This really says it all.

Kobe said:

This really says it all.

Yes, my son introduced me to this guy a couple of years ago.

modified said:

There is more great music than ever; Hiatus Kaiyote, Anderson .Paak, Kamasi Washington, Thundercat, Rhye, Fleet Foxes, Bon Iver, Dirty Projectors, Jacob Collier, Vulfpeck, Cory Henry, etc. Like Quincy Jones said, the Beatles were the worst musicians. Sgt Pepper is overrated. It was made by a band that was falling apart, losing interest and focus, guided by an older producer who wanted to record traditional English orchestral music. This video is typical old people complaining, stuck in the past. [Edited 12/20/18 22:26pm]

Funny because he explain exactly (with scientific proof) why it isn't just old people complaining.

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modified said:

There is more great music than ever; Hiatus Kaiyote, Anderson .Paak, Kamasi Washington, Thundercat, Rhye, Fleet Foxes, Bon Iver, Dirty Projectors, Jacob Collier, Vulfpeck, Cory Henry, etc. Like Quincy Jones said, the Beatles were the worst musicians. Sgt Pepper is overrated. It was made by a band that was falling apart, losing interest and focus, guided by an older producer who wanted to record traditional English orchestral music. This video is typical old people complaining, stuck in the past. [Edited 12/20/18 22:26pm]

"more great music than ever"?? WTF? You've got to be kidding me?? Sure, there is good music out there and there always will be, but your statement is completely false and so is Quincy's statement about the Beatles. Their music will love forever whether the haters like it or not. The music you've mentioned above will die out quickly.

modified said:

There is more great music than ever; than the general public really knows: Hiatus Kaiyote, Anderson .Paak, Kamasi Washington, Thundercat, Rhye, Fleet Foxes, Bon Iver, Dirty Projectors, Jacob Collier, Vulfpeck, Cory Henry, etc.

This is what I feel.

modified said:

modified said:

There is more great music than ever; Hiatus Kaiyote, Anderson .Paak, Kamasi Washington, Thundercat, Rhye, Fleet Foxes, Bon Iver, Dirty Projectors, Jacob Collier, Vulfpeck, Cory Henry, etc. Like Quincy Jones said, the Beatles were the worst musicians. Sgt Pepper is overrated. It was made by a band that was falling apart, losing interest and focus, guided by an older producer who wanted to record traditional English orchestral music. This video is typical old people complaining, stuck in the past.

I prefer to "live in the past" when it comes to music.Most of today's music is garbage.

As for Quincy Jones...he says alot of stupid things these days old age has made him crazy,lol

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mrwiggles said:

mrwiggles said:

728huey said:

mrwiggles said:

Pop music is and what it's always been. It's geared and marketed to a 13 year old girl. And you know what? These kids out here LOVE it. Every generation always disses the music that comes after them, me included. But like the Dr GC so succinctly says, whatever the older folks hate...that's gonna be the next thang.

I don't get how these "music today sucks" stories get by with comparisons of artists like the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Who, Jimi Hendrix, Bob Dylan, Jefferson Airplane, and the Yardbirds with obvious pop artists like Justin Bieber, Katy Perry, Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus, Ariana Grande, and Ed Sheeran. Outside of the Beatles and maybe the Stones, none of those other artists were considered mainstream at that time. That's showing a musical bias. There were plenty of crappy pop songs and crappy pop artists in the 1960's and the reason we don't hear much if anything about them now is because they were crap. For every "Hey Jude", "Sympathy for the Devil", or "Purple Haze", you had stuff like "Louie Louie", "Wolly Bully", "Sugar Sugar", "96 Tears", or most of Herman’s Hermits' discography. Sure, it's okay to complain about Max Martin and the Millennial whoop, but how is that any different from Phil Spector and his wall of sound in the 1960's, Giorgio Moroder's disco sound or the LA soft rock sound of the 1970's, or the Stock Aiken Waterman sounds of the mid to late 1980's? Every generation has its own sound and rhythm,and this Millennial whoop is this generation's musical signature.

Thank you for much needed perspective, which I try to express in these threads, but not as well as you did here.

Destiny does not agree:

modified said:

There is more great music than ever; Hiatus Kaiyote, Anderson .Paak, Kamasi Washington, Thundercat, Rhye, Fleet Foxes, Bon Iver, Dirty Projectors, Jacob Collier, Vulfpeck, Cory Henry, etc. Like Quincy Jones said, the Beatles were the worst musicians. Sgt Pepper is overrated. It was made by a band that was falling apart, losing interest and focus, guided by an older producer who wanted to record traditional English orchestral music. This video is typical old people complaining, stuck in the past. [Edited 12/20/18 22:26pm]

So great, that I have never heard of a single one you named.

Music is subjective, of course, but I sure can't name 1/20th as many good artists who are out there today vs. any decade from the '50's through the 80's.

Shucks, maybe "1/20th" is being overly generous but I figure there have to be SOME good musicians around these days. I could be wrong, though.

Dude makes a lot of factual statements but at the end of the day, the music biz is run by a bunch of nonmusicians accountant types whose greed factor and list of minimum talent producers/dj's have worked in concert 2 suck the life out of music. The public has been bombbarded with nonsense and don't even know it.

It's not unlike everything else in society.

Only a small percentage of the public....say 5%, is aware.

Here we go a-fucking-gain.

No one is saying there isn't any good music out there, "sigh". The thing is that the RATIO of good music vs. brain rot is different. There used to be a thing called a "one hit wonder", which is where most of the brain rot could be found back in the day. Not many brain rot type artists lasted very long and weren't shoved down people's throats like they are in the era of social media.

A Cardi or Tekashi would have had to compete with authentic artists on a more level field and would have been blown out of the water. Now the hype machine favors fake artists who are much cheaper to produce much like reality shows are cheaper to produce than TV shows with professional actors. We live in a fake era where even the head of state is a reality show star....wtf do you expect?

As I keep saying until I am blue in the face, the public are the only ones who can stop the race to the bottom. The suits will keep feeding us shit as long as they can get away with it.

I understand that each generation has its own soundtrack but I gotta say, more and more young people are trying to find real artists again. The tide is turning back toward genuine creatives with real talent and against fake media personalities like Jarquees. The thing that I wish the younglings would do is make their own damn music. If modern music is sooo great why is there still such widespread blatant biting from our generation? That goes for endless movie and tv remakes as well as music.

There are original young artists out there who don't get any recognition.

Luke James

Ro James

BJ the Chicago Kid

Jacob Banks

The Internet

Just to name a few.

Prince was already an international superstar and a legend with an army of fans by the time he went to war with the industry but these young emerging artists don't have that kind of leverage. All they have is us so I suggest you get busy if you're sick of the brain rot.

Oopsie! Forgot to say that people should NOT comment without watching the video because it's very important to understand what's happening instead of just assuming it's an old person stuck in the past. That is not what this is.

SoulAlive said:

modified said:

There is more great music than ever; Hiatus Kaiyote, Anderson .Paak, Kamasi Washington, Thundercat, Rhye, Fleet Foxes, Bon Iver, Dirty Projectors, Jacob Collier, Vulfpeck, Cory Henry, etc. Like Quincy Jones said, the Beatles were the worst musicians. Sgt Pepper is overrated. It was made by a band that was falling apart, losing interest and focus, guided by an older producer who wanted to record traditional English orchestral music. This video is typical old people complaining, stuck in the past.

I prefer to "live in the past" when it comes to music.Most of today's music is garbage.

As for Quincy Jones...he says alot of stupid things these days old age has made him crazy,lol

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Same. Live a little longer, and one sees just exactly how bad the music has become. As for Quincy, I tend to cut him some slack. He's not exactly crazy, but he is at that old age where he gives zeros effs about holding his tongue. The old can get ornery and refuse to have the same level of tact than they did when they were coming along

I didn't see the vid, but IMHO, the reason is because computers and music software got damn cheap, and millions of young people got hold of them. Kind of, removed the need to actually, you know, sing, or....learn to play an instrument. Today's music doesn't sound...bad, it sounds specifically like it's computer generated. Just my opinion.

oceanblue said:

So great, that I have never heard of a single one you named.

That was kinda the point. Go listen to those listed artists and report back if I am wrong.

Start here, a song that is better than anything produced in the 1960s, 70s or 80s - play loud, headphones:

Also try King Krule, Moses Sumney, BadBadNotGood, Ibeyi, Little Dragon, Lorde, Kelela, Julia Holter, James Blake, Passion Pit, Solange, Frank Ocean, Alabama Shakes, etc. etc.

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Agreed. So many more people creating music. Young people never had so many tools a their disposal. That goes for filmmaking and a lot of other professions too.

Thank you. Exactly. And it is not just tools in the technical sense. Kids now have so much information at their fingertips. They explore, go deep into music history, theory and technique - see scales and modes, circle of fifths on YouTube, etc. There is a serious jazz renaissance going on that is also feeding into pop music. Acts like Knower and Dirty Loops can superficially sound like millennial whoop crap, but are actually virtuoso musicians.

For the record, I am old myself, pushing 50. I hope I still have a few decades in me. Why whould you want to live in the past? Prince's main problem was that he lost connection with what was happening sometime in the late 1980s, when he moved into Paisley Park. Consider this; why was Prince not a central figure in the neo-soul movement, for example?

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Why don't people support local artists?

Ottensen said:

SoulAlive said:

I prefer to "live in the past" when it comes to music.Most of today's music is garbage.

Same. Live a little longer, and one sees just exactly how bad the music has become.

Exactly.

babynoz said:

Here we go a-fucking-gain.

No one is saying there isn't any good music out there, "sigh". The thing is that the RATIO of good music vs. brain rot is different. There used to be a thing called a "one hit wonder", which is where most of the brain rot could be found back in the day. Not many brain rot type artists lasted very long and weren't shoved down people's throats like they are in the era of social media.

A Cardi or Tekashi would have had to compete with authentic artists on a more level field and would have been blown out of the water. Now the hype machine favors fake artists who are much cheaper to produce much like reality shows are cheaper to produce than TV shows with professional actors. We live in a fake era where even the head of state is a reality show star....wtf do you expect?

As I keep saying until I am blue in the face, the public are the only ones who can stop the race to the bottom. The suits will keep feeding us shit as long as they can get away with it.

I understand that each generation has its own soundtrack but I gotta say, more and more young people are trying to find real artists again. The tide is turning back toward genuine creatives with real talent and against fake media personalities like Jarquees. The thing that I wish the younglings would do is make their own damn music. If modern music is sooo great why is there still such widespread blatant biting from our generation? That goes for endless movie and tv remakes as well as music.

There are original young artists out there who don't get any recognition.

Luke James

Ro James

BJ the Chicago Kid

Jacob Banks

The Internet

Just to name a few.

Prince was already an international superstar and a legend with an army of fans by the time he went to war with the industry but these young emerging artists don't have that kind of leverage. All they have is us so I suggest you get busy if you're sick of the brain rot.

Yeah, well around the time ...Baby One More Time came out, which many feel started the 'overcommercialization of music, hip hop was simulatneously just as commercial.

Who's to blame for that????

I'll tell you what music is awful, the backing music all the way through his video.

May as well judge the entire 60's based on The Seekers, Rolf Harris and the Archies because they had very popular songs at the time.

babynoz said:

modified said:

oceanblue said:

So great, that I have never heard of a single one you named.

That was kinda the point. Go listen to those listed artists and report back if I am wrong.

Start here, a song that is better than anything produced in the 1960s, 70s or 80s - play loud, headphones:

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For the record, I am old myself, pushing 50. I hope I still have a few decades in me. Why whould you want to live in the past? Prince's main problem was that he lost connection with what was happening sometime in the late 1980s, when he moved into Paisley Park. Consider this; why was Prince not a central figure in the neo-soul movement, for example?

I could not get past one minute of your lame Fugees imitators,
which were already Soul II Soul imitators themselves, which were already, etc...

Please go get a real, decent musical culture before you dare
speaking about "anything produced" in the most creative decades for pop,
or about your self-deluding "Prince's problems".

You sound like an old fart who'll listen to anything modern
for fear anyone notices his receding hair.
"Neo-soul movement"... Gimme a break.

The more you listen to stuff pre-seventies,
the more you understand how pathetic the music industry is (and it was bad already, from the beginning).
Most of it, if not all of it nowadays, is rehashing ideas that are fifty years old or more.

Everything has been said, the trouble with pop is that it's always the same fucking chord sequences,
the same fucking sonic recipees to which the untrained ear and brain goes "whoa".
Only now it's total cynicism, cynicism you can actually hear.
The kids love it, because that's the last corner left where to retreat.
But that's not rebellious at all. That's surviving a few months in the illusion of detachment,
before going back in line and get a bullshit job.
Pop music has never been so cowardish: its so-called "artists" are more than happy
to suck the system or give their ass, even in the smallest niche.
The capitalist notion of competition fucked their mind since their childhood.

It's not about artistic expression (the very concept is foreign, being totally absent from general education),
it's about egotism to the tune of something clearly identifiable,
something familiar with a bit of fake pizzaz copied from cult records long forgotten,
except by the cynical producer with a pool and an ex-wife bills to pay.

The only excuse the young public has, is society's fragmentation, and capitalism perverting everything and everyone.
Since the faucet never stopped, I don't blame them for not being able to go back to the sources.
I mean good luck. They have tons of trash to dig in. Some things may sound good and original,
but guess what, no, it's just a washed-out photocopy of some original, brilliant, dead in poverty artist.
But the ones that believe in the curation and the intellect are derided, because the system needs
for them to be considered an elite. Knowledge is the enemy. We don't want you to read the list of ingredients too closely.
Why bother when hundreds of Motown's Golden Age copycats (with their authentic Rhodes plug-in on, just like your phony example intro)
or dozens of seventies British punk imitations are at hand?

Pop has been dead for a good two decades now. And by pop I mean "popular". Everything has become a niche.
There are only 10 artists in the world (revealed in the present decade) whose sells are so ubiquitous
they can be qualified as having "popular" success, and they only produce inoffensive,
bland shit aimed at teen-agers or the housewife, stuff ideal to do the dishes, your errands or a jogging,
mass-consumption aural products, with prefabricated sounds, prefabricated emotions,
and always present, governing all, the underlying roman catholic fantasy of becoming the ultimate star,
the one that sits on Mount Olympus, the American Dream shtick again,
the one that makes all the hamsters turn frantically their wheels
in the hope they will someday be The One.
10 "ones" in, let's say, 3 billions Western World working ants.
There are greater odds in winning a Big Lottery Prize.

And what does all of this have to do with music?
Very, very little. Acquiring a critical sense takes decades,
but capitalism operates at the nano-second. An audio orgasm
will take you by surprise, it's not something you can buy.
It's something you will heard through the grapevine.
But the grapevine is dead, dried up by companies run by guys
who are friends with guys that run Monsanto. They don't give a fuck about educating.
« Here, have this crappy wine, or maybe some low-calories grape juice?
No worries, I'll come out with something you can buy. »

As someone reasonably said,
stop caring and go underground.

Prefer a Feast of Friends
To the Giant Family.

A-fockin'-men.

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