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Reply #60 posted 07/23/18 2:28am

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paisleypark4 said:

Heartbreak City is so sad. Cut me down the middle Fucked me up a little Let u in my house Had your way with everything And left me with your mess Or something along those lines lol. Brahim was a moocher and a golddigging slut. Glad she got rid of him. Thats what you get trying to date these young men and they aint got a pot to piss in


My fave song on the last album, one of her best ... for me it was the high point of the Rebel Heart live show when she mashed it with Love Don't Live Here Anymore ... was gutted that didn't make it on to the live CD of the show.

Difficult to say without knowing the full details, but I'd hope that Madonna was more wisened than to fall for an idiot like that. Her fans just want to see her happy, so its disappointing when she dates someone that's a complete a-hole.


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Reply #61 posted 07/23/18 4:26am

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DaveT said:

paisleypark4 said:

Heartbreak City is so sad. Cut me down the middle Fucked me up a little Let u in my house Had your way with everything And left me with your mess Or something along those lines lol. Brahim was a moocher and a golddigging slut. Glad she got rid of him. Thats what you get trying to date these young men and they aint got a pot to piss in


My fave song on the last album, one of her best ... for me it was the high point of the Rebel Heart live show when she mashed it with Love Don't Live Here Anymore ... was gutted that didn't make it on to the live CD of the show.

Difficult to say without knowing the full details, but I'd hope that Madonna was more wisened than to fall for an idiot like that. Her fans just want to see her happy, so its disappointing when she dates someone that's a complete a-hole.


I think sometimes people read too much into her lyrics. Just because she writes a sad heartbroken song doesn't mean it's 100% autobiographical.

I know this sounds like a terrible thing to say, but I think a lot of artists make better music out of painful sad experiences than happy ones. To me when artists are happy in their lives their music becomes a bit boring. I guess it's just my personality, but I don't really love happy uplifting songs.

A perfect example is Tori Amos whom I love. I'm glad she's happily married with her daughter now, but her recent music is so bland. I miss the troubled passionate Tori of the 90's!

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Reply #62 posted 07/23/18 4:31am

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I got in to Madonna all those years ago because of her dance music ... she's always been about dancing and the dancefloor, and I hope that never changes.

However, M use to find trends in the clubs then bring that to her albums, so they felt kinda fresh, like when she brought voguing in to the mainstream, or when she brought trance sounds off the European dancefloors in 1998 for the Ray of Light album. Her last few albums have just jumped on the EDM bandwagon though. That sound was old hat before MDNA came out, let alone now.

If she could get back to being more ahead of the curve rather than behind it, I'd be happy. That's why I hoped she might find the synthwave sound that was bubbling under three years ago ... it had big 80s throwback sound which would have been such a perfect fit for her. If she does it now folks will just say she's jumping on the 80s nostalgia bandwagon.


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To me, a good song is a good song. I don't buy into the whole dated or being ahead or behind the curve thing. It's hard to be fresh now, because as soon as a new sound comes out it spreads so quickly online unlike in the 90's. People hear something so quickly that the whole ahead or behind the curve thing is kind of passe now and really the wrong way to look at music.

I'm kind of tired of the whole 80's thing. Yes, Madonna is an 80's icon, but since she came up in that time I think it would be going backwards to try to do any type of 80's sound.

I really like the idea of her incorporating some kind of world music influence but mixed with a dance sound.

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Reply #63 posted 07/23/18 5:41am

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Glindathegood said:

DaveT said:


My fave song on the last album, one of her best ... for me it was the high point of the Rebel Heart live show when she mashed it with Love Don't Live Here Anymore ... was gutted that didn't make it on to the live CD of the show.

Difficult to say without knowing the full details, but I'd hope that Madonna was more wisened than to fall for an idiot like that. Her fans just want to see her happy, so its disappointing when she dates someone that's a complete a-hole.


I think sometimes people read too much into her lyrics. Just because she writes a sad heartbroken song doesn't mean it's 100% autobiographical.

I know this sounds like a terrible thing to say, but I think a lot of artists make better music out of painful sad experiences than happy ones. To me when artists are happy in their lives their music becomes a bit boring. I guess it's just my personality, but I don't really love happy uplifting songs.

A perfect example is Tori Amos whom I love. I'm glad she's happily married with her daughter now, but her recent music is so bland. I miss the troubled passionate Tori of the 90's!


You may be right ... as I said, without knowing the full details we can't say for sure. From what I see in the press though, M doesn't seem to have had much luck with the lads in the last few years. Hope I'm wrong though.

Totally agree with you on life experiences and the quality of music (Like A Prayer, arguably M's best album ... her first post Sean Penn divorce). Generally speaking, an artist's first couple of albums tend to be the ones I like the most (though not always). There's more passion / anger / emotion there, whether it be the drive to succeed and "make it" still being alive or life tribulations still being recent.

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Reply #64 posted 07/23/18 5:49am

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DaveT said:

I got in to Madonna all those years ago because of her dance music ... she's always been about dancing and the dancefloor, and I hope that never changes.

However, M use to find trends in the clubs then bring that to her albums, so they felt kinda fresh, like when she brought voguing in to the mainstream, or when she brought trance sounds off the European dancefloors in 1998 for the Ray of Light album. Her last few albums have just jumped on the EDM bandwagon though. That sound was old hat before MDNA came out, let alone now.

If she could get back to being more ahead of the curve rather than behind it, I'd be happy. That's why I hoped she might find the synthwave sound that was bubbling under three years ago ... it had big 80s throwback sound which would have been such a perfect fit for her. If she does it now folks will just say she's jumping on the 80s nostalgia bandwagon.


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To me, a good song is a good song. I don't buy into the whole dated or being ahead or behind the curve thing. It's hard to be fresh now, because as soon as a new sound comes out it spreads so quickly online unlike in the 90's. People hear something so quickly that the whole ahead or behind the curve thing is kind of passe now and really the wrong way to look at music.

I'm kind of tired of the whole 80's thing. Yes, Madonna is an 80's icon, but since she came up in that time I think it would be going backwards to try to do any type of 80's sound.

I really like the idea of her incorporating some kind of world music influence but mixed with a dance sound.


That's just a personal taste thing for me ... I was really digging the likes of Droid Bishop, Kavinsky, Chrvrches, Ladyhawke, The XX and others couple of years back (I still am). They leaned quite a bit on 80s synths and sounds ... I'd have loved it if Madonna tapped in to that and made an album in that style. If it sounds good I'm not bothered about whether its considered going backwards or not.

Again, that's just me, but I think it would have also won her more plaudits than the rather generic EDM of MDNA and parts of Rebel Heart.

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Reply #65 posted 07/23/18 8:19am

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Glindathegood said:

DaveT said:


My fave song on the last album, one of her best ... for me it was the high point of the Rebel Heart live show when she mashed it with Love Don't Live Here Anymore ... was gutted that didn't make it on to the live CD of the show.

Difficult to say without knowing the full details, but I'd hope that Madonna was more wisened than to fall for an idiot like that. Her fans just want to see her happy, so its disappointing when she dates someone that's a complete a-hole.


I think sometimes people read too much into her lyrics. Just because she writes a sad heartbroken song doesn't mean it's 100% autobiographical.

I know this sounds like a terrible thing to say, but I think a lot of artists make better music out of painful sad experiences than happy ones. To me when artists are happy in their lives their music becomes a bit boring. I guess it's just my personality, but I don't really love happy uplifting songs.

A perfect example is Tori Amos whom I love. I'm glad she's happily married with her daughter now, but her recent music is so bland. I miss the troubled passionate Tori of the 90's!

I did love that mashup into LDLHA. I am going to bet for $1000 that those songs on heartbreak on Rebel Heart were about him just as much as Miles Away was about Guy Richie. She has been semi autobiographical in her songs since Bedtime Stories. I agree that the more pain you go through themore creative your outcome is. Look at Taylor Swift making a career out of writing about her exes.

Check out this cool article from Billboard saying Hard Candy was her last best album.


https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/8401373/madonna-hard-candy-10-year-anniversary-last-great-album

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Reply #66 posted 07/23/18 11:10am

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dancerella said:
So what is she supposed to do then? Record songs that sound 50 years out of date?
You do bring up a good point.

Sone artists don’t like to be stuck in a box.They prefer to grow and evolve.There are fans who want Madonna to record another Ray Of Light or another Like A Prayer,as if it were that easy biggrin Times have changed,sounds have changed.

The entire musical landscape is different.


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Reply #67 posted 07/23/18 11:38am

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People always go on and on about her being more mature, not doing electronica or not following trends.

But dance/electronic music and contemporary sounds has always been at the heart of who she is.

I think the challenge is how does she mature, but not stop being Madonna!

Too many people want her to change to being a totally different type of artist just because she is older. They bring up older rock artists like Bruce Springsteen who has zero in common with Madonna.

I really enjoyed the diversity of sounds on Rebel Heart. I thought it was one of her better albums. A shame it leaked out early online.

I think world music could be a good direction for her. Something slightly different but something she could credibly pull off. She has done nice world music elements on her tours.

The only concern I have is all this fuss about cultural appropriation which supposedly means you aren't allowed to do music outside your race or culture which is one of the worst things to happen to artistic freedom. I hope if she does world music there's no kind of backlash from the cultural warriors.


I got in to Madonna all those years ago because of her dance music ... she's always been about dancing and the dancefloor, and I hope that never changes.

However, M use to find trends in the clubs then bring that to her albums, so they felt kinda fresh, like when she brought voguing in to the mainstream, or when she brought trance sounds off the European dancefloors in 1998 for the Ray of Light album. Her last few albums have just jumped on the EDM bandwagon though. That sound was old hat before MDNA came out, let alone now.

If she could get back to being more ahead of the curve rather than behind it, I'd be happy.
That's why I hoped she might find the synthwave sound that was bubbling under three years ago ... it had big 80s throwback sound which would have been such a perfect fit for her. If she does it now folks will just say she's jumping on the 80s nostalgia bandwagon.


The thing is....I don't really think that there is any way that Madonna can be "ahead of the curve",musically.There's no more ground to be broken.She's a pop/dance artist and there just really isn't anything new,bold or groundbreaking going on in that genre.I hate to say this,but music is pretty much at a standstill right now and it's been this way for at least the last ten years or so.The only thing I expect from Madonna (and any other veteran artists that I like) is simply a good album.I don't expect it to be some big,epic,groundbreaking album that totally reinvents the wheel,lol.

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Reply #68 posted 07/23/18 11:48am

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paisleypark4 said:


Check out this cool article from Billboard saying Hard Candy was her last best album.


https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/8401373/madonna-hard-candy-10-year-anniversary-last-great-album

interesting article! biggrin

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Reply #69 posted 07/24/18 2:05am

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SoulAlive said:

paisleypark4 said:


Check out this cool article from Billboard saying Hard Candy was her last best album.


https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/8401373/madonna-hard-candy-10-year-anniversary-last-great-album

interesting article! biggrin


"There is no filler. There are no bad tracks."

I enjoyed Hard Candy as much as the next Madonna fan, but this is clearly not the case. Voices, Spanish Lesson, Incredible definitely filler, arguably bad. And there aren't enough great songs on the album IMO ... Miles Away is the only one I'd put up there. Most tellingly the only track from the album to be used on subsequent tours was Candy Shop, and even then it was in an improved remixed form (the Rebel Heart Tour version was so much better than the HC album version).

I'd give the article A- for effort, D for achievement lol

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Reply #70 posted 07/24/18 2:35am

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overall,I think the Pharrell tracks are a much better fit for Madonna,but the album's best track is the Timbaland-produced "Miles Away".

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Reply #71 posted 07/24/18 6:03am

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The thing is....I don't really think that there is any way that Madonna can be "ahead of the curve",musically.There's no more ground to be broken.She's a pop/dance artist and there just really isn't anything new,bold or groundbreaking going on in that genre.I hate to say this,but music is pretty much at a standstill right now and it's been this way for at least the last ten years or so.The only thing I expect from Madonna (and any other veteran artists that I like) is simply a good album.I don't expect it to be some big,epic,groundbreaking album that totally reinvents the wheel,lol.

I agree. As I said before if anyone comes up with something new, it immediately gets spread online so by the time you finish an album it's considered old hat by people. It's hard to be underground and undiscovered anymore.

I really want her to do a world music African influence. That has been done before, but something slightly different for her, but still very Madonna.

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Reply #72 posted 07/24/18 8:50am

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SoulAlive said:

DaveT said:


I got in to Madonna all those years ago because of her dance music ... she's always been about dancing and the dancefloor, and I hope that never changes.

However, M use to find trends in the clubs then bring that to her albums, so they felt kinda fresh, like when she brought voguing in to the mainstream, or when she brought trance sounds off the European dancefloors in 1998 for the Ray of Light album. Her last few albums have just jumped on the EDM bandwagon though. That sound was old hat before MDNA came out, let alone now.

If she could get back to being more ahead of the curve rather than behind it, I'd be happy.
That's why I hoped she might find the synthwave sound that was bubbling under three years ago ... it had big 80s throwback sound which would have been such a perfect fit for her. If she does it now folks will just say she's jumping on the 80s nostalgia bandwagon.


The thing is....I don't really think that there is any way that Madonna can be "ahead of the curve",musically.There's no more ground to be broken.She's a pop/dance artist and there just really isn't anything new,bold or groundbreaking going on in that genre.I hate to say this,but music is pretty much at a standstill right now and it's been this way for at least the last ten years or so.The only thing I expect from Madonna (and any other veteran artists that I like) is simply a good album.I don't expect it to be some big,epic,groundbreaking album that totally reinvents the wheel,lol.


They said that about pop at the end of the 70s/early 80s before rap and "r'n'b" came along ... about rock at the end of the 80s before Nirvana came along ... about dance music it at the end of the 90s before Music Sounds Better With You and Cafe Del Mar came along.

I think there's always new ground to be broken artistically, its just nearly impossible to see what it is before it happens. Takes an artistic visionary or someone with a lot of talent to get there. But I agree, we do seem to be in a bit of a long lull at the moment though ... the charts and pop music generally is in a pretty dire state right now.

I believe we'll see some new movements and sub-genres though. Would be fantastic to see Madonna lead the charge on something!

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Reply #73 posted 07/24/18 9:17am

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I just hope she makes a song called "Aploogize" now after seeing this thread day after day.

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She could it rhyme it with splooge and deluge and rouge.

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Reply #74 posted 07/24/18 10:49am

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What do you think the next tour will be like? Will it still be an arena tour or the smaller venue intimate thing she has talked about?

This is probably a minority opinion but I like the way her last couple of tours are with the mix between newer and older songs and how she blends her past with her present. I like how she tries to reinvent older songs although not all of the reinventions always work, but at least she tries to be creative.

I think a lot of people probably want her to do a more traditional greatest hits tour where she just plays the hits like the original versions. I'm sure she will be pressured into doing that by promoters or whoever, but I hope she resists and sticks to her vision. I know a lot of people like that, but I find 80s artists who do that kind of tiresome.

One of my favorite parts of the last tour was when she did True Blue on the ukulele. I wish she could dig up a few slightly forgotten hits like that instead of the obvious ones. She has a lot of hits but people tend to remember certain ones more than others, usually the ones that had memorable videos.

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Reply #75 posted 07/24/18 2:54pm

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DaveT said:

SoulAlive said:

The thing is....I don't really think that there is any way that Madonna can be "ahead of the curve",musically.There's no more ground to be broken.She's a pop/dance artist and there just really isn't anything new,bold or groundbreaking going on in that genre.I hate to say this,but music is pretty much at a standstill right now and it's been this way for at least the last ten years or so.The only thing I expect from Madonna (and any other veteran artists that I like) is simply a good album.I don't expect it to be some big,epic,groundbreaking album that totally reinvents the wheel,lol.


They said that about pop at the end of the 70s/early 80s before rap and "r'n'b" came along ... about rock at the end of the 80s before Nirvana came along ... about dance music it at the end of the 90s before Music Sounds Better With You and Cafe Del Mar came along.

I think there's always new ground to be broken artistically, its just nearly impossible to see what it is before it happens. Takes an artistic visionary or someone with a lot of talent to get there. But I agree, we do seem to be in a bit of a long lull at the moment though ... the charts and pop music generally is in a pretty dire state right now.

I believe we'll see some new movements and sub-genres though. Would be fantastic to see Madonna lead the charge on something!

come on,man...it's 2018 lol No one is doing anything new,bold,or unique anymore.It's unrealistic to expect a 60-year old veteran artist to break new ground.I understand that,for much of her career,Madonna has been known as pop's Wonder Woman (lol) but we can't expect her to break new ground these days.

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Reply #76 posted 07/24/18 2:56pm

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What do you think the next tour will be like? Will it still be an arena tour or the smaller venue intimate thing she has talked about?

This is probably a minority opinion but I like the way her last couple of tours are with the mix between newer and older songs and how she blends her past with her present. I like how she tries to reinvent older songs although not all of the reinventions always work, but at least she tries to be creative.

I think a lot of people probably want her to do a more traditional greatest hits tour where she just plays the hits like the original versions. I'm sure she will be pressured into doing that by promoters or whoever, but I hope she resists and sticks to her vision. I know a lot of people like that, but I find 80s artists who do that kind of tiresome.

One of my favorite parts of the last tour was when she did True Blue on the ukulele. I wish she could dig up a few slightly forgotten hits like that instead of the obvious ones. She has a lot of hits but people tend to remember certain ones more than others, usually the ones that had memorable videos.

honestly,this time around I'd like her to do a fun greatest hits tour.It's long overdue.

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Reply #77 posted 07/24/18 3:39pm

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honestly,this time around I'd like her to do a fun greatest hits tour.It's long overdue.

I don't! I told you I had a minority opinion. She has toured frequently and most of her biggest hits she has done multiple times albeit not all in the same show. Can you think of one really big hit she hasn't done?

I'm sure she will feel pressured by fans and promoters to do that, but I hope she resists it. She would be just like all the older artists then.

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Reply #78 posted 07/24/18 5:09pm

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SoulAlive said:







honestly,this time around I'd like her to do a fun greatest hits tour.It's long overdue.




I don't! I told you I had a minority opinion. She has toured frequently and most of her biggest hits she has done multiple times albeit not all in the same show. Can you think of one really big hit she hasn't done?


I'm sure she will feel pressured by fans and promoters to do that, but I hope she resists it. She would be just like all the older artists then.




Yes,she has added a lot of old songs to her recent tours,but what about “Angel”,”Causing A Commotion”,”Live To Tell”,”Keep It Together”,”Cherish”,”Take A Bow”,”The Power Of Goodbye” and numerous other hits? A greatest hits tour would finally give her the chance to perform those songs again.Most fans would disagree with me,but I think it’s time for Madonna to reflect on her awesome career and rest on her laurels for awhile....celebrate her past.Esrlier in this thread,I mentioned that she should write her autobiography.How cool would it be if she followed it with a fun greatest hits tour?
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Reply #79 posted 07/24/18 5:19pm

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‘Madonna- Into The Music’ World Tour 2019- An Evening With The Queen’

a greatest hits show that will leave you breathless!
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Reply #80 posted 07/24/18 5:20pm

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^^ that’s kinda what I have in mind smile
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Reply #81 posted 07/24/18 7:02pm

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I’m always excited about new Madonna music,but I was kinda hoping that she would take some time off to reflect on her life and write her autobiography....rest on her laurels a bit,ya know.I feel like she’s one of the last truly iconic superstars that is still alive.Her story needs to finally be told.

yeahthat and Barbra Streisand's autobiograhy as well biggrin

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Reply #82 posted 07/24/18 7:08pm

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SoulAlive said:

Glindathegood said:

Yes,she has added a lot of old songs to her recent tours,but what about “Angel”,”Causing A Commotion”,”Live To Tell”,”Keep It Together”,”Cherish”,”Take A Bow”,”The Power Of Goodbye” and numerous other hits? A greatest hits tour would finally give her the chance to perform those songs again.Most fans would disagree with me,but I think it’s time for Madonna to reflect on her awesome career and rest on her laurels for awhile....celebrate her past.Esrlier in this thread,I mentioned that she should write her autobiography.How cool would it be if she followed it with a fun greatest hits tour?

I said big hits. Most of those are more minor hits. Live to Tell was performed on Confessions, Take A Bow on the Asian dates of Rebel Heart.

Madonna didn't get where she was by resting on her laurels.

I would like her to write an autobiography, but she has always been a bit more private especially about her personal life. I don't know if she would want her kids to know some of her more personal things especially as they are relatively young.

Evening with the Queen just sounds so big headed. Yes, sometimes she may call herself a Queen kind of jokingly, but overall I think she keeps the ego thing under control. I doubt you will find a global superstar as relatively down to earth as she is. It's like sometimes she doesn't realize what an amazing unique artist she is. I actually love that about her.

Celebrating herself and resting on her laurels has the potential to come off as too egotistical and blowing your own horn in an obvious tacky way.

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Reply #83 posted 07/25/18 12:42am

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regarding a new album.. i hope i will love it.. people bag on her (especially on prince.org sometimes!) but she is incredible... she always has a strong concept, a clear POV and it is usually perfectly exectuted.

i mean, she tops her debut with like a virgin. she tops like a virgin with true blue.

she tops true blue with like a prayer and then tops everything with VOGUE!

then just when she is down for the count.. Ray of Light...

her run was unbeliveable and whether or not you like her... you have GOT to respect her longevity..

ok.. new album - please more songs like the song Rebel Heart - why wasnt that a single???

less songs with rappers, havent we suffered enough?

TOUR - she should really pull out some deeper, lesser known tracks that her more hardcore fans love.. not just deep 'hits'... for example.. give us PROMISE TO TRY! could you imagine if she whipped that out??

and maybe .. should it not be so 'conceptual' .. like a gypsy inspired section, a 50's inspired section, a last supper inspired section......

can it just be a string of awesome songs held together by great choreography rather than a forced theme?

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Reply #84 posted 07/25/18 1:19am

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Glindathegood said:

SoulAlive said:

Glindathegood said: Yes,she has added a lot of old songs to her recent tours,but what about “Angel”,”Causing A Commotion”,”Live To Tell”,”Keep It Together”,”Cherish”,”Take A Bow”,”The Power Of Goodbye” and numerous other hits? A greatest hits tour would finally give her the chance to perform those songs again.Most fans would disagree with me,but I think it’s time for Madonna to reflect on her awesome career and rest on her laurels for awhile....celebrate her past.Earlier in this thread,I mentioned that she should write her autobiography.How cool would it be if she followed it with a fun greatest hits tour?

I said big hits. Most of those are more minor hits. Live to Tell was performed on Confessions, Take A Bow on the Asian dates of Rebel Heart.

Madonna didn't get where she was by resting on her laurels.

I would like her to write an autobiography, but she has always been a bit more private especially about her personal life. I don't know if she would want her kids to know some of her more personal things especially as they are relatively young.

Evening with the Queen just sounds so big headed. Yes, sometimes she may call herself a Queen kind of jokingly, but overall I think she keeps the ego thing under control. I doubt you will find a global superstar as relatively down to earth as she is. It's like sometimes she doesn't realize what an amazing unique artist she is. I actually love that about her.

Celebrating herself and resting on her laurels has the potential to come off as too egotistical and blowing your own horn in an obvious tacky way.

Remember last year or so when some Hollywood studio bought the rights to a Madonna biopic that would focus on her early years in New York? She was pissed about it.I believe that if she herself would write her biography,Hollywood would be very interested in turning it into a major motion picture.That's why I want her to tell her story now....before someone else tries to tell it.Her story is very interesting and deserves to be told properly...by HER....the sooner,the better.

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I disagree.At this point,Madonna deserves the chance to celebrate herself and her accomplishments.She's worked so hard for all of these years....one of the few 80s superstars who is still releasing new music and doing big tours on a regular basis.She truly has nothing to prove.I'd like her to oversee remasters of classic albums like Like A Prayer and possibly put together a career-spanning box set...along with the autobiography,of course smile it's not tacky or egotistical to do these things.Sadly,I feel that Prince didn't take the time to do these things and now it's all being done,but he's not around to be a part of it confused

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Celebrating herself and resting on her laurels has the potential to come off as too egotistical and blowing your own horn in an obvious tacky way.

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DaveT said:


They said that about pop at the end of the 70s/early 80s before rap and "r'n'b" came along ... about rock at the end of the 80s before Nirvana came along ... about dance music it at the end of the 90s before Music Sounds Better With You and Cafe Del Mar came along.

I think there's always new ground to be broken artistically, its just nearly impossible to see what it is before it happens. Takes an artistic visionary or someone with a lot of talent to get there. But I agree, we do seem to be in a bit of a long lull at the moment though ... the charts and pop music generally is in a pretty dire state right now.

I believe we'll see some new movements and sub-genres though. Would be fantastic to see Madonna lead the charge on something!

come on,man...it's 2018 lol No one is doing anything new,bold,or unique anymore.It's unrealistic to expect a 60-year old veteran artist to break new ground.I understand that,for much of her career,Madonna has been known as pop's Wonder Woman (lol) but we can't expect her to break new ground these days.


Pushing aside the argument that no music has ever been truly "new" and has always leaned on what has gone before ... I'm still finding new stuff these days. I mentioned previously synthwave as an example; the influences are there for sure, early 80s particularly, but a lot of it is unlike anything I've heard before, at least in the way it makes me feel when I listen to it.

Granted you have to dig a bit deeper, with music spread across so many different platforms now; the old days of just turn on the radio or go to a gig to find it have long gone. But its out there. Maybe you need to invest in a better shovel? biggrin

And I believe great artists can do amazing things, regardless of age ... look what Johnny Cash did in his autumn years. Is it likely to happen with Madonna, no, we'll like get another MDNA or Rebel Heart ... but does she have the ability to do it, yes I believe she can.

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SoulAlive said:

I disagree.At this point,Madonna deserves the chance to celebrate herself and her accomplishments.She's worked so hard for all of these years....one of the few 80s superstars who is still releasing new music and doing big tours on a regular basis.She truly has nothing to prove.I'd like her to oversee remasters of classic albums like Like A Prayer and possibly put together a career-spanning box set...along with the autobiography,of course smile it's not tacky or egotistical to do these things.Sadly,I feel that Prince didn't take the time to do these things and now it's all being done,but he's not around to be a part of it confused

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Celebrating herself and resting on her laurels has the potential to come off as too egotistical and blowing your own horn in an obvious tacky way.

Dude, a remaster of Like A Prayer is waaaaaaay overdue! I was gutted when her remasters stopped at True Blue and when the LAP 25th anniversary went by in 2014 without anything.

30th anniversary next year ... fingers and toes crossed!

Having seen Madonna live more than any other artist, my preference for her tours is new music and rare stuff with a sprinkling of hits. I've seen her perform Hung Up and Music more times than I can count! lol ... having said that, a greatest hits show would be pretty amazing to. I'd like to see it done chronologically, starting with the recent hits and working her way back to a finale of her original stuff...

... but only as long as she doesn't then turn in to one of those god awful "heritage" acts like The Rolling Stones who spend the rest of their careers living on past glories.

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Dude, a remaster of Like A Prayer is waaaaaaay overdue! I was gutted when her remasters stopped at True Blue and when the LAP 25th anniversary went by in 2014 without anything.

30th anniversary next year ... fingers and toes crossed!

Having seen Madonna live more than any other artist, my preference for her tours is new music and rare stuff with a sprinkling of hits. I've seen her perform Hung Up and Music more times than I can count! lol ... having said that, a greatest hits show would be pretty amazing to. I'd like to see it done chronologically, starting with the recent hits and working her way back to a finale of her original stuff...

... but only as long as she doesn't then turn in to one of those god awful "heritage" acts like The Rolling Stones who spend the rest of their careers living on past glories.

A lot of fans get really excited about remasters. I'm not an audophile or a collector so it doesn't excite me in the same way. I was wondering though are there songs from the LAP session that were never released or haven't been heard? For me to be excited about buying an anniversary edition, it would have to have something I don't already have like previously unheard tracks, new pictures or maybe some liner notes written by her. Something.

I personally like a balance between hits and newer stuff. A rare sprinkling would not be enough, but a greatest hits with no new stuff would be too far in the opposite direction.

She has played Music a lot, but actually Hung Up not so often. I think that would be a great song to do on her next tour.

I don't think I would like chronological. That way you would always know what's coming next so it takes away the surprise element. That's why I never liked it when artists play their whole albums from beginning to end. I like how she does themes so I think if she did do a greatest hits tour it should have themes like her regular tours.

Totally agreed, I don't want her to be a heritage act like the Stones.

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DaveT said:

Dude, a remaster of Like A Prayer is waaaaaaay overdue! I was gutted when her remasters stopped at True Blue and when the LAP 25th anniversary went by in 2014 without anything.

30th anniversary next year ... fingers and toes crossed!

Having seen Madonna live more than any other artist, my preference for her tours is new music and rare stuff with a sprinkling of hits. I've seen her perform Hung Up and Music more times than I can count! lol ... having said that, a greatest hits show would be pretty amazing to. I'd like to see it done chronologically, starting with the recent hits and working her way back to a finale of her original stuff...

... but only as long as she doesn't then turn in to one of those god awful "heritage" acts like The Rolling Stones who spend the rest of their careers living on past glories.

A lot of fans get really excited about remasters. I'm not an audophile or a collector so it doesn't excite me in the same way. I was wondering though are there songs from the LAP session that were never released or haven't been heard? For me to be excited about buying an anniversary edition, it would have to have something I don't already have like previously unheard tracks, new pictures or maybe some liner notes written by her. Something.

I personally like a balance between hits and newer stuff. A rare sprinkling would not be enough, but a greatest hits with no new stuff would be too far in the opposite direction.

She has played Music a lot, but actually Hung Up not so often. I think that would be a great song to do on her next tour.

I don't think I would like chronological. That way you would always know what's coming next so it takes away the surprise element. That's why I never liked it when artists play their whole albums from beginning to end. I like how she does themes so I think if she did do a greatest hits tour it should have themes like her regular tours.

Totally agreed, I don't want her to be a heritage act like the Stones.


Yes, there's a couple of LAP cuts that could be dusted off and added, like Love Attack and First There's A Kiss, but we're not talking Prince levels of unreleased material. There's tons of fantastic remixes though that came out on the various singles ... the best of these could easily make a second disc.

Re. Hung Up I saw it couple times on Confessions Tour, Live Earth, Radio One Big Weekend, Sticky & Sweet Tour ... so by the time of MDNA Tour I was praying she'd drop it.

Point taken on a chronological show, would actually be a bit predictable I guess.

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