jaawwnn said:

Hamad said:

jNo worries, it’s the virtual world & communications can potentially suffer breakdown. Like I said, I’m a fan of The Pretenders but the fact that it is clumsy (like you pointed out), callous & most importantly false, kinda prove my gut feeling that it is stemmed from white privilege, because they simply can get away with it and sometimes even benefit from it. Had they ever been addressed about the song? If so, then not strong enough. For argument sake, let’s say the target subject in the song was Barbara Streisand & she somehow did a Pepsi commercial? Would it fly easily had she been reminded of the holocaust or the history behind Jews’ tribulations in the same strong judgemental language of the initial song? Could they afford being clumsy? Hell, would they even have a career after that? Lol something to think about.

I suppose i'm sympathetic to Chrissie Hynes because read any interview with her and she's mostly pissed off at anyone who makes rock and roll music who doesn't live like a rebel; she's not a theorist and I wouldn't want her to be. She was in trouble a few years back as well for saying something about women who dress in a certain way are asking for it. More clumsiness, but at least that one wasn't in song. Honestly, I wouldn't put it past her to write that Barbara Streisand song but I take your point, her career can and has survived these things.

I don’t know, the so-called self righteous “selling out” argument leaves such a bad taste on my mouth because it has always been historically selective and 9 times out of 10, it’s usually artists of color who happen to be at the receiving end of it, having to prove their integrity when they don’t have to. On top of co-existing in an already unforgiving & racist industry. [Edited 1/3/19 14:39pm]

Well i'll say i'm instinctively on her side because it does bug me when an artist sells out, and yeah taking the cash when you don't need it is selling out in my eyes. I didn't like when the Clash were used to sell jeans and I don't like when Prince is used to sell Capital One Credit. That's just me though. Besides, I still listen to all of them.

i think what you're referring to is the flack she took for expressing in her memoir that she deserved a sexual assault that was perpetrated upon her because she knew better than to have put herself in a victimizable position, saying essentially that she was hanging out with bad people who did those types of things and that it was her own fault for allowing it to happen.

peedub said:

i think what you're referring to is the flack she took for expressing in her memoir that she deserved a sexual assault that was perpetrated upon her because she knew better than to have put herself in a victimizable position, saying essentially that she was hanging out with bad people who did those types of things and that it was her own fault for allowing it to happen.

That's the one, yeah.