outta those 2 albums andwhile i like D'Angelo his mumbling style of singing is kinda off putting

The whole D'Angelo tapestry is mumbly and sedated. ZzZzzzzzzZzzz. Prince was never boring like that.

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WhisperingDandelions said:

thebanishedone said:

Rainbow Children alone kills the shit outta those 2 albums andwhile i like D'Angelo his mumbling style of singing is kinda off putting

The whole D'Angelo tapestry is mumbly and sedated. ZzZzzzzzzZzzz. Prince was never boring like that.

[Edited 10/30/20 11:46am]

WhisperingD i agree but u know it's cool and hip to say D'angelo did something better than Prince,even Alan Leeds(D'angelos manasger hm hm) was on that train.

With The Rainbow Kids alone Prince beats all (3 albums in 26 years of career ) music done by D'angelo

phunkdaddy said:

phunkdaddy said:

I swear I don't hear what you guys hear with Rainbow Children. That's among his worst imo. My favorite Prince album is 1999. I wasn't very high on Prince Planet Earth album but I would take that over Rainbow Children easily. [Edited 10/31/20 13:44pm]

TRC is mature musicanship, tight bandleadership, complex song concepts and lyrics with no regard for "pop" radio or catchiness. to compare it to something like 1999 is to expect a teenager to order from the same food menu as a 40 plus year old

phunkdaddy said:

I have to try TRC again.It just seemed flat with no bite.

try in this order Family Name

The Everlasting Now

The LasT December

than when u get hooked,go from the start.

Maybe u dismissed the album because of Darth Vader voice but u are missing alot.

WhisperingDandelions said:

thebanishedone said:

Rainbow Children alone kills the shit outta those 2 albums andwhile i like D'Angelo his mumbling style of singing is kinda off putting

The whole D'Angelo tapestry is mumbly and sedated. ZzZzzzzzzZzzz. Prince was never boring like that.

[Edited 10/30/20 11:46am]

Without wishing to derail the thread further, I like its dark, wonky, low-key quality – by that measure you’d probably have to label Sly Stone’s “Thank You for Talkin' to Me, Africa” as mumbling and sedated. I see it as quite a clear nod to “There’s a Riot Goin On” (which has a similar down-beat quality to it) and the dark, moody sound of Lewis Taylor’s debut. All I know is that in 2000 it sounded far more fresh and interesting to me than Rave did.

[Edited 11/1/20 17:18pm]

thebanishedone said:

Hell yes. Str8 disciple of Eddie Hazel.