https://www.cbc.ca/news/b...-1.4826914

I am 100% positive that I have the answer to all these problems. I hope to one day be able to try it out in the real world.

SoulAlive said:

These days,I won’t pay a fortune to see anybody.My price limit is $100 or less.I love concerts,but the ticket price has to be reasonable.I refuse to pay scalper prices for *any* show and shame on Ticketmaster for their dirty tricks

There are local musicians at small venues where tix are affordable.

SoulAlive said:

These days,I won’t pay a fortune to see anybody.My price limit is $100 or less.I love concerts,but the ticket price has to be reasonable.I refuse to pay scalper prices for *any* show and shame on Ticketmaster for their dirty tricks

If the artist is coming to my city. I just go to the box office ahead of the actual day or week of the

show and purchase tickets and avoid Ticketmaster's ridiculous online processing fees. You know a lot of the old school acts you and I would go to see are far less than what a Bruno Mars or a Beyonce

would charge. I paid 86 dollars for 2 tickets to see Janet back in August. I'm glad it was outdoors

at an amphitheatre versus an indoor venue. The indoor venues tend to charge more as well.

phunkdaddy said:

SoulAlive said:

These days,I won’t pay a fortune to see anybody.My price limit is $100 or less.I love concerts,but the ticket price has to be reasonable.I refuse to pay scalper prices for *any* show and shame on Ticketmaster for their dirty tricks

If the artist is coming to my city. I just go to the box office ahead of the actual day or week of the

show and purchase tickets and avoid Ticketmaster's ridiculous online processing fees. You know a lot of the old school acts you and I would go to see are far less than what a Bruno Mars or a Beyonce

would charge. I paid 86 dollars for 2 tickets to see Janet back in August. I'm glad it was outdoors

at an amphitheatre versus an indoor venue. The indoor venues tend to charge more as well.

yep,it's wise to go the venue and purchase tickets there.They only charge you the price of the actual tickets and not all those ridiculous "service charges" that Ticketmaster adds on.And yeah,one advantage to seeing old school artists is the prices are much cheaper than the tickets to see a current "hot" artist like Beyonce.Plus,they have better music to perform anyway

I have bought almost every concert ticket through Ticketmaster since the god damn 1980s. I actually appreciate that there is a long standing brand I can rely on for reliable seating, consistant pricing, and customer service.

I think the service fee they charged was called a convenience fee at one time, and that's what they provide. You can go to them and not have to hunt down the venue or promoter.

I've never had them double charge my credit card, or mess up my seats, or had rude service.

I'd rather praise this institution. Ticketmaster gives me nothing but excitement in anticipation for a concert.

SoulAlive said:

These days,I won’t pay a fortune to see anybody.My price limit is $100 or less.I love concerts,but the ticket price has to be reasonable.I refuse to pay scalper prices for *any* show and shame on Ticketmaster for their dirty tricks

When did you see Fleetwood Mac last? Or Madonna! My god, she is the queen of ticket sales.

UPDATE:

Ticketmaster secret scalper program targeted by class-action lawyers

Legal fights brew in Canada, U.S. over news box office giant profits from resale of millions of tickets

https://www.cbc.ca/news/b...-1.4834668

RodeoSchro said:

I am 100% positive that I have the answer to all these problems. I hope to one day be able to try it out in the real world.

The answer would be personalized tickets. That would curb ticket scalper with a quickness. But that would mean effort. Effort no one wants to invest. That would also mean, that theys would have to take tickets back, should the patron not be able to attend the concert. Again hassle and (in their mind) possible loss of money.

But really, the problem is: Nobody gives a shit. Artists get paid. What the fans will have to pay doesn't concern them. As a solution to curb scalpers they most likely prefer to sell expensive tickets themselves. Just look at the various Platinum ticket offers, where you pay anywhere between 400 and 1500 for floor seats.

SoulAlive said:

phunkdaddy said:

If the artist is coming to my city. I just go to the box office ahead of the actual day or week of the

show and purchase tickets and avoid Ticketmaster's ridiculous online processing fees. You know a lot of the old school acts you and I would go to see are far less than what a Bruno Mars or a Beyonce

would charge. I paid 86 dollars for 2 tickets to see Janet back in August. I'm glad it was outdoors

at an amphitheatre versus an indoor venue. The indoor venues tend to charge more as well.

yep,it's wise to go the venue and purchase tickets there.They only charge you the price of the actual tickets and not all those ridiculous "service charges" that Ticketmaster adds on.And yeah,one advantage to seeing old school artists is the prices are much cheaper than the tickets to see a current "hot" artist like Beyonce.Plus,they have better music to perform anyway

Don't delude yourself into thinking you're not having to pay any fees there as well. Most of them are partnered with Ticktmaster or Live Nation or AEG. And they all have their pre selling fees. Also you're dreaming that only current artists charge outragous prices. It's most likely the old school artist, that charge those prices, Aerosmith, Rolling Stones, Madonna, Char, Janet Jackson... to name a few.

[Edited 9/23/18 16:19pm]

PatrickS77 said:

Char,

Cinny said:

PatrickS77 said:

Char,

She still alive???

luv4u said:

Cinny said:

She still alive???

Yes! 67 yo

Its one of life's little joys trolling scaplers on Stub Hub ... if I'm bored I wait for a big show to go on sale on the Friday morning, then as soon as the tickets re-appear inflated on Stub Hub or one of the other scalper sites an hour later I pick one of the greedy f*ckers and bombard them with questions, or purchase them drag my heals on paying.

Ticketmaster are pure c*nts and the sooner them and their little 'subsidiaries' f*ck off, the better this world will be.

PatrickS77 said:

RodeoSchro said:

I am 100% positive that I have the answer to all these problems. I hope to one day be able to try it out in the real world.

The answer would be personalized tickets. That would curb ticket scalper with a quickness. But that would mean effort. Effort no one wants to invest. That would also mean, that theys would have to take tickets back, should the patron not be able to attend the concert. Again hassle and (in their mind) possible loss of money.

But really, the problem is: Nobody gives a shit. Artists get paid. What the fans will have to pay doesn't concern them. As a solution to curb scalpers they most likely prefer to sell expensive tickets themselves. Just look at the various Platinum ticket offers, where you pay anywhere between 400 and 1500 for floor seats.

I don't know about that, but here is my idea:

Auction the best tickets. But a different kind of auction - a one-bid auction. It would work like this:

1. When a show is announced, the artist holds a one-bid auction
2. You place a bid for how much you would pay for a ticket (4-ticket max or whatever the artist is comfortable with)
3. There is a deadline for bidding, and you can only make one bid
4. After the deadline, you accumulate the bids and fill them from highest to lowest
5. Whoever bids the most per ticket gets filled with the very best seats; then the second-highest bidder gets filled; and so on
6. After all bids are filled, the rest of the tickets go on sale to the public

This accomplishes everything an artist could want:

1. ALL the revenue from the best seats goes directly to the artist/management

2. FANS buy the best seats
3. There will be little to no resale market for those seats because they've already been sold for the highest price the market will bear - except this time, they've been sold by the artist and not a scalper. This puts the ticket scalper OUT OF BUSINESS
4. Every fan can set their own budget. If you want to see Taylor Swift and $80 a ticket is the most you can afford, that's what you bid. No longer will you have to pay more than you want for a ticket. The only thing that will ever change is where the location of an $80 seat is
5. An artist can still set aside seats for fan clubs or special guests or whatever they want

If TicketMaster was smart, they'd institute this and they'd charge a percentage fee instead of a flat "convenience fee" for the bid tickets. I bet they'd make a lot more money if they did that.

.

[Edited 10/12/18 9:18am]

luv4u said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/b...-1.4826914

Buying a ticket for Saturday's Bruno Mars concert in Toronto was probably never going to be cheap, but what many of the star's 17,000 fans who scored a seat might not realize is it wasn't just scalpers driving up prices.

A CBC News and Toronto Star investigation reveals how box-office behemoth Ticketmaster uses its own bag of tricks — which includes partnering with scalpers — to boost its profits at the expense of music fans.......

************

AGAIN.

Ticketmaster has been pulling this shit as long as I can remember. Tired cheat steal-in asses need to be shut down.

Luckily free park and festavils/ street concerts now abound in Chicago, though out the summer. I saw my girl Jill Scott for FREE. this summer/

RodeoSchro said:

PatrickS77 said:

The answer would be personalized tickets. That would curb ticket scalper with a quickness. But that would mean effort. Effort no one wants to invest. That would also mean, that theys would have to take tickets back, should the patron not be able to attend the concert. Again hassle and (in their mind) possible loss of money.

But really, the problem is: Nobody gives a shit. Artists get paid. What the fans will have to pay doesn't concern them. As a solution to curb scalpers they most likely prefer to sell expensive tickets themselves. Just look at the various Platinum ticket offers, where you pay anywhere between 400 and 1500 for floor seats.

I don't know about that, but here is my idea:

Auction the best tickets. But a different kind of auction - a one-bid auction. It would work like this:

1. When a show is announced, the artist holds a one-bid auction
2. You place a bid for how much you would pay for a ticket (4-ticket max or whatever the artist is comfortable with)
3. There is a deadline for bidding, and you can only make one bid
4. After the deadline, you accumulate the bids and fill them from highest to lowest
5. Whoever bids the most per ticket gets filled with the very best seats; then the second-highest bidder gets filled; and so on
6. After all bids are filled, the rest of the tickets go on sale to the public

This accomplishes everything an artist could want:

1. ALL the revenue from the best seats goes directly to the artist/management

2. FANS buy the best seats
3. There will be little to no resale market for those seats because they've already been sold for the highest price the market will bear - except this time, they've been sold by the artist and not a scalper. This puts the ticket scalper OUT OF BUSINESS
4. Every fan can set their own budget. If you want to see Taylor Swift and $80 a ticket is the most you can afford, that's what you bid. No longer will you have to pay more than you want for a ticket. The only thing that will ever change is where the location of an $80 seat is
5. An artist can still set aside seats for fan clubs or special guests or whatever they want

If TicketMaster was smart, they'd institute this and they'd charge a percentage fee instead of a flat "convenience fee" for the bid tickets. I bet they'd make a lot more money if they did that.

.

[Edited 10/12/18 9:18am]

Great for the artist but sucks for the fans with less disposeable income.

Back in the day when people would line up outside the venues to buy tickets, the one thing they all had in common was their love for the artist they wanted to see. It was a great social experience and everybody was paying roughly the same price for a ticket, give or take a few 10s of bucks. A lot of people on this very site have shared many stories of meeting other fans and making friends in this way.

The next-level hustling that takes place nowadays is criminal (literally) and disparages fans who don't have a large amout of money. You shouldn't have to choose between your rent and some artist you want to see. Young adults shouldn't have to miss out on the experience of seeing the artists they are fans of because they couldn't save enough from their minimum wage jobs to go to the show.

Personalizing tickets prevents gouging but takes work. Your idea works for the artist but not so much for the fans. If capitalism is going to be the sole motivation for touring, then artists deserve to lose fans over it. This is part of how they control the industry and the recycling of artists.

Artist announces show.

Ticketbastard starts the ticket hustle.

Fan pays inflated ticket price.

Fan goes to show; doesn't feel like they got what they paid all that money for.

Fan is less enthused about paying that much for going to see that artist again.

Artist's popularity fades. Ticketmaster refuses to book the artist at larger venue due to lack of interest.

Artist does smaller venues.

Next artist with new experience comes along...rinse and repeat.

As long as AEG and LiveNation have control of bigger venues, they have a foothold on who plays where. The solution is artists having a management team book their own big venue shows with the venues but that ain't gonna happen in this day and age.

[Edited 10/22/18 3:47am]

RodeoSchro said:

PatrickS77 said:

The answer would be personalized tickets. That would curb ticket scalper with a quickness. But that would mean effort. Effort no one wants to invest. That would also mean, that theys would have to take tickets back, should the patron not be able to attend the concert. Again hassle and (in their mind) possible loss of money.

But really, the problem is: Nobody gives a shit. Artists get paid. What the fans will have to pay doesn't concern them. As a solution to curb scalpers they most likely prefer to sell expensive tickets themselves. Just look at the various Platinum ticket offers, where you pay anywhere between 400 and 1500 for floor seats.

I don't know about that, but here is my idea:

Auction the best tickets. But a different kind of auction - a one-bid auction. It would work like this:

1. When a show is announced, the artist holds a one-bid auction
2. You place a bid for how much you would pay for a ticket (4-ticket max or whatever the artist is comfortable with)
3. There is a deadline for bidding, and you can only make one bid
4. After the deadline, you accumulate the bids and fill them from highest to lowest
5. Whoever bids the most per ticket gets filled with the very best seats; then the second-highest bidder gets filled; and so on
6. After all bids are filled, the rest of the tickets go on sale to the public

This accomplishes everything an artist could want:

1. ALL the revenue from the best seats goes directly to the artist/management

2. FANS buy the best seats
3. There will be little to no resale market for those seats because they've already been sold for the highest price the market will bear - except this time, they've been sold by the artist and not a scalper. This puts the ticket scalper OUT OF BUSINESS
4. Every fan can set their own budget. If you want to see Taylor Swift and $80 a ticket is the most you can afford, that's what you bid. No longer will you have to pay more than you want for a ticket. The only thing that will ever change is where the location of an $80 seat is
5. An artist can still set aside seats for fan clubs or special guests or whatever they want

If TicketMaster was smart, they'd institute this and they'd charge a percentage fee instead of a flat "convenience fee" for the bid tickets. I bet they'd make a lot more money if they did that.

.

[Edited 10/12/18 9:18am]

Which is the most important thing about a concert and thus your idea bullshit. Only the ones with deep pockets get good seats and on top of that you can't even choose where you are going to sit. Fuck that.

BlaqueKnight said:

RodeoSchro said:

I don't know about that, but here is my idea:

Auction the best tickets. But a different kind of auction - a one-bid auction. It would work like this:

1. When a show is announced, the artist holds a one-bid auction
2. You place a bid for how much you would pay for a ticket (4-ticket max or whatever the artist is comfortable with)
3. There is a deadline for bidding, and you can only make one bid
4. After the deadline, you accumulate the bids and fill them from highest to lowest
5. Whoever bids the most per ticket gets filled with the very best seats; then the second-highest bidder gets filled; and so on
6. After all bids are filled, the rest of the tickets go on sale to the public

This accomplishes everything an artist could want:

1. ALL the revenue from the best seats goes directly to the artist/management

2. FANS buy the best seats
3. There will be little to no resale market for those seats because they've already been sold for the highest price the market will bear - except this time, they've been sold by the artist and not a scalper. This puts the ticket scalper OUT OF BUSINESS
4. Every fan can set their own budget. If you want to see Taylor Swift and $80 a ticket is the most you can afford, that's what you bid. No longer will you have to pay more than you want for a ticket. The only thing that will ever change is where the location of an $80 seat is
5. An artist can still set aside seats for fan clubs or special guests or whatever they want

If TicketMaster was smart, they'd institute this and they'd charge a percentage fee instead of a flat "convenience fee" for the bid tickets. I bet they'd make a lot more money if they did that.

.

[Edited 10/12/18 9:18am]

Great for the artist but sucks for the fans with less disposeable income.

Back in the day when people would line up outside the venues to buy tickets, the one thing they all had in common was their love for the artist they wanted to see. It was a great social experience and everybody was paying roughly the same price for a ticket, give or take a few 10s of bucks. A lot of people on this very site have shared many stories of meeting other fans and making friends in this way.

The next-level hustling that takes place nowadays is criminal (literally) and disparages fans who don't have a large amout of money. You shouldn't have to choose between your rent and some artist you want to see. Young adults shouldn't have to miss out on the experience of seeing the artists they are fans of because they couldn't save enough from their minimum wage jobs to go to the show.

Personalizing tickets prevents gouging but takes work. Your idea works for the artist but not so much for the fans. If capitalism is going to be the sole motivation for touring, then artists deserve to lose fans over it. This is part of how they control the industry and the recycling of artists.

Artist announces show.

Ticketbastard starts the ticket hustle.

Fan pays inflated ticket price.

Fan goes to show; doesn't feel like they got what they paid all that money for.

Fan is less enthused about paying that much for going to see that artist again.

Artist's popularity fades. Ticketmaster refuses to book the artist at larger venue due to lack of interest.

Artist does smaller venues.

Next artist with new experience comes along...rinse and repeat.

As long as AEG and LiveNation have control of bigger venues, they have a foothold on who plays where. The solution is artists having a management team book their own big venue shows with the venues but that ain't gonna happen in this day and age.

[Edited 10/22/18 3:47am]

Ticketmaster is not booking anything. Their only job is to sell tickets. At a price Live Nation and AEG dictates them. Live Nation and AEG are the ones booking artists.

But you're right, and as I said before, the only way to sell tickets at the price they were meant to be sold are personalized tickets. Everything else is bs and doesnt't work.

Cinny said:

PatrickS77 said:

Char,

Still, considered one of the best flamenco guitarist in the world.

KISS is charging $1000 tckets...