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Robert Glasper explains The Miseducated Lauryn Hill

“You Haven’t Done Enough To Be The Way You Are.” Robert Glasper Speaks On Lauryn Hill’s Mistreatment of Artists

20 hours ago | By Veronica Wells

https://madamenoire.com/1036190/robert-glasper-speaks-on-lauryn-hills-mistreatment-of-artists/

We’ve heard about the rumors surrounding Lauryn Hill and her strange behavior for years now. Hell, if you’ve attempted to attend one of her concerts in the past few years, you might have seen it firsthand. But those closest to the legendary rapper/songstress, those who have worked with her, have kept quiet…until now. Multi-Grammy and Emmy award-winning jazz musician Robert Glasper spilled all the tea.

He addressed quite a bit of the rumors, the allegations that she steal music and whether or not you can look her in the eye. See what he had to say below. When he sat down with The Mad Hatta Morning Show on 97.9, the host asked if there were artists who were known for their rude and reckless behavior.

I’ll say a name. You ready? Lauryn Hill.

Host: Why you do Lauryn Hill like that?

No. Why she do me like that? I did a show with Lauryn…this was 2008, I guess. It was for Montblanc Jewelry Corporation. She’s getting half a million dollars for this show. It’s a 20 minute show. My friend was the MD (musical director). He said ‘Rob, we’re doing a show in LA. You want to do this show?’ Mind you, two years prior she had been calling me trying to get me to come to her house to audition. I’m already a signed artist. I’m traveling the world doing my own thing. I don’t do auditions. So I was like ‘Sorry, I don’t do auditions. If you want me, you can listen to my album.’

She was calling me talking about ‘Can you play for me over the phone?’ No I’m not doing that. I’m like, ‘No but I do have albums out. Number one Jazz albums on the charts. If you like, you can check those out. I’m not auditioning. I’m not.

So then my boy’s like, ‘Yo Lauryn has a show in New York, do you want to play?’ So I said, ‘What’s the deal?’ He’s like, ‘We’re rehearsing for one week for a 20 minute show.’ So we rehearse a whole week, like 10 hours a day. Every day she comes in and changes the show, changes what she wants to do. Completely.The last rehearsal, she doesn’t show up. Her manager comes in and says, ‘Lauryn’s not really feeling the way you guys have been learning the music so we’re going to cut your pay in half. The last rehearsal. The day before the show. First of all, we weren’t getting paid that much anyway but understand she’s getting half a million dollars. So seriously? You’re going to take these five musicians and cut their pay in half.

Host: Do you feel like y’all were messing up though?

Not at all. It was a superband.
She has a thing of—she likes to fire bands. I can name you—I can rattle off 15 guys off the top of my head. She will go on tour with a band and in the city that they’re doing a show, she’ll hold auditions for her band. One of my boys flew to Japan to do shows in Japan. While she’s in Japan, she’s holding auditions in the hotel, in the ballroom for her band. That’s super gangsta! And nothing’s wrong. The bands are good. She gets the best musicians. She just has a thing.

Anyway, the last rehearsal they go around to everybody, basically like ‘If you’re not cool, you can leave.’ I didn’t need that gig. I’m making money of my own. I have my own career at that time. I was eating a beef patty, I’ll never forget it. And I said, ‘When I finish my beef patty, I’m going home so y’all can do what y’all need to do.’

But look, I’m the principle piano player. I know they need me. The gig’s tomorrow. So I’m like, I’m going home. I walk out. The manager runs— first of all, before she even came in, the MD, my friend said, ‘Just so you know, don’t look her in the eye and you have to call her Ms. Hill.

Host: So those rumors be true?

That’s 100 percent true.
One of the days at rehearsal, she said, ‘Robert, I need you to…’ and I said, ‘Ok Lauryn.’ Respect, I respect. You can’t come into a situation especially when you’ve already stolen all of my friends’ music. Miseducation was made by great musicians and producers that I know, personally. So you got a big hand off of music that you didn’t even write. You feel me though?

Host: Robert, you know she gon’ hear this?

100 percent. I’m ready. I don’t care because nothing I’m saying is a lie. Point to me where the lie is, then we can have a conversation. But if she looks at it, it’s 100 percent true— that’s why they got their money.

Host: That’s why she rearranges the music on the tour, right?

Yes! All kinds of stuff. I went into it knowing, ‘Okay, you steal music.’

Host: Who steals music?

Lauryn Hill. I’ve met Stevie Wonder and hung out with Stevie Wonder. I’ve met Quincy Jones and hung out with Quincy Jones. I’ve met Herbie Hancock, hung out with Herbie Hancock. If those three people can be cool, Lauryn Hill should be able to be cool. You haven’t done enough to be the way you are. The one thing you did that was great, you didn’t do… I’m out here.

She took the credit for making the classic album. Those songs were written by other people and they did not get their credit. She likes to take credit so she can become this super person. If you’re a super person and you’re that talented…

Host: …Do it again.

Do it! You feel me? She couldn’t tune her guitar in rehearsal. We were in rehearsal, she had my boy Benji tune her guitar.

She would come into rehearsal and say, ‘Benji, guitar.’ And just hold it out like this. And he would run and tune her guitar.

So anyway I leave rehearsal, I’m eating my beef patty, they run after me to the middle of the street. And they said, ‘What can we do?’ I said ‘ Before 4 o’clock you can wire all of my money into my account because now I don’t trust y’all. So if you want me to do this gig, you need to wire my money into my account within 30 minutes. That’s what you can do.’ So I waited. They wired the money into my account and then I went home. I didn’t do the other rehearsal because they already disrespected to me. But I came back for the show the next day.

Host: How did the show go?

It was great. It was 20 minutes.

But I will say this, there was one joyous moment that week. There’s a song called “Doo Wop.” So one day, she was just being a real…you know. So instead of doing “Doo Wop,” I went [opening chords for “Joyful, Joyful.”] She looked at me and sang a verse and a chorus of “Joyful, Joyful.” And then she looked at me and said, ‘Okay back to the…’ So for a minute and a half, we got the Lauryn…she normalized and became—so it’s in there. I really feel like she’s in there.

Something happened. People can change. I’m not sh*tting on her forever. But that’s the stuff that really happened and you’re going to have to take accountability for it at some point and then you’re good.

People can change. I hope she does change. She disrespected a lot of people. A lot of people. A lot of musicians with families.

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Reply #1 posted 08/14/18 1:29pm

Musicslave

No one responded because no one cares anymore and/or no one is surprised lol lol lol

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Reply #2 posted 08/14/18 1:46pm

SoulAlive

interesting interview

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Reply #3 posted 08/14/18 1:56pm

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Musicslave said:

No one responded because no one cares anymore and/or no one is surprised lol lol lol

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Yeah, no shit. It is interesting that someone finally has the stones to actually say it though.

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Reply #4 posted 08/14/18 2:19pm

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I thought she was crazy.
Like Sly Stone crazy.
But I never knew she treated people like shit.
Bet the rest of The Fugees have some great stories about her.
I would like to hear their beefs.
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Robert: She took the credit for making the classic album. Those songs were written by other people and they did not get their credit. She likes to take credit so she can become this super person. If you’re a super person and you’re that talented…

Host: …Do it again. nod

"If you're living, you've got nothing left to prove..."
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Reply #6 posted 08/15/18 8:17am

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54WECf1ioeY&t=1620s

Great interview. The whole thing. The Lauryn part starts around 27 minutes in.

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Reply #7 posted 08/15/18 9:36am

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purplethunder3121 said:

Robert: She took the credit for making the classic album. Those songs were written by other people and they did not get their credit. She likes to take credit so she can become this super person. If you’re a super person and you’re that talented…

Host: …Do it again. nod


We used to harp on D'Angelo for never following up. I think she needs a dose of reality (and NOT the kind she was sellin' on MTV Unplugged!)

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Reply #8 posted 08/15/18 9:48am

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He spilled some REAL info.

He rolled Hill like a donut.

Ouch.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #9 posted 08/16/18 1:39am

SoulAlive

neutral she really should have given those guys the proper credit and called them back again to produce a follow-up album.It appears that she (and her record company) were trying to make it seem like she was an amazing musical genuis who could do it all.She didn't need to do that...her own talents were quite impressive already.There was no need to overreach and deceive the public like that confused

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Reply #10 posted 08/16/18 12:57pm

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Just noticed Questlove changed his Twitter name to "Glasper's Beef Patty Chef" nuts

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StrangeButTrue said:

Just noticed Questlove changed his Twitter name to "Glasper's Beef Patty Chef" nuts




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Reply #12 posted 08/17/18 7:59pm

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I feel sorry for Lauryn. This behaviour is obviously outwardly projected symptoms of some messed up history and/or mental health issues. I wonder when and why she started to go off the rails? I think the Fugees met in college, I wonder what she was like then...?
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Reply #13 posted 08/20/18 8:58am

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nd33 said:

I feel sorry for Lauryn. This behaviour is obviously outwardly projected symptoms of some messed up history and/or mental health issues. I wonder when and why she started to go off the rails? I think the Fugees met in college, I wonder what she was like then...?



I have heard that extreme wealth and success tends to only magnify previous traits. Maybe Lauryn in high school used to bully others because she couldn't do much more than that until she found power to abuse.

If you ask me, it could not have been easy being the one chick in a trio with two men (Fugees) who actually produced. She probably had to fight tooth and nail to get the credit she deserved, because that is the real nature of the music business.

I know Wyclef said "her hands never touched the MPC" (sampler/drum machine) which in Hip Hop is primarily how producer or co-producer credit is achieved.

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Reply #14 posted 08/20/18 9:03am

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Something tells me Lauryn Hill has been raised/chosen to be spoiled and entitled, with her teenage beauty earning her a spot in this 1991 MC Lyte video, two years before appearing in Sister Act and just shy of signing a major label record deal all before turning 20?????????????

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Reply #15 posted 08/21/18 12:44pm

CynicKill

I don't know all I do know is that all I see are credits in the liner notes of Miseducation.

My intuition tells me that this album could NOT have been made without Lauryn Hill, and no "hip hop" album by a female has come close since.

And correct me if I'm wrong but does she have to touch an MPC to be classified as a producer? It was her project. I always got the impression that Lauryn wanted a certain sound and feel and she hired people who could deliver that. I can see her going to one of her people and saying,"I like this or that Bob Marley track. Can we get that sound or those singers for this track?"

Most importantly the writing, the lyrics, are all her. Content-wise that's the most important thing.

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Reply #16 posted 08/21/18 12:50pm

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But isn't Glasper's argument that if she is such a talented, prolific writer - how can she not do it again? Two discs of Unplugged, sure it likely launched Kanye West's solo career but she didn't even want to be on his track. His track alone outshined that entire project, people didn't even know it was her song when he put the Syleena version out, despite the bootleg having the Lauryn sample. It wasn't even that clever of a song "The Mystery of Iniquity".

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The only catchy song she did since Miseducation was the Surf's Up song "Lose Myself" and she rambled like a mofo on that one too, similar to Neurotic Society, the Joss Stone guest appearance, the John Legend guest appearance. Mumbled baloney disguised as filet mignon. She is the female Sly for the new generation.

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Reply #17 posted 08/21/18 12:51pm

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Mystery of Iniquity

It's the mystery of Inequity
Said it's the misery of Inequity
Said it's the history of Inequity
When it all
All falls down
Telling you all
It all falls down
Children
Eat your bread
Little children
Eat your bread
'cause it all
All falls down
Telling you all
It all falls down
Yo!
Ya'll can't handle the truth in a courtroom of lies
Perjures the jurors
Witness despised
Crooked lawyers
False Indictments publicized
Its entertainmentthe arraignments
The subpoenas
High profile gladiators in bloodthirsty arenas
Enter the Dragon
Black-robe crooked-balance
Souls bought and sold and paroled for thirty talents
Court reporter catch the surface on the paper
File it in the system not acknowledged by the Maker
Swearing by the bible blatantly blasphemous
Publicly perpetrating that "In God We Trust"
Cross-examined by a master manipulator
The faster intimidator
Receiving the judge's favor
Deceiving sabers doing injury to they neighbors
For status, gratis, apparatus and legal waivers
See the bailiff
Representing security
Holding the word of God soliciting perjury
The prosecution
Political prostitution
The more money you pay.. the further away solution
Legal actors
Babylon's benefactors
Masquerading as the agency for the clients
Hypocritical giants
Morally non-compliant
Orally armed to do bodily harm
Polluted, recruited and suited judicial charm
And the defense isn't making any sense
Faking the confidence of escaping the consequence
That a defendant is depending on the system
Totally void of judgment purposely made to twist em'
Emotional victim blackmailed by the henchmen
Framed by intentions
Inventions whereby they lynch men
Enter the false witness slandering the accused
Planting the seed openly showing he's being used
To discredit, edit, headed for the alleged
Smearing the individual fearing the unsuspected
Expert witness (the paid authority)
Made a priority to deceive the majority
Of disinterested peers
Dodging duty for years
Hating the process
waiting to be returning to their careers
Do we expect the system made for the elect
To possibly judge correct?
Properly serve and protect?
Materially corrupt
Spiritually amuck
Oblivious to the cause
Prosperously bankrupt
Blind leading the blind
Guilty never defined
Filthy as swine
A generation purin it's own mind
Legal extortion
Blown out of proportion
In vein deceit
The truth is obsolete
Only two positions:
Victimizer or Victim
Both end up in destruction trusting this crooked system
Mafia with diplomas keeping us in a coma trying to own a piece
of the "American Corona"
The Revolving Door
Insanity every floor
Skyscraping, paper chasing
What are we working for?
Empty traditions
Reaching social positions
Teaching ambition to support the family superstition?
When the Son of Podition is Commander in Chief
The standard is Thief
Brethren can we candidly speak?
Woe to the men
Trusted in the chariots dem'
Leaning on horses
They run their intellectual sources
Counterfeit wisdom creating the illusion of freedom
Confusion consumes them
Every word they speak it turns them out really white
Internally they absent of light
trapped in the night and bonded to the Cain of the night
Under the curse
Evil men waxing more worse
Faxing the first
Angelic being cast to the earth
It's time for rebirth
Burnin' up the branch and the root
The empty pursuits of every tree bearing the wrong fruit
Turning me ill
Let him who stole, no longer steal
Oh it's real
Surrender for Jehovah is real
How long will you sleep
Troubled by the thoughts that YOU keep
The idols YOU heap
Causing the destruction you reap
Judgment has come
Find it and return to the One
Abandon the flesh
Self-interest: Broadway to death
Pride and the Greed
Hide and subdividing the seed
The knowledge of Good and Evil is what caused us to lie
Caused us to die
Let your emotions be crucified
Renounce all your thoughts
Repent and let your mind be re-taught
You'll find what you soughtwas based on the deception you bought
A perception of naught
Where the majority remains caught
Loving a lie
Not realizing in Adam, all die
Loving a lie
Not realizing in Adam, all die
Loving a lie
Not realizing in Adam, all die
Loving a lie
Not realizing in Adam, all die
It's the mystery of Inequity
Say it's the history of Inequity
Say it's the misery of Inequity
When it all
All falls down
I'm telling you all
It all falls down

bored

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Reply #18 posted 08/21/18 3:38pm

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StrangeButTrue said:

But isn't Glasper's argument that if she is such a talented, prolific writer - how can she not do it again? Two discs of Unplugged, sure it likely launched Kanye West's solo career but she didn't even want to be on his track. His track alone outshined that entire project, people didn't even know it was her song when he put the Syleena version out, despite the bootleg having the Lauryn sample. It wasn't even that clever of a song "The Mystery of Iniquity".


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The only catchy song she did since Miseducation was the Surf's Up song "Lose Myself" and she rambled like a mofo on that one too, similar to Neurotic Society, the Joss Stone guest appearance, the John Legend guest appearance. Mumbled baloney disguised as filet mignon. She is the female Sly for the new generation.



Her freestyles in the nineties could get like that. Hell, even "Doo Wop" starts to speed up and get holier than thou in parts "the ones that pack pistols by they waist men, Cristal by the case men, still in they mother's basement"
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Reply #19 posted 08/22/18 1:49pm

SoulAlive

StrangeButTrue said:

But isn't Glasper's argument that if she is such a talented, prolific writer - how can she not do it again? Two discs of Unplugged....

Unplugged has some really interesting lyrics and ideas.I wish she had taken those songs and brought in the Miseducation producers to help her turn those lyrics into amazing songs.

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Reply #20 posted 08/22/18 5:14pm

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SoulAlive said:

StrangeButTrue said:

But isn't Glasper's argument that if she is such a talented, prolific writer - how can she not do it again? Two discs of Unplugged....

Unplugged has some really interesting lyrics and ideas.I wish she had taken those songs and brought in the Miseducation producers to help her turn those lyrics into amazing songs.

But since she didn't give Them CREDIT 4 THEIR WORK IN THE FIRST PLACE...... eek eek eek

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Reply #21 posted 08/23/18 2:33am

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StrangeButTrue said:

But isn't Glasper's argument that if she is such a talented, prolific writer - how can she not do it again? Two discs of Unplugged, sure it likely launched Kanye West's solo career but she didn't even want to be on his track. His track alone outshined that entire project, people didn't even know it was her song when he put the Syleena version out, despite the bootleg having the Lauryn sample. It wasn't even that clever of a song "The Mystery of Iniquity".

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The only catchy song she did since Miseducation was the Surf's Up song "Lose Myself" and she rambled like a mofo on that one too, similar to Neurotic Society, the Joss Stone guest appearance, the John Legend guest appearance. Mumbled baloney disguised as filet mignon. She is the female Sly for the new generation.


Comparing overrated Lauryn Hill who made 1 overrated and ultimately forgettable album to a legend like Sly is just BS. Lauryn Hill doesn't have anything that stands the test of time but Sly on the other hand has a lot.

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It’s bullshit to say she’s only done one classic album. “The Score” is one of the best albums of the 90s, no qualifiers needed. It’s obviously not a Lauryn solo work, but the whole album catches fire when she comes on. I think she got caught up in proving herself, post wyclef, and didn’t give credit where it was due. Mix that with a healthy dose of mental illness, and...I wouldn’t want to be in a room with her, let alone in her band. Good for this guy in holding his ground, and demanding his money.
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Reply #23 posted 08/25/18 8:33am

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JorisE73 said:

StrangeButTrue said:

But isn't Glasper's argument that if she is such a talented, prolific writer - how can she not do it again? Two discs of Unplugged, sure it likely launched Kanye West's solo career but she didn't even want to be on his track. His track alone outshined that entire project, people didn't even know it was her song when he put the Syleena version out, despite the bootleg having the Lauryn sample. It wasn't even that clever of a song "The Mystery of Iniquity".

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The only catchy song she did since Miseducation was the Surf's Up song "Lose Myself" and she rambled like a mofo on that one too, similar to Neurotic Society, the Joss Stone guest appearance, the John Legend guest appearance. Mumbled baloney disguised as filet mignon. She is the female Sly for the new generation.


Comparing overrated Lauryn Hill who made 1 overrated and ultimately forgettable album to a legend like Sly is just BS. Lauryn Hill doesn't have anything that stands the test of time but Sly on the other hand has a lot.

I love "Mumbled baloney disguised as filet mignon", and agree completely.

I disagree that Lauryn won't stand time, and Sly will. As someone born in 1980, I can say me and my friends adore Lauryn, and still play The Score and Miseducation regularly. There are articles about the inexplicable cultural fascination with Lauryn and Miseducation. Just today, there's an article in Time Magazine, and Spotify is celebrating Miseducation - 20 years on. The music did stand the test of time. On the other hand, I struggle to find any Sly - ANY SLY - that speaks to me. I know he's important, and nothing better underscores the scene in the movie when the main character gets into drugs, but the murk and the inpenetrable hippie / druggie culture of the late 60s / early 70s, is like music from a time capsule. I do love "If You Want Me To Stay", though.

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BlaqueKnight said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54WECf1ioeY&t=1620s

Great interview. The whole thing. The Lauryn part starts around 27 minutes in.

[Edited 8/15/18 8:26am]

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ForgottenPassword said:

Good to see BK still here. biggrin I've been away for a bit.

Not really. Just visiting. Thanks for the regards, tho.

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But this is all TRUTH and has been the legend about Lauryn. Glasper is not saying anything that the industry has not known about her, no one wants anything to do with her because of the issues that he is speaking on. Concert Venues are beyond hesitant even hiring her because of fears of cancelling a day before or showing up six hours late and treating fans like enemies and the venue even worse. The same goes for Fiona Apple i can tell you from first hand experience that NO ONE will book her and there is an effort to make sure of this because of her meltdowns and walk offs at shows. Glasper is not dismising what she accomplished he is just speaking TRUTH you are not stevie or herbie etc...so I agree she is not a legend or an icon and should not be given that staus because she has not earned it.


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Reply #27 posted 08/27/18 9:45am

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lastdecember said:

But this is all TRUTH and has been the legend about Lauryn. Glasper is not saying anything that the industry has not known about her, no one wants anything to do with her because of the issues that he is speaking on. Concert Venues are beyond hesitant even hiring her because of fears of cancelling a day before or showing up six hours late and treating fans like enemies and the venue even worse. The same goes for Fiona Apple i can tell you from first hand experience that NO ONE will book her and there is an effort to make sure of this because of her meltdowns and walk offs at shows. Glasper is not dismising what she accomplished he is just speaking TRUTH you are not stevie or herbie etc...so I agree she is not a legend or an icon and should not be given that staus because she has not earned it.

I agree with you.

What I take issue with is people acting like she wasn't the driving force behind the success of the project. And the idea that shady things were going on when all I see is nothing but credits when I look at the liner notes.

One album does not a legend make, but ironically it only takes one great album to be remembered.

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Reply #28 posted 08/27/18 5:05pm

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lastdecember said:

But this is all TRUTH and has been the legend about Lauryn. Glasper is not saying anything that the industry has not known about her, no one wants anything to do with her because of the issues that he is speaking on. Concert Venues are beyond hesitant even hiring her because of fears of cancelling a day before or showing up six hours late and treating fans like enemies and the venue even worse. The same goes for Fiona Apple i can tell you from first hand experience that NO ONE will book her and there is an effort to make sure of this because of her meltdowns and walk offs at shows. Glasper is not dismising what she accomplished he is just speaking TRUTH you are not stevie or herbie etc...so I agree she is not a legend or an icon and should not be given that staus because she has not earned it.

I agree with you.

What I take issue with is people acting like she wasn't the driving force behind the success of the project. And the idea that shady things were going on when all I see is nothing but credits when I look at the liner notes.

One album does not a legend make, but ironically it only takes one great album to be remembered.

It's not unheard of for artists to put their names in liner note credits when they haven't in fact made a contribution.

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Reply #29 posted 08/27/18 7:20pm

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CynicKill said:

I agree with you.

What I take issue with is people acting like she wasn't the driving force behind the success of the project. And the idea that shady things were going on when all I see is nothing but credits when I look at the liner notes.

One album does not a legend make, but ironically it only takes one great album to be remembered.

It's not unheard of for artists to put their names in liner note credits when they haven't in fact made a contribution.

My point is that everyone seems to be credited in the liner notes.

I don't see Lauryn Hill's name all over the liner notes is my point.

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