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Reply #60 posted 03/15/19 10:46am

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Keep making enemies Free2BeMe, that'll convince people.

I have to agree. Not helping at all and sadly really sinks any other argument she's making. I do have to admit though it's hard to stay civil, considering some of the crap that is being said.



It's not hard when one follows the rules or the warning at the top if the thread.

If folks find themselves hot under the collar then walk away from the computer and take a break.


Back on topic............. biggrin

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Reply #61 posted 03/15/19 10:48am

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PatrickS77 said:

I have to agree. Not helping at all and sadly really sinks any other argument she's making. I do have to admit though it's hard to stay civil, considering some of the crap that is being said.



It's not hard when one follows the rules or the warning at the top if the thread.

If folks find themselves hot under the collar then walk away from the computer and take a break.


Back on topic............. biggrin

That doesn't make it any less hard.

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Reply #62 posted 03/15/19 11:23am

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Leaving Neverland: Wade Robson accused of 'lying about Michael Jackson abuse'

The author of a Michael Jackson biography has questioned the facts presented by the singer's victims

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Reply #63 posted 03/15/19 12:23pm

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A lot of people are talking about Wade's story being fake. But not an awful lot has been said about James hmm.

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Reply #64 posted 03/15/19 12:58pm

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Reply #65 posted 03/15/19 1:44pm

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Well ain't that something!....

They definitely are(!) Valley lazers... trying anything to grift some cheese to sit on that ass. As much as this keeps pressing on, and as the later screenings have allegedly dropped certain content...and as the "charitable organization" has withdrew the notion that Robeson's wife was herself a victim of abuse and in the "DOCUMENTARY" (film) SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT SHE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE WADE'S ALLEGED DESCENT... she had no knowledge of abuse or what to do in abuse...

Jeesus.... MJ did some crazy things, but this is sweeping stuff under the rug cause some damn threads are coming loose!...

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Reply #66 posted 03/15/19 2:17pm

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I still have a split opinion over all this and would much rather Michael Jackson was innocent. It is so easy to just look at something and twist it to make it look like there was a bad intent. For example the locks on Michael Jackson's apartment/bedroom door. You can make it look like he used them to avoid being caught doing something bad but then at the same time, if you remember that he was the most famous person on earth - a potential target - then it all takes a different perspective.

Also I know that there is this video that resurfaced about Michael and James Safechuck shopping for a ring together and if you believe Safechuck's story about the secret mock wedding ceremony then yes that seems weird from Michael's part but doesn't anyone find it odd when Safechuck says he really loved jewellery as a child? That could be interpreted in a different way too (i.e. the jewellery could have been way of getting money for Safechuck's family).


So what I am saying basically is that there are so many different ways of looking at this that it is impossible to just 'guess' who's telling the truth. The fact that Michael had children sleeping round his bedroom quarters after parties etc still doesn't mean that he was doing something bad to them.

For me it is impossible to have a firm opinion either way... Plus, I just watched this. cow2 mushy




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Reply #67 posted 03/15/19 2:32pm

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... and this: It's really sad to watch, especially if you take into account that he may well be innocent.

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Reply #68 posted 03/15/19 3:11pm

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2045RadicalMattZ said:

Well ain't that something!....

They definitely are(!) Valley lazers... trying anything to grift some cheese to sit on that ass. As much as this keeps pressing on, and as the later screenings have allegedly dropped certain content...and as the "charitable organization" has withdrew the notion that Robeson's wife was herself a victim of abuse and in the "DOCUMENTARY" (film) SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT SHE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE WADE'S ALLEGED DESCENT... she had no knowledge of abuse or what to do in abuse...

Jeesus.... MJ did some crazy things, but this is sweeping stuff under the rug cause some damn threads are coming loose!...

Yowch.


Rob$on and $afechuck have been caught in so many lies that whatever credibilty they were hoping to portray has been shot to shit. Reed is probably still making edits to his hit-piece right now.

The loophole may well be key to the whole thing.

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Reply #69 posted 03/15/19 4:03pm

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It's not a loophole in the law, it's actually the law. A law that was created to allow victims of child abuse to pursue justice, which reflects the actual situation many abuse victims find themselves in. If it wasn't MJ involved we'd all be thankful that this law allows victims to pursue justice.

Or would people rather the law was changed to deny ALL victims this opportunity?

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Reply #70 posted 03/15/19 4:10pm

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Okay, maybe it's not a loophole. Maybe it's the law.

Whichever it may be it doesn't negate all the lies that Rob$on and $afechuck have been caught up in.

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Reply #71 posted 03/15/19 4:26pm

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Okay, maybe it's not a loophole. Maybe it's the law.

Whichever it may be it doesn't negate all the lies that Rob$on and $afechuck have been caught up in.

Robson does appear dubious, Safechuck appears credible.

But they are only part of the picture.

And think about any case which didn't involve MJ - an adult sues a family friend after realising he was abused years ago as a child - would we all scream 'liar' at him? Most likely the family of the accused would - especially if they stood to lose their reputation and inheritance.

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Reply #72 posted 03/15/19 4:28pm

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Cloudbuster said:

It's not a loophole in the law, it's actually the law. A law that was created to allow victims of child abuse to pursue justice, which reflects the actual situation many abuse victims find themselves in. If it wasn't MJ involved we'd all be thankful that this law allows victims to pursue justice.

Or would people rather the law was changed to deny ALL victims this opportunity?

Are you purposely trying to be antagonistic and pedantic? It's quite obvious what was meant by the posting of the 'loophole'. If you were to do your own research you'd of found that robson/safechuck purposely waited and filed case when the satute of limitation had expired so they could not be prosecuted for perjury from previous court appearances/statements. And the only way they could get a chance at the money is to convince a case of not being aware that they were being 'abused', which is laughable as they are trying to make out at the age they are now that they only just realised abuse when they both went to counselling.

Wade a man who had broke up Britney Spears/Justin Timberlake by cheating with her. And also screwing Mayte while still with Prince. Doesn't exactly scream of naive innocent wallflower unaware of the birds and the bees does it???

You really don't find that suspicious in the slightest???

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Reply #73 posted 03/15/19 4:32pm

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RichardS said:



Cloudbuster said:


Okay, maybe it's not a loophole. Maybe it's the law.

Whichever it may be it doesn't negate all the lies that Rob$on and $afechuck have been caught up in.



Robson does appear dubious, Safechuck appears credible.


But they are only part of the picture.



And think about any case which didn't involve MJ - an adult sues a family friend after realising he was abused years ago as a child - would we all scream 'liar' at him? Most likely the family of the accused would - especially if they stood to lose their reputation and inheritance.


But those people wouldn't sue for 1.6 bio. $. They wouldn't make a movie about it. So it is totally irrelevant what would happen in any other case, as this is not any other case.
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Reply #74 posted 03/15/19 4:36pm

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kremlinshadow said:

RichardS said:

It's not a loophole in the law, it's actually the law. A law that was created to allow victims of child abuse to pursue justice, which reflects the actual situation many abuse victims find themselves in. If it wasn't MJ involved we'd all be thankful that this law allows victims to pursue justice.

Or would people rather the law was changed to deny ALL victims this opportunity?

Are you purposely trying to be antagonistic and pedantic? It's quite obvious what was meant by the posting of the 'loophole'. If you were to do your own research you'd of found that robson/safechuck purposely waited and filed case when the satute of limitation had expired so they could not be prosecuted for perjury from previous court appearances/statements. And the only way they could get a chance at the money is to convince a case of not being aware that they were being 'abused', which is laughable as they are trying to make out at the age they are now that they only just realised abuse when they both went to counselling.

Wade a man who had broke up Britney Spears/Justin Timberlake by cheating with her. And also screwing Mayte while still with Prince. Doesn't exactly scream of naive innocent wallflower unaware of the birds and the bees does it???

You really don't find that suspicious in the slightest???


It's okay, let him waffle. He wants MJ to be a paedophile. Maybe he's looking for kinship. ---> NAMBLA that way.

If Rob$0n and $afechuck were telling the truth they wouldn't be caught up in so many lies.

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Reply #75 posted 03/15/19 4:39pm

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kremlinshadow said:



RichardS said:




Cloudbuster said:




It's not a loophole in the law, it's actually the law. A law that was created to allow victims of child abuse to pursue justice, which reflects the actual situation many abuse victims find themselves in. If it wasn't MJ involved we'd all be thankful that this law allows victims to pursue justice.


Or would people rather the law was changed to deny ALL victims this opportunity?



Are you purposely trying to be antagonistic and pedantic? It's quite obvious what was meant by the posting of the 'loophole'. If you were to do your own research you'd of found that robson/safechuck purposely waited and filed case when the satute of limitation had expired so they could not be prosecuted for perjury from previous court appearances/statements. And the only way they could get a chance at the money is to convince a case of not being aware that they were being 'abused', which is laughable as they are trying to make out at the age they are now that they only just realised abuse when they both went to counselling.



Wade a man who had broke up Britney Spears/Justin Timberlake by cheating with her. And also screwing Mayte while still with Prince. Doesn't exactly scream of naive innocent wallflower unaware of the birds and the bees does it???



You really don't find that suspicious in the slightest???


The dates are suspicious yes, having consexual sex when older is not some weird proof they weren't abused though. To my knowledge promiscuity is often found in abuse victims as they grow up so it'd probably work in their favour if you wanted to pursue that line of questioning.
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Reply #76 posted 03/15/19 4:55pm

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I've suspected that MJ's demise was a result of a guilty conscious and not being able to live with himself. People can do incredibly self destructive things when their souls are tortured. That isn't evidence of guilt but that is what my gut tells me.

i always thought it was because he was hounded to it, nothing was clearer to me that he was persecuted than when he was dressing like a woman in bahrain, just trying to escape notice. In fact, the day he died, when I got wind of it my thought was "don't let them get you Mike, come on".

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Reply #77 posted 03/15/19 4:58pm

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Everyone should watch this... to the very end.

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Reply #78 posted 03/15/19 5:01pm

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jaawwnn said:

kremlinshadow said:

Are you purposely trying to be antagonistic and pedantic? It's quite obvious what was meant by the posting of the 'loophole'. If you were to do your own research you'd of found that robson/safechuck purposely waited and filed case when the satute of limitation had expired so they could not be prosecuted for perjury from previous court appearances/statements. And the only way they could get a chance at the money is to convince a case of not being aware that they were being 'abused', which is laughable as they are trying to make out at the age they are now that they only just realised abuse when they both went to counselling.

Wade a man who had broke up Britney Spears/Justin Timberlake by cheating with her. And also screwing Mayte while still with Prince. Doesn't exactly scream of naive innocent wallflower unaware of the birds and the bees does it???

You really don't find that suspicious in the slightest???

The dates are suspicious yes, having consexual sex when older is not some weird proof they weren't abused though. To my knowledge promiscuity is often found in abuse victims as they grow up so it'd probably work in their favour if you wanted to pursue that line of questioning.

That wasn't the point. The point being him being promiscuous and very aware of what was right or wrong sexually and then making out just a few years ago he only just became aware what he was doing was wrong to get around that loophole. Just doesn't ring true.

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Reply #79 posted 03/15/19 5:03pm

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Geffen >> Weinstein >> Oprah

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Reply #80 posted 03/15/19 5:06pm

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kremlinshadow said:



RichardS said:




Cloudbuster said:




It's not a loophole in the law, it's actually the law. A law that was created to allow victims of child abuse to pursue justice, which reflects the actual situation many abuse victims find themselves in. If it wasn't MJ involved we'd all be thankful that this law allows victims to pursue justice.


Or would people rather the law was changed to deny ALL victims this opportunity?



Are you purposely trying to be antagonistic and pedantic? It's quite obvious what was meant by the posting of the 'loophole'. If you were to do your own research you'd of found that robson/safechuck purposely waited and filed case when the satute of limitation had expired so they could not be prosecuted for perjury from previous court appearances/statements. And the only way they could get a chance at the money is to convince a case of not being aware that they were being 'abused', which is laughable as they are trying to make out at the age they are now that they only just realised abuse when they both went to counselling.



Wade a man who had broke up Britney Spears/Justin Timberlake by cheating with her. And also screwing Mayte while still with Prince. Doesn't exactly scream of naive innocent wallflower unaware of the birds and the bees does it???



You really don't find that suspicious in the slightest???


How do you know He Broke Up JT and Britney they both cheated on each other. And how do you guys know He screwed Mayte? Do you guys have anything evidence for both claims, or do you just assume.

And as another orger Said, it wouldn't mean that MJ didn't molest him.
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Reply #81 posted 03/15/19 5:12pm

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kremlinshadow said:

Are you purposely trying to be antagonistic and pedantic? It's quite obvious what was meant by the posting of the 'loophole'. If you were to do your own research you'd of found that robson/safechuck purposely waited and filed case when the satute of limitation had expired so they could not be prosecuted for perjury from previous court appearances/statements. And the only way they could get a chance at the money is to convince a case of not being aware that they were being 'abused', which is laughable as they are trying to make out at the age they are now that they only just realised abuse when they both went to counselling.

Wade a man who had broke up Britney Spears/Justin Timberlake by cheating with her. And also screwing Mayte while still with Prince. Doesn't exactly scream of naive innocent wallflower unaware of the birds and the bees does it???

You really don't find that suspicious in the slightest???


It's okay, let him waffle. He wants MJ to be a paedophile. Maybe he's looking for kinship. ---> NAMBLA that way.

If Rob$0n and $afechuck were telling the truth they wouldn't be caught up in so many lies.

So basically you're caling me a paedophile. You're sick in the head. A disgusting human being.

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Reply #82 posted 03/15/19 5:14pm

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RichardS said:

Cloudbuster said:


It's okay, let him waffle. He wants MJ to be a paedophile. Maybe he's looking for kinship. ---> NAMBLA that way.

If Rob$0n and $afechuck were telling the truth they wouldn't be caught up in so many lies.

So basically you're caling me a paedophile. You're sick in the head. A disgusting human being.


You've ignored every piece of evidence put in front of you except for those that have alluded to MJ being a peadophile.

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Reply #83 posted 03/15/19 5:23pm

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surprised no one has commented much on this but as far as credibility, safechuck seems way more credible than robson, robson just looks sleazy, i go by vibes and his eyes look like a liars. of course how a person carries themselves only has so much to do with it one way or the other but safechuck is doing a great job at appearing traumatized and has that thousand yard stare that ptsd/shellshocked people have, is it an act? that's my question.

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Reply #84 posted 03/15/19 5:28pm

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surprised no one has commented much on this but as far as credibility, safechuck seems way more credible than robson, robson just looks sleazy, i go by vibes and his eyes look like a liars. of course how a person carries themselves only has so much to do with it one way or the other but safechuck is doing a great job at appearing traumatized and has that thousand yard stare that ptsd/shellshocked people have, is it an act? that's my question.


He's not credible at all, he has lied repeatedly.

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Reply #85 posted 03/15/19 5:34pm

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PeteSilas said:

surprised no one has commented much on this but as far as credibility, safechuck seems way more credible than robson, robson just looks sleazy, i go by vibes and his eyes look like a liars. of course how a person carries themselves only has so much to do with it one way or the other but safechuck is doing a great job at appearing traumatized and has that thousand yard stare that ptsd/shellshocked people have, is it an act? that's my question.


He's not credible at all, he has lied repeatedly.

i'm looking for lies, besides the ones that he supposedly made to help michael, i need facts, not more shit to muddy the waters, both sides are putting out plenty of bullshit. so, he said he wouldn't testify at the second trial, is it a fact that he wasn't called? more muddy waters. pretty soon, it'll be so obsfucated that we'll never know one way or the other. get the boys lie detector tests, have them physically examined for anal scars, more proof less lip.

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Reply #86 posted 03/15/19 5:35pm

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RichardS said:

So basically you're caling me a paedophile. You're sick in the head. A disgusting human being.


You've ignored every piece of evidence put in front of you except for those that have alluded to MJ being a peadophile.

Facts.

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Reply #87 posted 03/15/19 5:37pm

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Cloudbuster said:


He's not credible at all, he has lied repeatedly.

i'm looking for lies, besides the ones that he supposedly made to help michael, i need facts, not more shit to muddy the waters, both sides are putting out plenty of bullshit. so, he said he wouldn't testify at the second trial, is it a fact that he wasn't called? more muddy waters. pretty soon, it'll be so obsfucated that we'll never know one way or the other. get the boys lie detector tests, have them physically examined for anal scars, more proof less lip.


There's two threads here that have exposed both Rob$on and $afechuck. Not sure what more you are looking for.

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Reply #88 posted 03/15/19 5:37pm

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RichardS said:

So basically you're caling me a paedophile. You're sick in the head. A disgusting human being.


You've ignored every piece of evidence put in front of you except for those that have alluded to MJ being a peadophile.

Untrue. You obviously haven't read all my posts. And even if I had ignored all the evidence, you think that justifies calling me a paedophile? That's a moral and just accusation to make, in your opinion? Because if it is, you have a very warped sense of what is just and moral.

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Reply #89 posted 03/15/19 5:38pm

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Cloudbuster said:


You've ignored every piece of evidence put in front of you except for those that have alluded to MJ being a peadophile.

Facts.

No it's a lie. You only have to read ALL my posts to see that.

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