PeteSilas said:

he's right, most of us fans need to chill it'll come and go and the people that want to believe he was a monster will, the rest of us, until some video or audio or photos or cosby numbers pile up, we shouldn't even waste our energy on it.

Free2BMe said:

bboy87 said: 👏

Pete, you're in the Seattle area right?

I suggested to Brad to bring his seminar out here again (He did in 2016 but I missed it) to either Seattle or Tacoma. He talks about the recording sessions, projects, and plays material like multitracks and video footage

bboy87 said:

PeteSilas said:

he's right, most of us fans need to chill it'll come and go and the people that want to believe he was a monster will, the rest of us, until some video or audio or photos or cosby numbers pile up, we shouldn't even waste our energy on it.

Pete, you're in the Seattle area right?

I suggested to Brad to bring his seminar out here again (He did in 2016 but I missed it) to either Seattle or Tacoma. He talks about the recording sessions, projects, and plays material like multitracks and video footage

ok, if he does let me know.

HBO Sets Premiere Date for The SHOCKING, Controversial, Scandalous, Revealing,Secrets of Michael Jackson in The Doc ‘Leaving Neverland!!

HBO will premiere the four-part documentary on Michael Jackson, “Leaving Neverland” on Sunday, March 3.

The pay cable network made the announcement during the television critics association press tour on Friday Feb 8th. The second part will air Monday, March 4.

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modified said:

'He WAS a pedophile.' M...aid claims she fished little boy's underwear from his Jacuzzi, found Vaseline throughout rooms at Neverland and he stashed VHS tapes of sex acts with children in secret library [Edited 2/8/19 13:15pm]

It's been long established that she was a liar

https://themichaeljackson...tions.com/

HBO Stands Behind Michael Jackson Doc ‘Leaving Neverland’: ‘It Will Air as Planned’!

HBO is sticking with its decision to release a controversial documentary about Michael Jackson in the face of criticism from the late pop singer’s estate.

“It doesn’t change our plans,” HBO programming president Casey Bloys told Variety Friday. “We announced the air date. It will air as planned.”

Directed by Dan Reed, the four-hour film tells the story of two men, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, who allege that the Jackson abused them sexually when they were children. The film drew praise following its premiere last month at the Sundance film festival, with Variety critic Owen Gleiberman calling Robson and Safechuck’s testimony “overwhelmingly powerful and convincing.”

https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/hbo-michael-jackson-leaving-neverland-1203133558/

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/michael-jackson-estate-wants-hbo-meeting-leaving-neverland-will-become-hbos-greatest-shame-10-page-l-1184415

The 10 page letter sent to HBO can be read here as well

Free2BMe said:

When Michael was alive, he always said there was a conspiracy against him. Fans, friends, and family believed him. Now that he is no longer with us, there is STILL a conspiracy against him. This entire mockumentary and those involved with it are part of the conspiracy. There is no other logical explanation. HBO knows these punk ass bitches are liars, and they don’t even care.🤬

Of course HBO is gonna run this in March, because they helped to fund this one sided hactchet job. IMO both the Jackson family and the MJ estate totally underestimated how dirty and resourceful Rob$on was gonna get, plus he has some powerful allies in the entertainment industy helping him out, eg. Tanara Burke from the #MeToo Movement who I might add didn't support Janet when all that stuff about CBS boss Les Moonves came out last year.......Selective Outrage?

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alphastreet said:

It is kind of weird that this is happening after some redemption for Janet and with her mentioning Metoo. I hope reporters leave her alone about the documentary

what's up with janet, i'm totally out of the loop. i do know that she didn't argue much with michael being a "junkie" in her interviews i always found that a little strange because don't they say that Michael wasn't heavily addicted at the time of his death? I know oprah wanted to fuck his image up but janet didn't fight it much.

PeteSilas said:

Free2BMe said:

PeteSilas said:

what's up with janet, i'm totally out of the loop. i do know that she didn't argue much with michael being a "junkie" in her interviews i always found that a little strange because don't they say that Michael wasn't heavily addicted at the time of his death? I know oprah wanted to fuck his image up but janet didn't fight it much.

She didn’t argue, because she was on TV perpetuating that he was an addict. She claimed that the family was doing “interventions”, but she said she was not involved in those “interventions”.Why bring that up DAYS after your brother was murdered, if you weren’t involved or knew the facts. There were no interventions, only the family, including Janet, badgering Michael to do a tour with them. Btw, the autopsy report said that there were no drugs in Michael’s system, other than what the murderer, Conrad Murray, pumped into him. [Edited 2/9/19 14:23pm] [Edited 2/9/19 14:25pm]

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

Free2BMe said:

PeteSilas said: She didn’t argue, because she was on TV perpetuating that he was an addict. She claimed that the family was doing “interventions”, but she said she was not involved in those “interventions”.Why bring that up DAYS after your brother was murdered, if you weren’t involved or knew the facts. There were no interventions, only the family, including Janet, badgering Michael to do a tour with them. Btw, the autopsy report said that there were no drugs in Michael’s system, other than what the murderer, Conrad Murray, pumped into him. [Edited 2/9/19 14:23pm] [Edited 2/9/19 14:25pm]

Janet knows her brother better than ANY of U. She knows whether her brother was a "junkie" or not.

from what i know, he wasn't involved in a lot of stuff in the end. I remember rolling stones article mentioned needle punctures riddling his arms and body but that sounds like it was untrue and doubtful whether they got to actually see the body anyway. from what I read, he was stressed the fuck out, trying to get sleep and foolishly using something like propofol to do it. It's another stupid drug death but it's not like he was fiending for morphine or anything. just another stupid misuse of drugs which people never learn from.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Free2BMe said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Janet knows her brother better than ANY of U. She knows whether her brother was a "junkie" or not.

Bullshit! She knew nothing. Even IF she did, there was NO reason for her to gleefully go on TV and say this about her recently murdered BROTHER. Stop being a damn hypocrite! If it were the other way around, you would be whining, and crying crocodile tears. People like you are so pathetic!

wasn't his entire family fairly out of touch? I know his dad claimed to tell him to watch his people, he was right there.

PeteSilas said:

Free2BMe said:

PeteSilas said:

wasn't his entire family fairly out of touch? I know his dad claimed to tell him to watch his people, he was right there.

Yes, he was out of touch with family, except his mother. The rest were badgering him to do a tour with them. They were threatening him if he didn’t that they would feed lies to the tabloid media, which Randy and others did. He not only had to watch other people around him, he had to watch his own family. No wonder he couldn’t sleep!😡

ya, the family was fucked, not ole randy though, baby brother fucked him? didn't know.

alphastreet said:

alphastreet said:

It is kind of weird that this is happening after some redemption for Janet and with her mentioning Metoo. I hope reporters leave her alone about the documentary

I doubt it, she along with MJ's kids and the rest of the family will be fair game after March 3. Because its not just MJ's legacy that will be affected from this Witchhunt, Trial by Media/Social Media and Hi-Tech Lynching.

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Free2BMe said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Janet knows her brother better than ANY of U. She knows whether her brother was a "junkie" or not.

Bullshit! She knew nothing. Even IF she did, there was NO reason for her to gleefully go on TV and say this about her recently murdered BROTHER. Stop being a damn hypocrite! If it were the other way around, you would be whining, and crying crocodile tears. People like you are so pathetic!

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saw someone online say they knew gavin arvizo and said he was made to lie by his mom, don't know if it's true but it'd be nice for him to come out and say it if it is.

the whole family, like many families are pretty fucked up. you got greasy jermaine and latoya who haven't always protected Michael. One of the big issues, is, like i said before, they are too passive, including michael. I understand it, i had a mean assed black stepdad and it fucked up my ability to be assertive, badly, but i break out of that when it counts, almost always.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Free2BMe said:

PeteSilas said:

wasn't his entire family fairly out of touch? I know his dad claimed to tell him to watch his people, he was right there.

Yes, he was out of touch with family, except his mother. The rest were badgering him to do a tour with them. They were threatening him if he didn’t that they would feed lies to the tabloid media, which Randy and others did. He not only had to watch other people around him, he had to watch his own family. No wonder he couldn’t sleep!😡

Randy was the mastermind behind the badgering Michael to tour. He kept harassing Michael and trying to break into his house. He was also the one behind the drug addict thing. The goal? Claim MJ was an addict and AEG, knowing about this, got him a personal no holds-barred doctor thus feeding him the venom, and pressured him immensely precipitating his drug use and leading to his death. This was the family's argument to sue (and get $) AEG which is why the junkie image was created.

As for Joe, don't be fooled into thinking for a second that he had Michael's best interests at heart. As soon as he heard MJ was going to do a set of shows, he kept harassing his son, sometimes spending entire days with his buddy Leonard Rowe trying to enter Michael's house and get a piece of the pie. He eventually managed to get a reunion with MJ where he pressured him, successfully, into making Leonard Rowe his manager for the This Is It shows, his own way of trying to get a slice. Michael then fired Rowe who sued him (with Joe in the background) for 300M$, meaning Michael was being sued indirectly by his father when he died. I even remember Leonard Rowe, standing with Joe Jackson at his side, comparing MJ to a cocaine addict.

This is the Jacksons. Remember all those negative tabloid news about Michael during his last months? Any guesses as to was behind them? Yep: the Jacksons themselves. Joe and his buddy Rowe tried to destroy the This Is It shows as soon as they realized there was no money for them selling stories about how Michael was uncapable of performing and how rehearsals were going horribly, etc. And our beloved Randy threatened Michael multiple times: "If you don't do what we want I'll go to the tabloids.". Rebbie, at least, was upfront as she explicitly backed Stacy Brown. Lovely family, ain't it?

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