What was the raltionship between them like? Did they ever speak to each other? I only know Prince covered WHYDFML at concerts. He called her a "genius's sister", which was very mean. As far as I know, Janet didn't say anything about him after he passed away. I wonder if she dislikes him for what he said about her.

Moving to music forum

It's a big music world and no matter how big the stars, some just never crossed paths much, if at all.

Now I don't know if it's true or not, but I remember reading long ago, somewhere (I forget where) that when Janet used to be making music in Minnesota with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, that Prince tried to get with her, but she wasn't interested, and was kind of scared of him and thought he was weird. I don't know, maybe that's the reason Prince made the comment, who knows?

Jam and Lewis wanted Prince to sing "Love Will Never Do (Without You)" with Janet.They envisioned the song as a duet.

Didn't he once throw her CD out of the car infront of Jimmy Jam's (or Terry's) house because he was mad at them?

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

Is that pic real? I have not come across any pics of them together.

Goddess4Real said:

Is that pic real? I have not come across any pics of them together.

Photoshop: https://www.pinterest.com...935180585/

TrivialPursuit said:

Goddess4Real said:

Is that pic real? I have not come across any pics of them together.

Photoshop: https://www.pinterest.com...935180585/

Thanks, its a shame though.....it would have been nice to have at least one pic of them together.

at one point,they had the same hairstyle

Goddess4Real said:

FullLipsDotNose said:

What was the raltionship between them like? Did they ever speak to each other? I only know Prince covered WHYDFML at concerts. He called her a "genius's sister", which was very mean. As far as I know, Janet didn't say anything about him after he passed away. I wonder if she dislikes him for what he said about her.

Your answer lies in Jam, Terry's, Flyte Time's, and Janet's Twitter acounts 2 years ago.

..and some posts upon posts about this here, from a looong time ago.

google too.

jam and terry had a longstanding competition going back to their teens, it never ended, also, jam and terry stole their style form prince which they pretty much admit and a keen ear will tell you that some of the riffs on control were stolen from the prince and the revolution live show. few months ago, i got a great chuckle out of one of Prince's live perfromances from the mid to late 80's, he said "jimmy and terry, i don't want to hear this on your next album either!" as far as janet herself? why should he have any real opinion on her? she's not any kind of real artist or musician, if prince called her a genius' sister he was right.

PeteSilas said:

jam and terry had a longstanding competition going back to their teens, it never ended, also, jam and terry stole their style form prince which they pretty much admit and a keen ear will tell you that some of the riffs on control were stolen from the prince and the revolution live show. few months ago, i got a great chuckle out of one of Prince's live perfromances from the mid to late 80's, he said "jimmy and terry, i don't want to hear this on your next album either!" as far as janet herself? why should he have any real opinion on her? she's not any kind of real artist or musician, if prince called her a genius' sister he was right.

W.H.Y.D.F.M.L. Is stolen directly from Prince. He made it clear on many of his shows by reclaiming it.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PeteSilas said:

jam and terry had a longstanding competition going back to their teens, it never ended, also, jam and terry stole their style form prince which they pretty much admit and a keen ear will tell you that some of the riffs on control were stolen from the prince and the revolution live show. few months ago, i got a great chuckle out of one of Prince's live perfromances from the mid to late 80's, he said "jimmy and terry, i don't want to hear this on your next album either!" as far as janet herself? why should he have any real opinion on her? she's not any kind of real artist or musician, if prince called her a genius' sister he was right.

W.H.Y.D.F.M.L. Is stolen directly from Prince. He made it clear on many of his shows by reclaiming it.

sure, also, i thought escapade was stolen from i could never take the place of your man.

one thing control had that i absolutely loved was the drum production being right in your face, prince never had his rhythms mixed that hot. it was certainly really good music, stolen or not.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PeteSilas said:

jam and terry had a longstanding competition going back to their teens, it never ended, also, jam and terry stole their style form prince which they pretty much admit and a keen ear will tell you that some of the riffs on control were stolen from the prince and the revolution live show. few months ago, i got a great chuckle out of one of Prince's live perfromances from the mid to late 80's, he said "jimmy and terry, i don't want to hear this on your next album either!" as far as janet herself? why should he have any real opinion on her? she's not any kind of real artist or musician, if prince called her a genius' sister he was right.

W.H.Y.D.F.M.L. Is stolen directly from Prince. He made it clear on many of his shows by reclaiming it.

I always assumed it was him acknowledging his friends taking things out of his playbook, but not flat out stealing one of his songs

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bboy87 said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

W.H.Y.D.F.M.L. Is stolen directly from Prince. He made it clear on many of his shows by reclaiming it.

I always assumed it was him acknowledging his friends taking things out of his playbook, but not flat out stealing one of his songs

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everyone stole from him in those years, he always ignored it except with his own personal rivals.

PeteSilas said:

one thing control had that i absolutely loved was the drum production being right in your face, prince never had his rhythms mixed that hot. it was certainly really good music, stolen or not.

The mixing ideas for the "Control" album was also stolen from Prince. JJ admitted it recently. But both JJ&TL were both mentored by the best. So it was inevitable.That's why Prince drove by JJ's house and threw it out the window and drove off.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PeteSilas said:

jam and terry had a longstanding competition going back to their teens, it never ended, also, jam and terry stole their style form prince which they pretty much admit and a keen ear will tell you that some of the riffs on control were stolen from the prince and the revolution live show. few months ago, i got a great chuckle out of one of Prince's live perfromances from the mid to late 80's, he said "jimmy and terry, i don't want to hear this on your next album either!" as far as janet herself? why should he have any real opinion on her? she's not any kind of real artist or musician, if prince called her a genius' sister he was right.

W.H.Y.D.F.M.L. Is stolen directly from Prince. He made it clear on many of his shows by reclaiming it.

That is absolutely untrue. You believe what fans whipped up because he said "Who wrote that?!" on the Nude Tour when Rosie sang it (coupled with "Partyman"). Prince was calling out Jimmy & Terry as a friendly rivalry. It was tongue n' cheek. There are absolutely no records, copyrights, or registrations with Prince as writer for "WHYDFML". It doesn't even sound like a Prince song.

While Jam & Lewis were clearly influenced by Prince's sound, they also had a clear vision of their own production. They took the MPLS sound in a new direction after leaving Prince. Prince was always paranoid that they were giving away his (Prince's) sound, but that simply wasn't the case. When you hear things like the SOS Band, or Human League or Control, you cannot hear Prince doing those songs. Hell, "Nasty" is arguably the first New Jack Swing prototype, and that had zip to do with Prince.

Jam & Lewis's production style, use of synths, layering, and arrangement differed greatly from that of Prince. Prince never quite had that lush layering that Flyte Tyme put out. When you listen to something like "When I Think Of You" with its funky pop bass line, it's simplified chord approach and it's constant groove throughout, it differs greatly from jams like "Kiss", "Raspberry Beret" or "Anotherloverholenyohead" - songs that were produced around the same time period. Even Joe Jackson told J&L "I don't want my daughter sounding like Prince". They assured him she wouldn't, and she didn't.

It's like claiming Prince wrote "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough" because he performed it in 2010 and beyond after MJ died. The idea is ignorant (meaning it lacks proper information).

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PeteSilas said:

one thing control had that i absolutely loved was the drum production being right in your face, prince never had his rhythms mixed that hot. it was certainly really good music, stolen or not.

The mixing ideas for the "Control" album was also stolen from Prince. JJ admitted it recently. But both JJ&TL were both mentored by the best. So it was inevitable.That's why Prince drove by JJ's house and threw it out the window and drove off.

oh that's right, i forgot, as morris would say "such nastiness".

you're wrong, when joe jackson said that he was talking about nasty lyrics and even there momma jackson wasn't happy with all that moaning shit janet did at the end. the live riff i referred to that they stole was the one from possessed in the live version. they stole plenty, jam called their sound "a prince sound" and never denied the link. they were great producers, probably had more actual hits than prince and they were nice guys but they got a lot from the great one.

TrivialPursuit said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

W.H.Y.D.F.M.L. Is stolen directly from Prince. He made it clear on many of his shows by reclaiming it.

That is absolutely untrue. You believe what fans whipped up because he said "Who wrote that?!" on the Nude Tour when Rosie sang it (coupled with "Partyman"). Prince was calling out Jimmy & Terry as a friendly rivalry. It was tongue n' cheek. There are absolutely no records, copyrights, or registrations with Prince as writer for "WHYDFML". It doesn't even sound like a Prince song.

While Jam & Lewis were clearly influenced by Prince's sound, they also had a clear vision of their own production. They took the MPLS sound in a new direction after leaving Prince. Prince was always paranoid that they were giving away his (Prince's) sound, but that simply wasn't the case. When you hear things like the SOS Band, or Human League or Control, you cannot hear Prince doing those songs. Hell, "Nasty" is arguably the first New Jack Swing prototype, and that had zip to do with Prince.

Jam & Lewis's production style, use of synths, layering, and arrangement differed greatly from that of Prince. Prince never quite had that lush layering that Flyte Tyme put out. When you listen to something like "When I Think Of You" with its funky pop bass line, it's simplified chord approach and it's constant groove throughout, it differs greatly from jams like "Kiss", "Raspberry Beret" or "Anotherloverholenyohead" - songs that were produced around the same time period. Even Joe Jackson told J&L "I don't want my daughter sounding like Prince". They assured him she wouldn't, and she didn't.

It's like claiming Prince wrote "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough" because he performed it in 2010 and beyond after MJ died. The idea is ignorant (meaning it lacks proper information).

also, i'd never seen the long version of control, i saw jerome in it, supposedly that's why P fired him.

PeteSilas said:

you're wrong, when joe jackson said that he was talking about nasty lyrics and even there momma jackson wasn't happy with all that moaning shit janet did at the end. the live riff i referred to that they stole was the one from possessed in the live version. they stole plenty, jam called their sound "a prince sound" and never denied the link. they were great producers, probably had more actual hits than prince and they were nice guys but they got a lot from the great one.

TrivialPursuit said:

That is absolutely untrue. You believe what fans whipped up because he said "Who wrote that?!" on the Nude Tour when Rosie sang it (coupled with "Partyman"). Prince was calling out Jimmy & Terry as a friendly rivalry. It was tongue n' cheek. There are absolutely no records, copyrights, or registrations with Prince as writer for "WHYDFML". It doesn't even sound like a Prince song.

While Jam & Lewis were clearly influenced by Prince's sound, they also had a clear vision of their own production. They took the MPLS sound in a new direction after leaving Prince. Prince was always paranoid that they were giving away his (Prince's) sound, but that simply wasn't the case. When you hear things like the SOS Band, or Human League or Control, you cannot hear Prince doing those songs. Hell, "Nasty" is arguably the first New Jack Swing prototype, and that had zip to do with Prince.

Jam & Lewis's production style, use of synths, layering, and arrangement differed greatly from that of Prince. Prince never quite had that lush layering that Flyte Tyme put out. When you listen to something like "When I Think Of You" with its funky pop bass line, it's simplified chord approach and it's constant groove throughout, it differs greatly from jams like "Kiss", "Raspberry Beret" or "Anotherloverholenyohead" - songs that were produced around the same time period. Even Joe Jackson told J&L "I don't want my daughter sounding like Prince". They assured him she wouldn't, and she didn't.

It's like claiming Prince wrote "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough" because he performed it in 2010 and beyond after MJ died. The idea is ignorant (meaning it lacks proper information).

Exactly! He has no idea what he's talking about. In fact when I first heard the first chords of W.H.Y.D.F.M.L. I thought it was Prince. Until Janet's vocals kicked in. Then I thought Prince produced it. JJ admitted that his method of recording the "Control" album was taken directly from Prince. These people have nerve to try to school me on anything.

Prince even threw the "Control" cassette out of his car in front of JJ's house. That doesn't sound like a "friendly rivalry" to me! In fact Jimmy said he was VERY hurt about it.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PeteSilas said:

you're wrong, when joe jackson said that he was talking about nasty lyrics and even there momma jackson wasn't happy with all that moaning shit janet did at the end. the live riff i referred to that they stole was the one from possessed in the live version. they stole plenty, jam called their sound "a prince sound" and never denied the link. they were great producers, probably had more actual hits than prince and they were nice guys but they got a lot from the great one.

Exactly! He has no idea what he's talking about. In fact when I first heard the first chords of W.H.Y.D.F.M.L. I thought it was Prince...

If you think WHYDFML was a Prince song, you don't know Prince music, or Flyte Tyme music. That means you have zero clue about anything. I can't even take you seriously on this one.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PeteSilas said:

you're wrong, when joe jackson said that he was talking about nasty lyrics and even there momma jackson wasn't happy with all that moaning shit janet did at the end. the live riff i referred to that they stole was the one from possessed in the live version. they stole plenty, jam called their sound "a prince sound" and never denied the link. they were great producers, probably had more actual hits than prince and they were nice guys but they got a lot from the great one.

Exactly! He has no idea what he's talking about. In fact when I first heard the first chords of W.H.Y.D.F.M.L. I thought it was Prince. Until Janet's vocals kicked in. Then I thought Prince produced it. JJ admitted that his method of recording the "Control" album was taken directly from Prince. These people have nerve to try to school me on anything.

Prince even threw the "Control" cassette out of his car in front of JJ's house. That doesn't sound like a "friendly rivalry" to me! In fact Jimmy said he was VERY hurt about it.

Bull.Jam and Lewis developed their own sound and it doesn't sound anything like Prince.Keep in mind that,when Control came out,Prince was experimenting with orchestras and shit he wasn't even really doing "the Minneapolis sound" at that point,anymore.If Prince really did throw the Control cassette out of his car window,it's because (let's be honest),he was starting to see his ex-proteges have major success and he didn't like that.